Covid 19: Sino global relations

Ban-jani said:
You’ve missed my point about the economy in China.

Like us, they didn’t act quick enough because acting would undoubtedly ruin the economy.

We waited and waited because the measures needed were very strong and economic suicide. It was hard to do whilst it wasn’t ravaging Britain.

Similarly the CCP didn’t want to kill their economy but they covered it up for weeks and weeks, burying their heads and were far more sinister in their denial.

I understand it, I just don’t forgive them for it as it will eventually cost hundreds of thousands of lives.

You’re underestimating the CCP if you think the local government covered it up over the CCP. There’s no way they didn’t know in December and there’s no way they haven’t lied, hugely, since.

I’ve no doubt the West weren’t naive and slow mate, very much so too.
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Like I said, that’s a false narrative though that doesn’t make logical sense. You’re saying they are waited and waited but they locked down their country after 17 deaths, given it originated there and so they had no other evidence to go off, that isn’t far into a virus cycle at all. The CCP did know in December, they informed the WHO in December. The studies there were done by western scientists too remember, who the CCP invited in in early January when there had been one death.

If you think they were negligent in waiting, then logically you must think we were far far worse with our actions then in terms of the same. It does need to be reiterated, we still aren’t at the same level of lockdown even now as they were. They chose “economic suicide” far quicker that we have done and our indecisiveness in doing so will probably lead to an even bigger one.
 
China was once the cradle of the coronavirus pandemic but it has bounced back with astonishing speed, writes EDWARD LUCAS as he reveals the country may have won the war for global supremacy as well

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...virus-pandemic-bounced-astonishing-speed.html

Extract below stood out for me as being very accurate. They can actually follow through with what Russia can’t due to their economic model.

As Charles Parton, once the top ‘China-watcher’ in the British government, argues in the latest edition of Standpoint magazine, we do not have a strategy for dealing with China. But China has a strategy for dealing with us.

For years the Beijing regime has been playing divide and rule against a squabbling and self-indulgent West.
 
Marvin said:
We have trillions of bacteria in every g of gut content, and alongside the bacteria are billions of viral particles. You, like the Chinese, eat animals and plants to survive. Animals and plants are just one branch of an extraordinary interconnected web of life. The vertical inheritance that Darwin envisaged turned out to be a very simplified version. The branches of life are connected both vertically and horizontally (primarily by viruses).

Contrary to the old testament modern life owes its current existence to evolutionary biology and something that disgusts you is actually intrinsic to your very being. The cells in your heart and skeletal muscle contain tiny sub-units called mitochondria which are thought to have originated from a process of endosymbiosis whereby one prokaryotic cell ingested another. Likewise plants owe their green colour to chloroplasts which are another vestige of an ancient ingested prokaryote.

Keeping animals together in close proximity isn't a good idea if you want to stop viral transfer between species but China are not alone in this. We domesticate animals. Mankind has domesticated animals for tens of thousands of years. Open your curtains at dusk and you might if you are lucky see bats. Walk in the countryside and you'll see bat-boxes in the trees, and bat-droppings on the ground if you look closely. You can see where this is going.

Bats are not the only animal that hosts viruses. All animals do so. The focus is on bats because they have a powerful immune system which makes them ideal hosts for coronaviruses but the epidemic could just as well have come from influenza, or in another time Yersinia pestis the bacteria carried by rats that produces the black death in humans (in fact black death survives to this day). No doubt you'll tell me the rats came from China.

The virus will be stopped by human collaboration and good science, not by prejudice.
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I agree with every word mate but it’s about mitigating risk and their practices over there are playing with fire.

I said in another post that a pandemic can start anywhere but more have started in China than anywhere else combined since the millennium and the reason is that they have bad habits.

Of course focusing on this now won’t stop this virus, it’s too late but if the world shows a collective disapproval to them, it will help to stop the next one!
 
meltonblue said:
Like I said, that’s a false narrative though that doesn’t make logical sense. You’re saying they are waited and waited but they locked down their country after 17 deaths, given it originated there and so they had no other evidence to go off, that isn’t far into a virus cycle at all. The CCP did know in December, they informed the WHO in December. The studies there were done by western scientists too remember, who the CCP invited in in early January when there had been one death.

If you think they were negligent in waiting, then logically you must think we were far far worse with our actions then in terms of the same. It does need to be reiterated, we still aren’t at the same level of lockdown even now as they were. They chose “economic suicide” far quicker that we have done and our indecisiveness in doing so will probably lead to an even bigger one.
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My entire point is they waited a month to admit what this thing was and there’s no way it’d only killed 17 people when they locked down, the population in Hubei don’t believe that.

They tried to cover to it up and lie but it got out of control and they had to act, but yet they still covered it up.

The West were certainly negligent in not acting quick enough but there’s a difference between incompetence and lying to everyone and the WHO.
 
Ban-jani said:
My entire point is they waited a month to admit what this thing was and there’s no way it’d only killed 17 people when they locked down, the population in Hubei don’t believe that.

They tried to cover to it up and lie but it got out of control and they had to act, but yet they still covered it up.

The West were certainly negligent in not acting quick enough but there’s a difference between incompetence and lying to everyone and the WHO.
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There's another thread for this, and you know it.
 
Ban-jani said:
I agree with every word mate but it’s about mitigating risk and their practices over there are playing with fire.

I said in another post that a pandemic can start anywhere but more have started in China than anywhere else combined since the millennium and the reason is that they have bad habits.

Of course focusing on this now won’t stop this virus, it’s too late but if the world shows a collective disapproval to them, it will help to stop the next one!
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BCG was started by farmers here feeding cows to cows.

Get fucked with your racism
 
1.618034 said:
Yeah, but no one else is interested in that, so more chance of bites in here.
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Yeah I’m only here for bites.

Not here because I enjoy discussing the issues at hand.

Another accusation of being a WUM, brilliant.
 
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