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Sorry, I can't copy and paste on this. Telegraph website from 3rd November had article on whether ICU beds are close to capacity or not.
 
cleavers said:
Surely though, it only puts those not having the vaccine at risk ?

How am I more at risk, if I'm vaccinated ? (Obviously it could wear off over time.)
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The vaccine is not 100% effective

There are groups of people who cannot be vaccinated ( immuno suppressed for instance)

Some people, inevitably will end up being missed.

Etc
 
inchy14 said:
Fair enough, I’ve not actually bothered with that one at all.
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As I said earlier today covid is apolitical, it's affecting governments right, left, and centre much the same (even dictatorships where you can be locked in).

Your post earlier today was spot on with what should happen in an ideal world, and if every country had adapted that method in late winter/early spring, we might never have even needed a vaccine, and could have had a shorter lockdown then too, but there are many reasons it simply couldn't/didn't happen, mainly we have to have, and keep an economy running.

Some of us are fortunate that our jobs could move out of the office and into our homes, and still work, it's been quite a challenge doing that for me, but I've managed it, with only occasional visits into work, but my job supports our armed forces around the world, and that support is considered essential.

Unfortunately for many others this couldn't happen (including my wife), and she was first furloughed, and is now back at work, in an industry that potentially puts her at risk of catching it, they have considerable and very cumbersome PPE to mitigate the risk, but she is also considered essential.
 
Greater Manchester scoreboard:

Manchester 249 - down from 270. Total cases 23,395. Weekly 2369. Pop score up 45 to 4232. Weekly Pop 429.

Oldham 164 - down from 188. Total cases 11,869. Weekly 1751. Pop score up 70 - most in GM today - to despite the lowish number become at 5006 GMs first 5000 club resident and second in UK behind Blackburn. Who are way out in front at 5203. Weekly Pop down 1 to 739,

164 is the lowest number to be second in GM for nearly 5 weeks.

Bolton 159 - down from 180. Total cases 12,358. Weekly 1459. Pop score up 56 to 4298. Weekly Pop down 14 to 528.

Rochdale 151 UP from 124 - rare blip today but still 80 down on 32 days ago. Total cases10, 003. Weekly 1313. Pop score up 68 to 4498. Weekly Pop UP to 591.

Wigan 133 - huge drop from 223. Lowest score here in over 3 weeks. Total cases 13, 280. Weekly 1738. Pop score up 41 to 4041. Weekly Pop down 33 to 570.

Salford 111 - down from 135. Like other GM places today lowest in a month or so. Total cases 10, 609. Weekly 1369. Pop score up 43 to 4099. Weekly Pop down 10 to 529.

Tameside 110 - UP from 88. Total cases 8469. Weekly 1023. Pop score up 48 to 3739. Weekly Pop down 5 to 451.

Trafford 110 - UP from 107. Total cases 7446 Weekly 946. Best in GM still sub 1000. But others closing in on doing so again too. Pop score up 46 to 3137. Weekly Pop up to 398.

Stockport 109 - UP from 105. Total cases 8615. Weekly 1045. Pop score up 37 - lowest in GM today. To 2936. Weekly Pop down 6 to 356. Lowest in GM. Also increased lead on overall Pop score on Trafford back over 200 to 201. Even so bad day tomorrow and it will exit the 2000s and leave GM with nobody in there.

Bury 104 - down from 121. Total cases 7860. Weekly 1067. Pop score up 54 to 4115. Weekly Pop down 10 to 558.


As you see back to bunching we used to see weeks ago with the best 5 boroughs having just 7 between them.
 
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roubaixtuesday said:
The vaccine is not 100% effective

There are groups of people who cannot be vaccinated ( immuno suppressed for instance)

Some people, inevitably will end up being missed.

Etc
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Yes I understand that, but the greatest risk is for those who don't get vaccinated, and if that is their choice it's up to them, most people who can, will, and those that can't will be extra cautious (as they already are) to avoid it.
 
blue b4 the moon said:
Haha reminds me of when I was a kid I convinced my mate that if he cut a 26.1cm piece of string, pissed on it and held it next to his ear close to the Masts on Ashton Moss he'd pickup Piccadilly radio.
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That is absolutely brilliant, and possibly the funniest post in this thread, although given the subject matter. Superb
 
cleavers said:
Yes I understand that, but the greatest risk is for those who don't get vaccinated, and if that is their choice it's up to them, most people who can, will, and those that can't will be extra cautious (as they already are) to avoid it.
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Yes, there are risks to them, but there are many risks to others too. If my son had an immuno suppressant disorder ( he doesn't) I'm not sure I'd agree that the "greatest risk " was to vaccine refusniks.
 
Shellac said:
If it's about saving lives why was it ok for 3 million cancer screenings to be cancelled between March and September?
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This is one those completely misleading ideas. Cancer and therefore the need to screen for it is a high risk to pretty much exactly the same group of people as Covid.
When the majority of those tests were not available the NHS could not protect many people form Covid it was short of PPE . If three million people are screened for cancer you may save a few thousand lives in a few years time . If 20% of Three million people get covid in that age group with comorbidities a mortality of maybe 5% You could kill thirty thousand people there and then and leave others with lungs so damaged they would be unable to be treated for cancer.

Covid will cause people to die of cancer in a few years time but screening susceptible people in the middle of a pandemic can kill more.
 
Top scorers today were Birmingham 592 (up from 529), Leeds 420 (down from 497), Bradford at 354 (down from 435) and Leicester who had 250 yesterday and 245 today - worst numbers in weeks and up there with Manchester today .

But the highest UK Pop score today was in Blackburn where its 102 cases took it to 5203.

Warrington at 66 (A third of what it was scoring) also had its best day since tier 3 came in.

And Rossendale at 18 by far its lowest in weeks where for this tiny borough it was getting 4 or 5 times that number recently.

So the NW in general seems to have fallen almost everywhere in last few days.
 
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roubaixtuesday said:
The vaccine is not 100% effective

There are groups of people who cannot be vaccinated ( immuno suppressed for instance)

Some people, inevitably will end up being missed.

Etc
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WAIT WHAT? Im on a biologic immune suppressant, can't i have a vaccine? I can have the flu jab. Can't i just have it inbetween injections?
 
Shellac said:
Sorry, I can't copy and paste on this. Telegraph website from 3rd November had article on whether ICU beds are close to capacity or not.
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If you look back at the hospital data I posted earlier I give the full details for London, NW, NE and Yorks and North West for patients, ventilator beds, numbers over past 3 days and where they all are in terms of capacity these areas reached in wave one in April.

I do this every evening.
 
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