Covid and travel discussion

ctwrd said:
How dare you wish to holiday abroad. How dare you wish to not be lied to and have the goalposts constantly moved. Cant you just accept being lied to and patronised?
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You do know there's a pandemic going on, a shifting evolving virus where, surprisingly, we are one of the world leaders in combating it.

This will obviously change if people like you bugger off to a country not sorting their population out.

I'd love to go abroad. Cancelled 5 holidays now. Instead of booking again I've booked in the UK. Seems a far better bet.
 
BimboBob said:
You do know there's a pandemic going on, a shifting evolving virus where, surprisingly, we are one of the world leaders in combating it.

This will obviously change if people like you bugger off to a country not sorting their population out.

I'd love to go abroad. Cancelled 5 holidays now. Instead of booking again I've booked in the UK. Seems a far better bet.
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Tiresome.
You accuse me of not acknowledging the existence of the pandemic with zero evidence of that fact.
The government are announcing timescales and stating how they will unlock and then changing (not because of the data either) and not just for holidays but all matters. For example, they said the vulnerable need to be vaccinated to open up, that then became every adult and it has now become every adult plus tests plus bio-ID cards. They’ll be something else next (vaccines for kids seems to be in the pipeline).
It is legitimate to question this and not be a covidiot/covid denier.

it is also perfectly reasonable to discuss the potential measures for holidays abroad which is the point of this thread without people coming on accusing those holding such discussions of being morons idiots etc... I suggest those that feel compelled to hurl such insults find another thread.

I have to break it to all those who think holidays won’t/shouldn’t go ahead. They will do for those prepared to follow the rules and able to go to those destinations where it is permitted. I will be doing and perfectly happy to support the tourism industry abroad (booking with uk companies!).
 
ctwrd said:
Tiresome.
You accuse me of not acknowledging the existence of the pandemic with zero evidence of that fact.
The government are announcing timescales and stating how they will unlock and then changing (not because of the data either) and not just for holidays but all matters. For example, they said the vulnerable need to be vaccinated to open up, that then became every adult and it has now become every adult plus tests plus bio-ID cards. They’ll be something else next (vaccines for kids seems to be in the pipeline).
It is legitimate to question this and not be a covidiot/covid denier.

it is also perfectly reasonable to discuss the potential measures for holidays abroad which is the point of this thread without people coming on accusing those holding such discussions of being morons idiots etc... I suggest those that feel compelled to hurl such insults find another thread.

I have to break it to all those who think holidays won’t/shouldn’t go ahead. They will do for those prepared to follow the rules and able to go to those destinations where it is permitted. I will be doing and perfectly happy to support the tourism industry abroad (booking with uk companies!).
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They announce time scales that then move because??

1.They are bastards.

2. The line is shifting all the time.



As long as you are happy getting on a plane, surrounded by others, and going to a country that probably hasn't vaccinated the full population then off you pop.

Personal I'm not going to.
 
BimboBob said:
They announce time scales that then move because??

1.They are bastards.

2. The line is shifting all the time.



As long as you are happy getting on a plane, surrounded by others, and going to a country that probably hasn't vaccinated the full population then off you pop.

Personal I'm not going to.
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It’s 3, because they never intended to do as they said previously but didn’t want you to know their true intention.

data shows vaccine protects self and significantly reduces infection also (more to come as early days) so I’ll take my chances.

it’s not for you to pompously pontificate over the choice of others “off you pop”, delightful.
 
There is absolutely nothing wrong with people looking forward to the return of international travel, when permitted by the government, and likely to a handful of countries on the 'green' traffic light list which, if as documented, will be countries with similar vaccine and Covid stats to us.

Just like there is nothing wrong with those who intend to holiday domestically for 2021.

Live and let live.
 
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I was reading earlier that even if a “Green” country, you would still need Covid Tests before going and before returning at considerable cost and presumably if one of you tests positive before returning home, then you would need to stay, quarantine in that country at your cost and find alternative flights home? Quite a costly gamble that isn’t it! We have one booked for Aug rearranged from last year but I look at this and am swaying towards cancelling and losing the deposit.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
I was reading earlier that even if a “Green” country, you would still need Covid Tests before going and before returning at considerable cost and presumably if one of you tests positive before returning home, then you would need to stay, quarantine in that country at your cost and find alternative flights home? Quite a costly gamble that isn’t it! We have one booked for Aug rearranged from last year but I look at this and am swaying towards cancelling and losing the deposit.
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Although the various details have yet to come out in the wash, even 'straightforward' foreign holidays this summer are unlikely to be anything but straightforward.

It will undoubtedly put a lot of people off, very understandably too, as holidays are supposed to be relatively relaxing.

For those inclined to head abroad, I think there could well be some bargains to be had, but people will need to weigh up all the possible eventualities; risk vs reward.

Anyone unsure should probably stay home and play it safe, maybe revisit it over winter or summer 2022.
 
ctwrd said:
It’s 3, because they never intended to do as they said previously but didn’t want you to know their true intention.

data shows vaccine protects self and significantly reduces infection also (more to come as early days) so I’ll take my chances.

it’s not for you to pompously pontificate over the choice of others “off you pop”, delightful.
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Off you pop. I'm sure you, your family and your friends won't get infected. Have a lovely time. You've waited over a year. You deserve it.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
I was reading earlier that even if a “Green” country, you would still need Covid Tests before going and before returning at considerable cost and presumably if one of you tests positive before returning home, then you would need to stay, quarantine in that country at your cost and find alternative flights home? Quite a costly gamble that isn’t it! We have one booked for Aug rearranged from last year but I look at this and am swaying towards cancelling and losing the deposit.
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I'd wait mate. Only cancel if it goes ahead.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
I was reading earlier that even if a “Green” country, you would still need Covid Tests before going and before returning at considerable cost and presumably if one of you tests positive before returning home, then you would need to stay, quarantine in that country at your cost and find alternative flights home? Quite a costly gamble that isn’t it! We have one booked for Aug rearranged from last year but I look at this and am swaying towards cancelling and losing the deposit.
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In the same boat mate and was thinking of cancelling but hoping to force the hand of the travel company and with any luck they'll call it off and give us our deposit back, eventually.
 
feedthegoat27 said:
Although the various details have yet to come out in the wash, even 'straightforward' foreign holidays this summer are unlikely to be anything but straightforward.

It will undoubtedly put a lot of people off, very understandably too, as holidays are supposed to be relatively relaxing.

For those inclined to head abroad, I think there could well be some bargains to be had, but people will need to weigh up all the possible eventualities; risk vs reward.

Anyone unsure should probably stay home and play it safe, maybe revisit it over winter or summer 2022.
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Yes that’s what I think. There are some good deals but we paid last years prices so ours isn’t a good deal and if anything went wrong as I’ve described I could be adding £2k plus to my bill plus would probably need to book an extra week off work on return just in case. It just doesn’t seem worth it.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Yes that’s what I think. There are some good deals but we paid last years prices so ours isn’t a good deal and if anything went wrong as I’ve described I could be adding £2k plus to my bill plus would probably need to book an extra week off work on return just in case. It just doesn’t seem worth it.
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Actually on the whole prices are up 20% on 2019. They’re going to have to make up their losses somehow.
It will be interesting to see how the various companies treat the three lights.
Presumably green will be holidays going but will amber be package holidays cancelled and flight only bookings still going?
Up to now any isolation as per amber have resulted in package holidays being cancelled and lots of other flights too. If amber means the holiday goes ahead then that potentially leaves to some difficult decisions.
the decent holiday companies allowed for booking alterations with no fee of course
 
ctwrd said:
Actually on the whole prices are up 20% on 2019. They’re going to have to make up their losses somehow.
It will be interesting to see how the various companies treat the three lights.
Presumably green will be holidays going but will amber be package holidays cancelled and flight only bookings still going?
Up to now any isolation as per amber have resulted in package holidays being cancelled and lots of other flights too. If amber means the holiday goes ahead then that potentially leaves to some difficult decisions.
the decent holiday companies allowed for booking alterations with no fee of course
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Obviously a lot needs clarifying, however based on some experiences from last summer I think the following will be broadly accurate or close.

Green...crack on. Likely at least one test going or coming back, more likely testing at both ends but assuming both are negative then all good.

Red....package holidays will be cancelled to these destinations. Some flight only will possibly still continue, and in that instance a change or voucher from the airline might be the best outcome someone can hope for.

Edit...maybe not, this from the TUI website....I still think when it comes to it that red list holidays are more likely to be cancelled though, as red list could well be against FCDO advice so no tour ops will go against that.

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Amber...because amber is, if believed, isolation at home on return then I think package holidays will still go ahead. If it's also isolation for a prolonged period in resort then it would likely be cancelled, but if it is indeed just home isolation upon return to UK then I doubt the tour ops will outright cancel holidays.
They will likely offer a free change so anyone caught up in amber can at least amend to a later date without penalty but in terms of cancellations and refunds I'm not sure that will happen. Flight only likely to go ahead 'as normal'.

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If above is true or close enough in a round about way, amber is gonna cause us a massive fucking headache in the industry, not least because so many people moved bookings from last summer to this summer in the hope things would be back to normal by then.

Yet again we await further instruction, thanks in no part to Boris who said recently he'd have an update for us today and all we got was the usual waffle.
If we get the same waffle from the travel task force team next week then I'm giving up.
 
feedthegoat27 said:
Obviously a lot needs clarifying, however based on some experiences from last summer I think the following will be broadly accurate or close.

Green...crack on. Likely at least one test going or coming back, more likely testing at both ends but assuming both are negative then all good.

Red....package holidays will be cancelled to these destinations. Some flight only will possibly still continue, and in that instance a change or voucher from the airline might be the best outcome someone can hope for.

Edit...maybe not, this from the TUI website....I still think when it comes to it that red list holidays are more likely to be cancelled though, as red list could well be against FCDO advice so no tour ops will go against that.

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Amber...because amber is, if believed, isolation at home on return then I think package holidays will still go ahead. If it's also isolation for a prolonged period in resort then it would likely be cancelled, but if it is indeed just home isolation upon return to UK then I doubt the tour ops will outright cancel holidays.
They will likely offer a free change so anyone caught up in amber can at least amend to a later date without penalty but in terms of cancellations and refunds I'm not sure that will happen. Flight only likely to go ahead 'as normal'.

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If above is true or close enough in a round about way, amber is gonna cause us a massive fucking headache in the industry, not least because so many people moved bookings from last summer to this summer in the hope things would be back to normal by then.

Yet again we await further instruction, thanks in no part to Boris who said recently he'd have an update for us today and all we got was the usual waffle.
If we get the same waffle from the travel task force team next week then I'm giving up.
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Yep, can’t see airlines (Ryanair apart) wanting to send half empty planes given most will cancel/amend to avoid quarantine at home in amber.
 
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