COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[andyhinch]

Would be a real shame if you no longer felt like contributing.

I agree though that the petty arguments are getting a bit much in this thread, and are spoiling it for many of us.

As a word of warning for those responsible, people derailing the thread in this way will be thread banned moving forward.

Well said mate, some of just want to read an informed post and Hp does it very well

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Chutchlawton blue I did explain what I meant by what I said and have tried not to push a positive or negative spin as I do not have any agenda - just my own personal reaction to the data.

I genuinely have no hidden meanings in what I say. As with the case numbers. Any reading of my posts will show I have been pro and anti different ideas and plans at different times as I react to what I see. And that I was well aware of why the number of positive cases are higher now than they were months ago because of the % of testing positive. It is easy to fid how many times I have stressed that number as important.

There is nothing I can do if you choose to read what I said as having forgotten sonething I certainly hadn't. But I am of course aware that some come here for a battle over strategies and theories.

That is fine and I read those posts with some inrerest too. But I have no desire to do that personally.

So I will tone down any personal opinions if it is seen as putting spin on figures that is something I would not wish to do. And I avoid forums because I do not like confrontations and argumenta. It is just not who I am.

I purposefully never went out of my way to clarifying the he/she thing (though some knew it via PMs as they asked).

But it impacts how people judge what you say and it is a totally natural thing to presume on a football forum (why I am here is a whole other question that some know as I told them and will clarify if anybody cares enough to ask in here).

I really do just want to post the data. And right now that seems the best plan as I do not want to trigger a war between factions on here. Though I dare say I will find it hard not to add trends and patterns in the reports but that is what they will be. Not me trying to score points.

So please all of you just carry on posting your own opinions. I listen and they help inform me too.

Nobody has upset me. I don't want anyone to quit. Disagreement is good. It is step one on the road to consensus.

You keep posting just the way you do healdplace. Makes no difference to me whether you are a man or a woman, but apologies for the assumption. Like I have said several times I like reading your posts. I come on here for the debate only, I often try and look at things from a different angle that's all but often end up crossing swords with a few, including Kaz but is absolutely nothing personal as I like her too. These days I am also quite apolitical having been disenchanted with successive governments, so I find that helps with a different way of looking at things. I am also fully aware of how dangerous this disease is sadly we lost a very close family member to it in the spring, I found out today my Daughter at Uni also now has it sadly. Cheers

 

[xgorton]

We have a twat just like Trump in charge,so it's going to be a very long journey with lies lies and more lies.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Would be a real shame if you no longer felt like contributing.

I agree though that the petty arguments are getting a bit much in this thread, and are spoiling it for many of us.

As a word of warning for those responsible, people derailing the thread in this way will be thread banned moving forward.

Point taken Ric.

 

[mosssideblue]

I must admit there was a young mum and a late teenage daughter at the petrol station yesterday and they were crowding me , neither wore masks , i asked them to move away and buy a pack of masks , i got a gob full but not the words we are excempt etc , some people are just twats

I appreciate there are people who a) bluntly refuse to wear masks and b) claim exemption falsely. I assume you were passive and not aggressive in your approach to that woman and her response was totally unjustified.

There was a poster though giving it large saying he would rip into anyone he came across not wearing a mask in public. That is stupid

 

[bluejon]

You have flat out said they are wrong numerous times, you have done so from the very beginning. If you are an expert on data analysis then that means you are a expert on data analysis. You are not an expert on viruses in anyway shape or form and you telling the scientists they are wrong should be taken with the same amount of credibility as other science deniers. This thread like threads on most social media platforms has been took over by people like you and truebullshit69 pretending they are arsed about suicides and jobs, i see through you all. Noticed some of you are now starting to turn on Healdplace just for posting factual figures. It's what your type do. Truth is that most normal posters have long since left this thread and it's just become a place for deniers like you to shout everybody down and form an echo chamber. I know you will post some overly incredulous shite in response but like i said, i see through you.

I have flat out said the imperial college model is wrong because it is. What has happened is not what the model has said. That is not up for debate in my eyes.

I have never turned on healdplace at all and have in fact had some really good private message chats with that poster. As for you 'seeing through me', you're adding 1+1 and coming out with about 200.

As for 'pretending to care about suicide and jobs'..... fuck me. It's entirely possible that I have lost a close friend during this as a result of suicide, and it's entirely possible that friends are losing their jobs left right and centre and i'm deeply worried for them. I'm also worried about people getting this virus. And this terminology of me being 'denier' i'm actually finding slightly disturbing. I am a scientist who works with healthcare data. We are discussing healthcare data. With my qualifications I could've gone to work in pretty much any industry sector I wish but because I have a moral centre I decided to go with healthcare/medicine. I thought being on here would provide something different and I don't need posts like this chatting absolute shite.

 

[Scottyboi]

 

[Healdplace]

Can I clarify I have no problems whatsoever with churchlawton blue or bluejon or any other person on here. I read their views with interest and they inform me too. So I don't want anyone thinking they are driving me off.

They would not be.

This is a discussion forum. It should discuss. There will be disagreements and differing views. That is inevitable - especially with a topic like this where nobody really has the answers and much of it is opinion.

I have other reasons that some know on here why I am posting with discretion. It has nothing at all to do with posters with a differing opinion. Or me not liking being shouted at that. I am very used to that in the real world.

I just came here to post data. So am happy to keep doing that.

 

[Len Rum]

Chutchlawton blue I did explain what I meant by what I said and have tried not to push a positive or negative spin as I do not have any agenda - just my own personal reaction to the data.

I genuinely have no hidden meanings in what I say. As with the case numbers. Any reading of my posts will show I have been pro and anti different ideas and plans at different times as I react to what I see. And that I was well aware of why the number of positive cases are higher now than they were months ago because of the % of testing positive. It is easy to fid how many times I have stressed that number as important.

There is nothing I can do if you choose to read what I said as having forgotten sonething I certainly hadn't. But I am of course aware that some come here for a battle over strategies and theories.

That is fine and I read those posts with some inrerest too. But I have no desire to do that personally.

So I will tone down any personal opinions if it is seen as putting spin on figures that is something I would not wish to do. And I avoid forums because I do not like confrontations and argumenta. It is just not who I am.

I purposefully never went out of my way to clarifying the he/she thing (though some knew it via PMs as they asked).

But it impacts how people judge what you say and it is a totally natural thing to presume on a football forum (why I am here is a whole other question that some know as I told them and will clarify if anybody cares enough to ask in here).

I really do just want to post the data. And right now that seems the best plan as I do not want to trigger a war between factions on here. Though I dare say I will find it hard not to add trends and patterns in the reports but that is what they will be. Not me trying to score points.

So please all of you just carry on posting your own opinions. I listen and they help inform me too.

Nobody has upset me. I don't want anyone to quit. Disagreement is good. It is step one on the road to consensus.

Please carry on with the figures mate AND the comments ( they're about as neutral as could be).
It's a lot of work and commitment.
I appreciate it.
I'm sure many others do.

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital data - another 190 added into hospital today. Total 2783.

A week ago was 1881. So 902 added in seven days.

Ventilators are up 18 in the day to 349.

It was 259 seven days ago. So up 90 in the week.

 

[shemnel]

for clarity: are mechanical ventilator stats and ICU stats reported separately? or is one the other?

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Will it really just disappear if there was a full two week lockdown though?
We had a longer one in March and it is still here.
And I do realise certain groups and communities didn't adhere to the lockdown then, but then there is nothing to guarantee the same will a second time round...

Don’t remember ports and airports being shut down.

 

[kaz7]

I appreciate there are people who a) bluntly refuse to wear masks and b) claim exemption falsely. I assume you were passive and not aggressive in your approach to that woman and her response was totally unjustified.

There was a poster though giving it large saying he would rip into anyone he came across not wearing a mask in public. That is stupid

I asked politely , i am in no fit state for a brawl lol

 

[bluemoon32]

But my point being why should someone take abuse for not wearing one, when there may be a valid reason. too many gungho wanting to mouth off at people

But i didn't say that, i said the shops should police it, anyone ( without a health certificate) who isn't wearing a mask should be stopped from entering the shop.
The problem is, too many think any rules don't apply to them but these people are cnuts anyway and not just during this covid thing

 

[kaz7]

for clarity: are mechanical ventilator stats and ICU stats reported separately? or is one the other?

Ventilators are seperate to the rest in intensive care

 

[Healdplace]

London patients down 6 to 306 (was 263 a week ago) Ventilators up 4 to 60. (was 50 a week ago)

Midlands patients up 15 to 464 (was 356 a week ago) Ventilators up 1 to 71 (was 52 a week ago)

Yorks/NE patients up 67 to 723 (was 426 a week ago) Ventilators up 5 to 81 (was 57 a week ago)

And North West:

Patients up 107 to 996 (was 612 a week ago Ventilatiors up 4 to 108 (was 82 a week ago)

Last time the NW had that many of ventilators was 26 May and patients 8 June.


As you can see the NW still carrying the brunt of these increases. And ventilator numbers still rising despite the highest region for the UK hospital deaths in the past week being the NW.

84 of the 220 deaths in the past 6 days in England hospitals have been from the NW.

 

[shemnel]

Ventilators are seperate to the rest in intensive care

thanks, do you know if ICU stats are produced at all? in the same way hospital admissions and ventilated patient stats are

 

[inchy14]

How is talking about a more balanced approach to public health and not just having a single focus ‘all kinds of crap’? I was merely saying that there are other illnesses that are shit a long time later.

Let’s look at late effects from cancer treatment, assuming you’ve been lucky enough to get treated over the last six months.

Late effects are side effects that:

• begin during or shortly after treatment and do not go away within 6 months – they can become permanent and are sometimes called long-term effects
• do not affect you during treatment but begin months or even years after your treatment ends.

Lymphedema
Radiotherapy or surgery to lymph nodes may cause a swelling called lymphoedema. Lymphoedema usually affects an arm or a leg, but can also affect other parts of the body. If you notice any swelling, always ask your doctor or nurse to check it. The earlier lymphoedema is diagnosed, the easier it is to manage.

Effects on your heart
Certain cancer treatments may increase the risk of different types of heart problems in the future. Many people who have these drugs or treatments do not develop any heart problems. You can ask your doctor or nurse if there is a possible risk of this late effect with the treatment you have had.

Effects on the bones
Hormonal therapy drugs can increase the risk of bone thinning (osteoporosis) and fractures. Having pelvic radiotherapy may also increase the risk of getting small fractures in the pelvis.

Effects on the head and neck
Radiotherapy to the head and neck can cause late effects. For example, it can cause a dry mouth because you have less saliva or saliva may be stickier. Some people may lose their sense of taste. Using a sodium bicarbonate mouthwash may help clear thick saliva. Both surgery and radiotherapy can affect both eating and speech.

Effects on the bowel and bladder
Radiotherapy to the lower tummy area (pelvis) can cause late effects of the bowel and bladder. Some people may have changes of bowel habit such as diarrhoea or constipation. Effects on the bladder can mean you need to pass urine (pee) more often and some people may get some leakage.

Of course these late effects assume your cured and don’t mention immediate effects of treatment like no immune system, burns, impotence, hair loss, loss of appetite, nausea and vomiting, incontinence, bleeding, anaemia and many others.
If you’re not cured, you become one of the 460 daily cancer deaths, every day, of every year..

She’s gone on my ignore list, nothing you say is listened to, she’s had COVID, it’s the worst thing ever and we must deal with it over everything else.

 

[kaz7]

thanks, do you know if ICU stats are produced at all? in the same way hospital admissions and ventilated patient stats are

In scotland they do , not sure about england @Healdplace will know

 

[Healdplace]

Ventilators are seperate to the rest in intensive care

Correct the data I give here are only from people on ventilators with a positive Covid test.

I am sure NHS England has ICU stats separate from patients with Covid.

But they do not put these on the Covid data bases for obvious reasons.

Northern Ireland does do this and today reports:

93 total icu beds

13 occupied by covid patients

60 other icu occupied

20 icu beds unoccupied

45 ventilated patients on icu

8 with proven covid diagnosis and 37 without.

If that helps.