COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[kaz7]

Certainly nowhere near their summer levels but still hot enough in comparison to the UK I'd have thought. They're saying that Latin America is believed to be the epicentre just now and its 28degrees in rio and 34 in La Paz.

Might be something to it and might not, just playing devil's advocate to an extent.

Brazil is getting battered so I am not sure temperature really comes into it,it is more that nobody has immunuty

 

[kaz7]

A hospital patient being discharged to a care home had their notes scribbled out and altered with regards to their covid status,you are not allowed to do either

 

[kaz7]

Daily briefing

Total tests 3,231,921

Last 24hrs 140,497

Positives 254,195

Inpatients 9,307

Deaths in all setting,positive tests 36,393

Up 351


Public health restrictions at borders,to prevent a second wave and spread the virus,14 day quarantine ,following the science as to when to do it,this is the right time to find imported cases,from 8th June ,some exemptions,didn't say what (football maybe)spot checks to make sure they are isolating,1,000 fine and maybe prosecutions

Review every three weeks

Border force chap,still bringing brits home,they are seizing lots of drugs and some guns,bogus covid tests and face masks and other criminal acts

Exempt groups includes,haulage,medical ,foreign officials,irish travellers,full list will be published in a minute

People wanting to come here have to fill out forms with why they want to come,contact details,where they are going to be staying etc

They can refuse entry to the country


Medical

R number is currently 0.7-1

0.25%,about 137,000 had covid 4th-17th may

Inpatients,coming down

Critical care patients coming down slowly in some areas,down overall

Deaths,confirmed ,still coming down

Social distancing compliance is still good over all

 

[stonerblue]

I'm not talking about that, i'm saying what is the point of discussing data that is not current in relation to making decisions for right now? We are over 2 months into this now, there is AI and data manipulation software out there than can speed things up, so what is the reason for the time lag? There must be a legitimate reason.

Did you see the young kid who developed an interactive map for Singapore? Did it in his bedroom.
https://privacyinternational.org/ex...plots-locations-singaporean-covid-19-patients

 

[twosips]

This is very interesting. Shows once again that many people are fighting this off without antibodies. It suggests that seroprevalence antibody studies that imply only as low as 5% of the UK have had the virus aren't showing the whole picture and it could be higher. The idea is that people don't need antibodies to fight it off, and their body's t-cells are enough to give them relative immunity/safety from it again. We don't know for certain of course though, but fingers crossed it will provide some immunity *and* it has spread more than we realise, which would be a good thing.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Is there anyone that can explain this:

"There is a time lag in the data though, with the R number released today relating to what was happening two to three weeks ago."

I understand they say you can have symptoms anywhere up to 14 days, but the number for most people is generally less. How can you make a decision for the now when your data is not current? The R number could fucking be anything right now..

The R rate is being determined from a number of sources. One being hospital admissions and another being the randomised ONS weekly sampling data that reports over the previous 2 weeks. Other sources are included, but it has not been made public.

 

[kaz7]

Questions

Guidance for couples who have weddings booked ? Not encouraging gatherings yet

When will dentists open ? Being looked at carefully

Media

Holidays? Not now,only essential travel

Schools? They are open for kids of key workers and vulnerable kids,scientific advice is kids are very low risk for covid,opening does put pressure on the R,as does any contact ,class size and contact is important but not a big risk overall

Schools fully up and running in sept? Government will decide but the lower we get infections down,bring in testing and tracking ,arrangement for social distancing,hygiene measures must remain,all have to be considered,covid is not a short term problem

French travellers coming in? Supply of goods and Medical can come

Getting aviation moving again? Going to take time,

Why are we waiting till June to bring in quarantine ? Not really answered

Where do people stay to isolate for 14days? They must have accommodation ,if not we will provide it at their expense

British closed for business? We are not closing the borders,key industries like transport etc will continue

Testing question for travels in ? Might have a negative test so you might not catch it

Antibody testing,vast majority produce antibodies,but more research into immunity or the ability to spread the virus,immunity passports are not in the agenda

Foreign key workers,give them British citizen ship ? Immigration system is complex,everything under review

Give automatic extensions to all key workers and not just nurses and drs ? everything under review

Controlling crowds at beauty spots ? Enjoy being outside but it is conditional on following the rules,local councils are in control

Remembering Manchester bombing and Lee Rigby murdered on this day

 

[Saddleworth2]

This is very interesting. Shows once again that many people are fighting this off without antibodies. It suggests that seroprevalence antibody studies that imply only as low as 5% of the UK have had the virus aren't showing the whole picture and it could be higher. The idea is that people don't need antibodies to fight it off, and their body's t-cells are enough to give them relative immunity/safety from it again. We don't know for certain of course though, but fingers crossed it will provide some immunity *and* it has spread more than we realise, which would be a good thing.

You are turning into an expert :-)

 

[mat]

Can Priti Patel sound any more patronising?

 

[kaz7]

This is very interesting. Shows once again that many people are fighting this off without antibodies. It suggests that seroprevalence antibody studies that imply only as low as 5% of the UK have had the virus aren't showing the whole picture and it could be higher. The idea is that people don't need antibodies to fight it off, and their body's t-cells are enough to give them relative immunity/safety from it again. We don't know for certain of course though, but fingers crossed it will provide some immunity *and* it has spread more than we realise, which would be a good thing.

They just said in the briefing the vast majority are producing antibodies so I would say that is more about the testing,i have read some fight it off without out but don't know how significant it is numbers wise also 0.25 % here had the virus in the last two weeks,that is a steady number,very small

 

[kaz7]

Well there's 27k in England and we are over 2/3 of the way through May averaging around 350 a day. At that rate you were closer to there being no deaths than your prediction.

36,393 ,UK in all settings,only those tested positive,ONS suggest 50,000 excess deaths

 

[gingerprince]

Can Priti Patel sound any more patronising?

She probably trains everyday to improve on this, so, unbelievably, she may get even better at it...

However, if asked about patronising she may not understand fully as she drops the g vocally......

Its controllin the virus, understandin the science, rampin it up....

 

[Vic]

Can Priti Patel sound any more patronising?

Can someone explain how quarantine for inbound travellers is now worthwhile because the peak of transmission is past and it wasn't worthwhile when infection was at its peak? More to the point, why didn't they impose quarantine when they reckoned there was no community transmission - i.e. as stated in the guidance for not locking down care homes?

 

[Blue Maverick]

Loads of shops are open now.

Mate not that many

 

[Blue Maverick]

Can someone explain how quarantine for inbound travellers is now worthwhile because the peak of transmission is past and it wasn't worthwhile when infection was at its peak? More to the point, why didn't they impose quarantine when they reckoned there was no community transmission - i.e. as stated in the guidance for not locking down care homes?

Cause they are fucking idiots

 

[mat]

She probably trains everyday to improve on this, so, unbelievably, she may get even better at it...

However, if asked about patronising she may not understand fully as she drops the g vocally......

Its controllin the virus, understandin the science, rampin it up....

She reminds me of hyacinth bucket.

It's like she's trying to sound posher than she is. A couple of times her accent dropped into estuary Essex. I'd believe her more if she did as I could see her standing there and when a journalist asks her about her visitors policy saying "Am I bovvered"

 

[blueparrot]

Can someone explain how quarantine for inbound travellers is now worthwhile because the peak of transmission is past and it wasn't worthwhile when infection was at its peak? More to the point, why didn't they impose quarantine when they reckoned there was no community transmission - i.e. as stated in the guidance for not locking down care homes?

Makes sense to me, when it was peaking not many were coming in and any carrying would make little difference to the speed of spread.Now it’s reducing and restrictions lifted more want to travel and could kick it off again. My only issue is I doubt they can keep quarantine in place for too long, by August September thing pressure of people wanting to travel, for business or leisure along with the travel industry will force a rethink on it. Not to mention policing it.

 

[BlueAnorak]

A hospital patient being discharged to a care home had their notes scribbled out and altered with regards to their covid status,you are not allowed to do either

That's beucracray trying to hit their targets for you.

 

[gingerprince]

Govt quick to explain entry quarantine not beneficial/worth it when we were experiencing peak, as visitors lower than usual and any infectious entrants not going to significantly uplift overall numbers.

They are adamant its critically important now, as our numbers now significantly reduced from peak, so any new infectious people arriving could uplift our reduced numbers by significant percentage. However, they also stress that UK entrant numbers are currently 99% less of precovid19..

However, the bigger question is, if its critically important when our infection numbers are low, as in now. Why wasnt it implemented when Boris was still shaking hands with everyone in the hospital, when our numbers were negligible, particularly as number of UK entrants at that point was still close to normal...eg huge in comparison to now

 

[vincent]

Makes sense to me, when it was peaking not many were coming in and any carrying would make little difference to the speed of spread.Now it’s reducing and restrictions lifted more want to travel and could kick it off again. My only issue is I doubt they can keep quarantine in place for too long, by August September thing pressure of people wanting to travel, for business or leisure along with the travel industry will force a rethink on it. Not to mention policing it.

Well, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that The countries that have a degree of control over this closed their borders (or at least had strict controls in place) relatively early, unlike the UK.