COVID Data Thread

Why do you think they are? I do not see that in the data. Though I have nt yet worked out all todays numbers so maybe they have changed today?

London have the second highest cases across the entire pandemic - 1,209.805 - only North West on 1,227,752 has more. And North West has pretty much had the most all through the last 18 months before and after the vaccines - as I would expect it would given it being the largest population centre of all the regions with multiple separate urban areas. NW is really the perfect breeding ground for Covid.

During much of this recent wave various areas have spiked. At one point the much smaller South West was by far the most. By its population it should be neck and neck with the North East as it was for much of the pandemic but even now after big falls it is twice North East and North East is up on where it was at one stage.

But SW was almost double the North West too and only just below it even now.

If you look at the England regions table I post every night you will see that South East is still well clear (though it has fallen from 7000 where it was miles above the North West to only a 1000 or so over there now).I imagine quite a few who work in London live in the South East.

London has had its turn spiking like that when cases boomed and testing is focused there perhaps. Couple of months ago they and North West were pretty closely matched and London had its tirns at the top.

Right now things have normalised where the majority of the regions are all clustered in the 2500/3500 or so grouping. Though NW is up a bit today it will likely fall into the 3Ks again as the week progresses. Midweek tends to be the high point. And really I thnk it is just now (South East and South West still exceptions as they are higher than normal) where the usual order is being restored. Probably created by demographics. housing, poverty etc - only ever disrupted when local waves occur and testing focuses on those areas.

The regions are probably grouped more closely together than they have ever been right now. Not more polarised from what I can see. Thogh midweek distorts that a bit as numbers tend to be higher than the rest of the week.
If you look at the current cases maps the colour for inner London is 100-199 and most of the rest is 200-399 and has been for weeks 2 notches down on the rest of the country.
Of course, an alternative explanation is that the cases are there but they aren't being reported.
 
Last edited:
If you look at the current cases maps the colour for inner London is 100-199 and most of the rest is 200-399 and has been for weeks 2 notches down on the rest of the country.
Of course, an alternative explanation is that the cases are there but they aren't being reported.
I am not familiar with the geography as London is one of the few parts of the UK I have not lived in! But I would think it has fewer occupational residents than those who work there, So I would not have been surprised by the suburbs being more likely to have cases than the inner city. Though I assume you know the area far better than I do. Its 20 years since I was in London. That was just to appear on Lorraine and This Morning and do some other PR related stuff and so a quick visit. Things are likely to have changed a lot since then.

London had a much worse wave last December/January than the North West did and its cases then were double what the NW was getting and topped 10,000 a day at the peak as I recall.

So these thing do go in cycles and that infectivity level may well hve left the area a little less likely to be so heavily impacted right now. But about two months ago the NW and London total cases were pretty similar. And I would imagine if you looked deep into the NW numbers the actual reason they fluctuate will be different areas taking their turn at increasing cases.

In GM the past 6 months have seen huge jumps up in Bolton, and more recently in Trafford, then Stockport and if you took a snapshot whilst those were going on the numbers would look very different from when they subside. Stockport has fallen from stratospheric to routine numbers in under 2 weeks. So what looks true now is very dfferent from this time last month just due to how these waves ripple through the UK.

Daily cases are also not a great guide as they fluctuate depending on the speed of returns from labs so recrd cases across multple days. Why I stress trends and week to week and Pop Scores as these smooth out that unevenness.

But every demographic will impact the local total I would imagine. And is likely one reason for variations within boroughs or regions. Rate of uptake of the vaccination will be one for sure. But being the most vaccinated in GM across the whoke pandemic did not stop Stockport spiking. Though having had the fewest cases due to economic factors will be relevant. Stockport is relatively more afluent than some other GM boroughs where deprivation or culture will be part of why they they do less well including in vaccination rates.

If Roubaix pops in here hopefully he can offer a more informed view on these matters. But I do not see anything that surprises me in the London data. BUt it is more than possible I am missing something through lack of local awareness of the region.

Sorry I cannot be more helpful.
 
WALES UPDATE

Better news here today


12 deaths - was 17 last week

2134 cases - was 2799 last week

10.5% positivity - was 11.1% last week

649 patients - was 686 last week

73 ventilated - was 73 last week
 
I am not familiar with the geography as London is one of the few parts of the UK I have not lived in! But I would think it has fewer occupational residents than those who work there, So I would not have been surprised by the suburbs being more likely to have cases than the inner city. Though I assume you know the area far better than I do. Its 20 years since I was in London. That was just to appear on Lorraine and This Morning and do some other PR related stuff and so a quick visit. Things are likely to have changed a lot since then.

London had a much worse wave last December/January than the North West did and its cases then were double what the NW was getting and topped 10,000 a day at the peak as I recall.

So these thing do go in cycles and that infectivity level may well hve left the area a little less likely to be so heavily impacted right now. But about two months ago the NW and London total cases were pretty similar. And I would imagine if you looked deep into the NW numbers the actual reason they fluctuate will be different areas taking their turn at increasing cases.

In GM the past 6 months have seen huge jumps up in Bolton, and more recently in Trafford, then Stockport and if you took a snapshot whilst those were going on the numbers would look very different from when they subside. Stockport has fallen from stratospheric to routine numbers in under 2 weeks. So what looks true now is very dfferent from this time last month just due to how these waves ripple through the UK.

Daily cases are also not a great guide as they fluctuate depending on the speed of returns from labs so recrd cases across multple days. Why I stress trends and week to week and Pop Scores as these smooth out that unevenness.

But every demographic will impact the local total I would imagine. And is likely one reason for variations within boroughs or regions. Rate of uptake of the vaccination will be one for sure. But being the most vaccinated in GM across the whoke pandemic did not stop Stockport spiking. Though having had the fewest cases due to economic factors will be relevant. Stockport is relatively more afluent than some other GM boroughs where deprivation or culture will be part of why they they do less well including in vaccination rates.

If Roubaix pops in here hopefully he can offer a more informed view on these matters. But I do not see anything that surprises me in the London data. BUt it is more than possible I am missing something through lack of local awareness of the region.

Sorry I cannot be more helpful.

I would suggest London may have been hit far worse by covid than any other part of the country at the very start of the pandemic. When you have 5,000,000 zipping around the tube network (excluding the train and bus network that is bursting at the seams) on a daily basis, it makes sense, on an intuitive basis, that it would have ripped through the capital. In addition to transport, you also have to take into account the estimated 1,000,000 living in HMOs, population density and the sheer numbers who go to bars, clubs, restaurants and theatres. From the point of view of a virus, London is by far and away the most productive region in the UK.
 
Yes that is a reasonable argument pre most testing. If I got it last March (as unlikey but possible though I was never tested) it was indirectly via London as my brother would have got it from having dinner with one of Boris's team. That man later co presented some of the covid press briefings so was certainly workimg closely with Boris then. That happened just before my brother and I had breakfast together and just before Boris was rushed into hospital with Covid.

We will never know if these things were linked as unless you were really ill then nobody was tested but it was certainly around in London at that time. And who knows how many more Boris indirectly and unknowingly infected as they were largely people only got tested if they got really ill.

And London was certainly hit worse than much of the UK - NW included - in the most deadly wave we have had last December/January pre any real vaccine programme. The cases this time around have been higher based on the Zoe data but deaths thankfully are dramatically less - partly due to time of year (most peope outside not in as it was Summer) but also very much due to the vaccines.
 
Last edited:
SCOTLAND DATA

Bit mixed here today - cases up other numbers down

26 deaths - was 33 last week

3340 cases- was 2823 last week

8.2% positivity - was 7.2% last week.

768 patients - down 10 on yesterday - was 896 last week

60 ventilated - down 3 on yesterday - was 64 last week
 
England hospital deaths not updated BUT that must be an issue there as we hvw final figures. See below
 
Northern Ireland Data

6 deaths - was 12 last week

1462 cases - was 1481 last week

9030 WEEKLY CASES - WAS 8775 YESTERDAY & 8020 LAST WEEK

38 CARE HOME OUTBREAKS - WAS 38 YESTERDAY & 42 LAST WEEK

387 Patients - Down 17 on yesterday - Was 378 last week

30 ventilated - UP 2 on yesterday - was 31 last week
 
195 UK Deaths

151 from England - was 152 last week. AS noted how many in hospital has not yet been reported but likely around 110/120 in hospital. It was 107 last week.

The UK total was 214 last Thursday - so down 19

42, 408 UK Cases

That is UP 3079 on yesterday & UP 5139 on last week.

THESE ARE THE FIRST SIGNIFICANT RISES WEEK TO WEEK SUGGESTING THE HONEYMOON IS OVER SADLY


England cases only:-

35, 472 - UP 3931 on yesterday (from 31,541) and UP 5306 on last Thursday (from 30,168)

So England rose the most today

THESE NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING QUITE POSSIBLY THE RESULT OF THE MAD IDEA OF CANCELLING PUBLIC BONFIRE DISPLAYS SO HALF THE UK COULD GO AROUND TO ONE ANOTHERS HOUSES AND SPREAD IT 2 OR 3 TIMES IN SEPARATE PARTIES OVER THE WEEKEND NSTEAD- NOT JUST ONCE IN AN OPEN AREA AWAY FROM HOUSES WITH FOOD AND PARTIES. WHO CAME UP WITH THAT PLAN AND WHY?
 
Last edited:
195 UK Deaths

151 from England - was 152 last week. AS noted how many in hospital has not yet been reported but likely around 110/120 in hospital. It was 107 last week.

The UK total was 214 last Thursday - so down 19

42, 408 UK Cases

That is UP 3079 on yesterday & UP 5139 on last week.

THESE ARE THE FIRST SIGNIFICANT RISES WEEK TO WEEK SUGGESTING THE HONEYMOON IS OVER SADLY


England cases only:-

35, 472 - UP 3931 on yesterday (from 31,541) and UP 5306 on last Thursday (from 30,168)

So England rose the most today

THESE NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING

Is anyone surprised? Schools have gone back and students are being tested 2 or 3 times a week. Let’s just hope they stay around this mark like they were doing before half term.
 
NORTH WEST & GREATER MANCHESTER SUMMARY

Not a great day for Greater Manchester - but compartively could have been worse

Up 81 to 1597

North West was up by 84 to 4381.

So in truth that rise is a pretty small split considering the large England rise today and NW & GM had modest split of it.

Though obviously having almost all of the NW total in GM they came off the worst. Though tiny numbers so minimal impact.

Bury, Manchester, Tameside and Trafford are actually down a bit from yesterday.

Week to week the North West is actually UP 610 from 3771 - one of the biggest regional weekly rises here in a while.

Greater Manchester is UP 361 of that 610 which is a bit over expectation and not good news. GM had the worst of it today it seems.

Manchester top scored on 252 - up 74 week to week.

Wigan is also struggling and was over 200 too on 213 - up 64 week to week

Others over the week all lower than Manchester;s rise

Trafford up 56, Tameside up 28, Stockport up 27, Salford up 39. Oldham up 18.

But Bolton had the worst day cementing the concerns I have been expressing about it becoming the new borough to take off. Up day to day by 43 and week to week by 71 on 187 - the highest number here in months. And more cases than Stockport for the second day running.
 
If Roubaix pops in here hopefully he can offer a more informed view on these matters. But I do not see anything that surprises me in the London data. BUt it is more than possible I am missing something through lack of local awareness of the region.

Sorry, no great insight. Looking at ONS figures shows if it's real or reporting...

1636650448319.png

I'm sceptical that differences are wholly or largely from previous high levels of infection, purely because elsewhere in the country, far wider differentials on that don't correlate at all well to current rates. But others may reasonably take a different view.

What I would say is that even quite small differences in transmission make huge differences in prevalence very quickly. Growth of 1% a day difference makes the difference double over the space of a month. So seeing large variations between regions maybe shouldn't be a massive surprise.
 
195 UK Deaths

151 from England - was 152 last week. AS noted how many in hospital has not yet been reported but likely around 110/120 in hospital. It was 107 last week.

The UK total was 214 last Thursday - so down 19

42, 408 UK Cases

That is UP 3079 on yesterday & UP 5139 on last week.

THESE ARE THE FIRST SIGNIFICANT RISES WEEK TO WEEK SUGGESTING THE HONEYMOON IS OVER SADLY


England cases only:-

35, 472 - UP 3931 on yesterday (from 31,541) and UP 5306 on last Thursday (from 30,168)

So England rose the most today

THESE NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING QUITE POSSIBLY THE RESULT OF THE MAD IDEA OF CANCELLING PUBLIC BONFIRE DISPLAYS SO HALF THE UK COULD GO AROUND TO ONE ANOTHERS HOUSES AND SPREAD IT 2 OR 3 TIMES IN SEPARATE PARTIES OVER THE WEEKEND NSTEAD- NOT JUST ONCE IN AN OPEN AREA AWAY FROM HOUSES WITH FOOD AND PARTIES. WHO CAME UP WITH THAT PLAN AND WHY?
I didn't know anybody had cancelled bonfire parties, there were plenty of public ones round our way.
 
I didn't know anybody had cancelled bonfire parties, there were plenty of public ones round our way.
GM did for some reason. According to the news anyway. But every house in our small area had one spread over about 5 nights. As Roubaix just showed there are probably various reasons why we are where we are.
 
Last edited:
I didn't know anybody had cancelled bonfire parties, there were plenty of public ones round our way.

None got cancelled near me either. Think it was just a Manchester council organised ones and let’s be honest, they weren’t cancelled due to concerns about covid, just another excuse for people to be that bit shitter than they used to be.
 
Case numbers go up a bit and then go down a bit.

It would seem to me that unless we enact further restrictions such as mask wearing indoors we are going to be stuck with 30,000 to 50,000 cases a day, hospital admissions of between 750 and 1000 a day and 150-200 deaths a day. Obviously this is far from ideal but at least its not the doomsday scenario the experts predicted 2-3 months ago.
 
England hospital deaths data were not published today by the way. And will not be now. Same issue as Tuesday last week. They hope to have this 'reliable' software fixed (again) by tomorrow. Or buy an abacus.

But tomorrow will be a big number as a consequence.

We have the all settings deaths so can guesstimate it was roughly about 115 v 107 last week
 
Last edited:
Case numbers go up a bit and then go down a bit.

It would seem to me that unless we enact further restrictions such as mask wearing indoors we are going to be stuck with 30,000 to 50,000 cases a day, hospital admissions of between 750 and 1000 a day and 150-200 deaths a day. Obviously this is far from ideal but at least its not the doomsday scenario the experts predicted 2-3 months ago.

Saw this, seems apposite:

 
ENGLAND HOSPITAL SUMMARY




ADMISSIONS (TUESDAY) (always 48 hour behind on admissions - the rest of data is all from today)

808 V 891 last week


SO ADMISSIONS STILL DOWN WELL WEEK TO WEEK


London 96 v 100 (DOWN 4), Midlands 162 v 168 (DOWN 6), NE & Yorkshire 152 V 167 (DOWN 15) & North West 114 v 130 (DOWN 16)



NORTH WEST COMES OUT OF THESE NUMBERS THE BEST OF ALL AGAIN



PATIENTS YESTERDAY V TODAY

6961 / 6861 Today.

Down by 100



Last Week the numbers were

7291 / 7201

Down by 90



A week to week FALL of 340 today. It was a week to week fall of 330 yesterday & of 457 and 460 the days before .


SO THE FALLS HAVE FLATTENED BUT IT IS STILL FALLING WEEK TO WEEK - THOUGH THE CASE RISES WILL START TO FEED INTO THAT NEXT WEEK PROBABLY.


Last Thursday patients were UP week to week by 182 (7019 TO 7201)



REGIONALLY London UP 28 at 1075, Midlands DOWN 23 to 1264 , NE & Yorks DOWN 1 to 1341 & NW DOWN 23 to 1039.

Week to week London (UP 55), Midlands (DOWN 88), NE & Yorkshire (DOWN 96), East (DOWN 40), South East (DOWN 30) , South West (DOWN 74) and North West (DOWN 61) over the last 7 days.

So NW had good falls AND is below the numbers in London again after rising abovw in past 10 days or so




VENTILATORS YESTERDAY V TODAY


846 / 842 Today Down 4


Last week the numbers were 854 / 867 Up 13


So week to week today ventilators are DOWN by 25,

Last week they were UP week to week by 73.



REGIONALLY London has 185 (UP 4), Midlands 177 (UP 3), NE & Yorkshire 127 (DOWN 2)
& North West 106 (FLAT)

NORTH WEST FELL WEEK TO WEEK BY 13- MOST OF ANY REGION
 
Last edited:

Don't have an account? Register now and see fewer ads!

SIGN UP
Back
Top