Churchlawtonblue
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I can certainly vouch for that. They are great to work for.Yes met him a few times. Very sound man. They are good people.
I can certainly vouch for that. They are great to work for.Yes met him a few times. Very sound man. They are good people.
We do alot of work for them. They are great to work for.What do you think about Fred Done and his Salboy property arm? I was his Account Manager many years ago (when he was just North West based) and he treated me really well, not seen him for years but he is one of the most quietly determined characters I ever met, not bad for a Salford lad who started off with one betting shop in his home City.
I never once said they did. How are you interpreting it in that way? You're more intelligent than this. Don't be disingenuous man, it's unfair. I'm trying to judge based of what we categorically know, not presumptions.
My point was that they don't (currently) fall in line with the Swiss OR the UK. All we know is they're reviewing the data. They might decide they need more. They might not. Just because they haven't said anything yet it doesn't mean they have a stance either way. That's a pretty fair conclusion isn't it?
Simple question - do you think pre-existing conditions are unimportant?
You'd be breaking the 'guidance' but not the law. It's advice only not law. I live in Offerton and Poynton is only 3 miles away from me!A hypothetical question - I live in Stockport which is in Tier 3 (despite having relatively low infection rates), but Poynton, a few miles away, is in Tier 2. Would I be breaking the rules by going to a restaurant in Poynton?
the AZ vaccine is so cheap anyway. non profit.BBC 5 Live were saying there was optimism amongst the scientific community that the Oxford vaccine would be approved by Christmas. I think they are also going for EMA clearance who don’t seem to be put off by negative briefings from the States.
I think having the BioNtech / Pfizer vaccine approved puts us in a stronger position if we have to negotiate for additional vaccines, without getting exploited.
I don’t think it’s an absolute defence. They’re (the US and EU) are implying that the MHRA have cut corners. If that’s the case then fine but show us the evidence rather than spouting off. It just sounds like sour grapes to me because the UK has approved it first. Personally, if the Pfizer vaccine is good to go then I’d rather see every country get to roll it out as soon as possible rather than everyone trying to Top Trump each other. If the US and/or the EU delay their approval for too long, there will be a lot of rightfully pissed off people in those countries when they see the UK infection rates dropping as the effects of the vaccine roll out start to take holdthe absolute defence of MHRA is interesting - that's the EU and the US that have now questioned the UK's speed. Now, i dont know either way, but the jumping to the MHRA's defence is curious. But i suppose we will see in time.
This cutting corners because this vaccine has been created and approved in record time does not take into account three things that are very different this time than has ever been true:
1: A GLOBAL pandemic that became one within weeks not months or years meant almost every wealthy nation put money into this to try to save their economy from tanking. Meaning a ginormous budget never seen before.
2: A GLOBAL market for any successful vaccine that meant drug companies had a huge incentive to invest too because the rewards from global sales were gigantic unlike with a Far East virus or an African one that might never go any further.
3: The very high infectiveness of this virus and how it spread so fast taking new countries almost daily made testing and trialling much easier than with most diseases because these trials require a base limit of cases you must wait to collate - possibly for years - and if you only have to wait weeks instead of months or years to collate that data then the process is sped up in ways that it usually is not.
Not a conspiracy or corner cutting. Just a very insidious disease with a global imperative to resolve asap.