Covid: Personal views

[shemnel]

so, there is the theory of the Great Reset - that the global economies will be reset to a new system in the near future to further entrench wealth for a few and further restrict the rights of the populace. Covid is the vehicle to enact it and the shear amount of money being spent is meaningless.

What i want to know, if you believe that sort of thing, is why? why wipe trillions off global economies for a gamble?

 

[oman0115]

so, there is the theory of the Great Reset - that the global economies will be reset to a new system in the near future to further entrench wealth for a few and further restrict the rights of the populace. Covid is the vehicle to enact it and the shear amount of money being spent is meaningless.

What i want to know, if you believe that sort of thing, is why? why wipe trillions off global economies for a gamble?

Nah, it's more likely because a small % of people are about to make multi billions out of a vaccine most people don't need or want to be honest. I do believe the government absolutely are getting right off on playing God though, and trying to push this 'new normal' narrative! F that I want the old normal back. PS you only have to look at history to realise that the elite don't give a stuff about the old and vulnerable, so this dramatic swing to prioritising that group over the economy has naturally raised suspicion.

 

[shemnel]

Nah, it's more likely because a small % of people are about to make multi billions out of a vaccine most people don't need or want to be honest. I do believe the government absolutely are getting right off on playing God though, and trying to push this 'new normal' narrative! F that I want the old normal back. PS you only have to look at history to realise that the elite don't give a stuff about the old and vulnerable, so this dramatic swing to prioritising that group over the economy has naturally raised suspicion.

as a mate of mine said, why wipe 10s of trillions off stockmarkets to make a few bill for pharma? or are there now competing global conspiracy camps? mathematically it's a bit wonky isnt it?

 

[oman0115]

as a mate of mine said, why wipe 10s of trillions off stockmarkets to make a few bill for pharma? or are there now competing global conspiracy camps? mathematically it's a bit wonky isnt it?

Depends what you believe, which news outlets you watch listen to, and your inner feeling of the situation. I wouldn't just use your mate as your primary source of information. The whole thing is wonky to be fair, which ever 'side'you have fallen on.

 

[give it to gordon]

We have put these signs out 3 times now in our local town, around 30 at a time and within 24hrs they have all been removed. What is the matter with people, ok the signs properly aren't needed as most people should the rules. But its government guidelines that towns/cities show them.

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

Based on anecdotal evidence only, I'm concerned that not enough people will want to be vaccinated. Besides the simpletons and timid I'm hearing that there are people who should know better that they won't be vaccinated. I even heard novak djokovic was against vaccinations.

Is there any reliable evidence or survey that enough people will take a vaccine?

 

[blueparrot]

Based on anecdotal evidence only, I'm concerned that not enough people will want to be vaccinated. Besides the simpletons and timid I'm hearing that there are people who should know better that they won't be vaccinated. I even heard novak djokovic was against vaccinations.

Is there any reliable evidence or survey that enough people will take a vaccine?

I've yet to come across anyone in the real world,except for 2 oddballs with their conspiracy nonsense, that have said they won't and will get it as soon as possible.

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

I've yet to come across anyone in the real world,except for 2 oddballs with their conspiracy nonsense, that have said they won't and will get it as soon as possible.

Thanks. My anecdotal evidence is based on my wife's hearsay. She circulates more than me, generally with more simpletons than I do.

 

[blueparrot]

Thanks. My anecdotal evidence is based on my wife's hearsay. She circulates more than me, generally with more simpletons than I do.

I'm going off the regulars in my coffee shop, so over the last couple of weeks maybe 60- 100 different people have discussed it with me or each other, so a fair cross section and as I said they are overwhelmingly eager to get it.

 

[oman0115]

Based on anecdotal evidence only, I'm concerned that not enough people will want to be vaccinated. Besides the simpletons and timid I'm hearing that there are people who should know better that they won't be vaccinated. I even heard novak djokovic was against vaccinations.

Is there any reliable evidence or survey that enough people will take a vaccine?

You start telling people what they should have injected in their bodies and you are going to get a problem. You start telling them they can't have their freedom they've grown up with without it you are going to have far out reaching social revolt. The protests we see now ( or don't depending on which news source you subscribe to ) are the tip of the iceberg. To dismiss someone as a simpleton for not wanting a vaccine frankly says more about you than them, and to not do your own research and completely believe what you are being told to do is well frankly your choice. Don't say 'well the scientists say' because they are not universally unanimous on a) we need mass vaccination or b) Covid is the life threatening mass killer we are told.

And to your last point, simple offer it to people who are vulnerable and at risk first, for most people the effects are the same as a cold or no affects at all, I ask if the affected group are vaccinated ( at there own discretion of course ) why does there need to be worldwide vaccination? Do you not even look at the death stats and see more are well into old age and with pre existing conditions and question why a healthy individual needs to be vaccinate, with a vaccine which currently is showing less effectiveness than the good old immune system? I am not digging you out, I just struggle with the concept that people are begging to have a vaccine inserted in them when it hasn't gone through the rigorous tests most vaccinations do.

 

[Bluemanc100]

You start telling people what they should have injected in their bodies and you are going to get a problem. You start telling them they can't have their freedom they've grown up with without it you are going to have far out reaching social revolt. The protests we see now ( or don't depending on which news source you subscribe to ) are the tip of the iceberg. To dismiss someone as a simpleton for not wanting a vaccine frankly says more about you than them, and to not do your own research and completely believe what you are being told to do is well frankly your choice. Don't say 'well the scientists say' because they are not universally unanimous on a) we need mass vaccination or b) Covid is the life threatening mass killer we are told.

And to your last point, simple offer it to people who are vulnerable and at risk first, for most people the effects are the same as a cold or no affects at all, I ask if the affected group are vaccinated ( at there own discretion of course ) why does there need to be worldwide vaccination? Do you not even look at the death stats and see more are well into old age and with pre existing conditions and question why a healthy individual needs to be vaccinate, with a vaccine which currently is showing less effectiveness than the good old immune system? I am not digging you out, I just struggle with the concept that people are begging to have a vaccine inserted in them when it hasn't gone through the rigorous tests most vaccinations do.

There’s zero chance they are going to release a vaccine that hasn’t passed the mandatory safety trials.. even during a world pandemic

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

You start telling people what they should have injected in their bodies and you are going to get a problem. You start telling them they can't have their freedom they've grown up with without it you are going to have far out reaching social revolt. The protests we see now ( or don't depending on which news source you subscribe to ) are the tip of the iceberg. To dismiss someone as a simpleton for not wanting a vaccine frankly says more about you than them, and to not do your own research and completely believe what you are being told to do is well frankly your choice. Don't say 'well the scientists say' because they are not universally unanimous on a) we need mass vaccination or b) Covid is the life threatening mass killer we are told.

And to your last point, simple offer it to people who are vulnerable and at risk first, for most people the effects are the same as a cold or no affects at all, I ask if the affected group are vaccinated ( at there own discretion of course ) why does there need to be worldwide vaccination? Do you not even look at the death stats and see more are well into old age and with pre existing conditions and question why a healthy individual needs to be vaccinate, with a vaccine which currently is showing less effectiveness than the good old immune system? I am not digging you out, I just struggle with the concept that people are begging to have a vaccine inserted in them when it hasn't gone through the rigorous tests most vaccinations do.

There is so much wrong with this post. The answers to the questions you raise are well known. You'll get no further engagement from me.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

There’s zero chance they are going to release a vaccine that hasn’t passed the mandatory safety trials.. even during a world pandemic

Quite. The regulators are all ethical people.
And none of the three potential vaccines in question can give you covid, as there is no dead covid in them.

 

[HelloCity]

You start telling people what they should have injected in their bodies and you are going to get a problem. You start telling them they can't have their freedom they've grown up with without it you are going to have far out reaching social revolt. The protests we see now ( or don't depending on which news source you subscribe to ) are the tip of the iceberg. To dismiss someone as a simpleton for not wanting a vaccine frankly says more about you than them, and to not do your own research and completely believe what you are being told to do is well frankly your choice. Don't say 'well the scientists say' because they are not universally unanimous on a) we need mass vaccination or b) Covid is the life threatening mass killer we are told.

And to your last point, simple offer it to people who are vulnerable and at risk first, for most people the effects are the same as a cold or no affects at all, I ask if the affected group are vaccinated ( at there own discretion of course ) why does there need to be worldwide vaccination? Do you not even look at the death stats and see more are well into old age and with pre existing conditions and question why a healthy individual needs to be vaccinate, with a vaccine which currently is showing less effectiveness than the good old immune system? I am not digging you out, I just struggle with the concept that people are begging to have a vaccine inserted in them when it hasn't gone through the rigorous tests most vaccinations do.

If it wasn’t for the vaccinations all babies are made to take then we’d have all sorts of diseases flying round.

I suggest you stop reading conspiracy theories written by individuals with an EE in GCSE science.

 

[oman0115]

There’s zero chance they are going to release a vaccine that hasn’t passed the mandatory safety trials.. even during a world pandemic

From the national institute of public health;

''It is difficult to say when there will be an effective vaccine against the novel coronavirus. It takes a long time to develop a vaccine for a new infectious disease, usually as long as 5 to 10 years. Every effort is being made to accelerate development of a vaccine for COVID-19.''

This bit in bold, is enough to make people worry and question the process, and no one can blame a single person for being wary and cautious over their own health because of it. My parents have had covid, they had a rough time but thankfully survived. They've been told a whole host of information, they have antibodies so are unlikey to have it twice, indeed I think four people ( may be wrong ) have had it twice world wide. Would I like them to have it, a part of me yes, but I respect their right to be cautious. PS they are not simpletons, both were doctors ;-)

 

[oman0115]

If it wasn’t for the vaccinations all babies are made to take then we’d have all sorts of diseases flying round.

I suggest you stop reading conspiracy theories written by individuals with an EE in GCSE science.

Hahaha right on queue here we go, it is so much easier to discredit someone with a different view than you instead of having a rational debate isn't it

 

[twosips]

From the national institute of public health;

''It is difficult to say when there will be an effective vaccine against the novel coronavirus. It takes a long time to develop a vaccine for a new infectious disease, usually as long as 5 to 10 years. Every effort is being made to accelerate development of a vaccine for COVID-19.''

This bit in bold, is enough to make people worry and question the process, and no one can blame a single person for being wary and cautious over their own health because of it. My parents have had covid, they had a rough time but thankfully survived. They've been told a whole host of information, they have antibodies so are unlikey to have it twice, indeed I think four people ( may be wrong ) have had it twice world wide. Would I like them to have it, a part of me yes, but I respect their right to be cautious. PS they are not simpletons, both were doctors ;-)

I'm gonna guess you've ignored the countless articles explaining why that doesn't really mean as much as you think it does. There are numerous perfectly plausible and logical reasons why this is notably quicker.

 

[M18CTID]

From the national institute of public health;

''It is difficult to say when there will be an effective vaccine against the novel coronavirus. It takes a long time to develop a vaccine for a new infectious disease, usually as long as 5 to 10 years. Every effort is being made to accelerate development of a vaccine for COVID-19.''

This bit in bold, is enough to make people worry and question the process, and no one can blame a single person for being wary and cautious over their own health because of it. My parents have had covid, they had a rough time but thankfully survived. They've been told a whole host of information, they have antibodies so are unlikey to have it twice, indeed I think four people ( may be wrong ) have had it twice world wide. Would I like them to have it, a part of me yes, but I respect their right to be cautious. PS they are not simpletons, both were doctors ;-)

I think there’s a big difference between those who are understandably a little nervous about taking a new vaccine that has been developed in a very short space of time (although I think that can be plausibly explained by the fact that never before have so many worked flat out on developing a new vaccine), and those out and out tin foil hat wearing nutjobs like the one below I’ve encountered on Twatter:

 

[oman0115]

I'm gonna guess you've ignored the countless articles explaining why that doesn't really mean as much as you think it does. There are numerous perfectly plausible and logical reasons why this is notably quicker.

Maybe you can send them to me privately and I can review?

 

[03 March 2002]

From the national institute of public health;

''It is difficult to say when there will be an effective vaccine against the novel coronavirus. It takes a long time to develop a vaccine for a new infectious disease, usually as long as 5 to 10 years. Every effort is being made to accelerate development of a vaccine for COVID-19.''

This bit in bold, is enough to make people worry and question the process, and no one can blame a single person for being wary and cautious over their own health because of it. My parents have had covid, they had a rough time but thankfully survived. They've been told a whole host of information, they have antibodies so are unlikey to have it twice, indeed I think four people ( may be wrong ) have had it twice world wide. Would I like them to have it, a part of me yes, but I respect their right to be cautious. PS they are not simpletons, both were doctors ;-)

Whilst I agree and this statement is correct, it's a point of pure ignorance. You simply cannot compare this vaccine to other vaccines.

It doesn't take that long for any reason other than time sinks such as applying for funding to perform clinical trials and awaiting regulatory review/approval all of which are expedited in this case. I repeat once again. Exactly the same safety protocols have been observed. These clinical trials are much larger than your average and if anything they have even more safety data than most new molecular entities that enter the market.