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[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

the link doesn't work, can you divulge?

There was quite a lot, so i'll have missed some of it out but what i remember, he went on the piss with 2 junior squad members after being told not to, openly criticised Carberry after one of his innings, tried everything he could to get out of the tour after the 3rd test moaning about his knee, said he didnt give a fuck after getting out once, looked out of the window uninterested in team meetings, said it was good to hear another South african accent in the changing room when Ballance made his debut (even though Ballance is from Zimbabwe), spoke out in team meetings saying players should be allowed out on the piss, had a go at Cook after Cook gave a pep talk (saying they should be doing less not more gym work).

Edit - try this

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/interactive/2014/oct/07/leaked-ashes-dossier-kevin-pietersen-pdf

I'm not convinced, I'll wait to see a full ECB statement, people like Vaughan are completely unimpressed so I don't know...KP's book is the first step, then the ECB response.

ECB admitted on twitter it was a document put together by their solicitors looking into countering KP's book

 

[RandomJ]

Did they keep a dossier of every single players behaviour or just KP's? If it's the latter of the two then I find that very interesting as it seems to show they were already plotting throwing him under the bus.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

There was quite a lot, so i'll have missed some of it out but what i remember, he went on the piss with 2 junior squad members after being told not to, openly criticised Carberry after one of his innings, tried everything he could to get out of the tour after the 3rd test moaning about his knee, said he didnt give a fuck after getting out once, looked out of the window uninterested in team meetings, said it was good to hear another South african accent in the changing room when Ballance made his debut (even though Ballance is from Zimbabwe), spoke out in team meetings saying players should be allowed out on the piss, had a go at Cook after Cook gave a pep talk (saying they should be doing less not more gym work).

Edit - try this

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/interactive/2014/oct/07/leaked-ashes-dossier-kevin-pietersen-pdf

I'm not convinced, I'll wait to see a full ECB statement, people like Vaughan are completely unimpressed so I don't know...KP's book is the first step, then the ECB response.

ECB admitted on twitter it was a document put together by their solicitors looking into countering KP's book

yes but most of the comments are from the perspective of those KP is accusing, so they're either right and KP's wrong, or he's really got a point about what they were like and up to. To be honest, I can only go off what I've seen and I've seen enough of Swann, Broad and Prior for them to come across as complete twats, but if KP's said what the ECB claim then he's had it, simple as. I'm not convinced though.

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

Did they keep a dossier of every single players behaviour or just KP's? If it's the latter of the two then I find that very interesting as it seems to show they were already plotting throwing him under the bus.

Only KP as i think its a response to his book coming out but even if half of its true it doesnt look good for KP. There is little doubt that all the problems have been put at KP's door, when the ECB and Flower need to step up and take some of the blame but are too busy covering their own arses.

I blame Baconface, if he'd given them a pep talk like he did at the Ryder cup, we'd have won that tour, and GPC would have umpteen titles, numerous horse races, a Ryder cup and an Ashes on his whiskey piss riddled CV.

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

I'm not convinced, I'll wait to see a full ECB statement, people like Vaughan are completely unimpressed so I don't know...KP's book is the first step, then the ECB response.

ECB admitted on twitter it was a document put together by their solicitors looking into countering KP's book

yes but most of the comments are from the perspective of those KP is accusing, so they're either right and KP's wrong, or he's really got a point about what they were like and up to. To be honest, I can only go off what I've seen and I've seen enough of Swann, Broad and Prior for them to come across as complete twats, but if KP's said what the ECB claim then he's had it, simple as. I'm not convinced though.

I dont think anyone is innocent in all this, i think both sides of the divide have done and said things that are wrong. What you say about Broad, Swann and Prior can be said of KP, before the tour he's done enough wrong to suggest he's a complete twat as well.

Interesting i havent heard Strauss' take on this (although he might be keeping his head down after calling him an complete **** on air)

 

[without a dream]

I'm not convinced, I'll wait to see a full ECB statement, people like Vaughan are completely unimpressed so I don't know...KP's book is the first step, then the ECB response.

ECB admitted on twitter it was a document put together by their solicitors looking into countering KP's book

yes but most of the comments are from the perspective of those KP is accusing, so they're either right and KP's wrong, or he's really got a point about what they were like and up to. To be honest, I can only go off what I've seen and I've seen enough of Swann, Broad and Prior for them to come across as complete twats, but if KP's said what the ECB claim then he's had it, simple as. I'm not convinced though.

And you've not seen enough of KP to see the same? Now we have both sides people need to stop taking either one as gospel. There's no doubts English cricket has been a pretty unpleasant place for a while but there's also no doubts that KP significantly contributed to that.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

ECB admitted on twitter it was a document put together by their solicitors looking into countering KP's book

yes but most of the comments are from the perspective of those KP is accusing, so they're either right and KP's wrong, or he's really got a point about what they were like and up to. To be honest, I can only go off what I've seen and I've seen enough of Swann, Broad and Prior for them to come across as complete twats, but if KP's said what the ECB claim then he's had it, simple as. I'm not convinced though.

I dont think anyone is innocent in all this, i think both sides of the divide have done and said things that are wrong. What you say about Broad, Swann and Prior can be said of KP, before the tour he's done enough wrong to suggest he's a complete twat as well.

Interesting i havent heard Strauss' take on this (although he might be keeping his head down after calling him an complete **** on air)

he's a twat as well.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

ECB admitted on twitter it was a document put together by their solicitors looking into countering KP's book

yes but most of the comments are from the perspective of those KP is accusing, so they're either right and KP's wrong, or he's really got a point about what they were like and up to. To be honest, I can only go off what I've seen and I've seen enough of Swann, Broad and Prior for them to come across as complete twats, but if KP's said what the ECB claim then he's had it, simple as. I'm not convinced though.

And you've not seen enough of KP to see the same? Now we have both sides people need to stop taking either one as gospel. There's no doubts English cricket has been a pretty unpleasant place for a while but there's also no doubts that KP significantly contributed to that.

of course he has, the debate with him is if it was actually far less than the ECB and others have tried to portray it as. I'm not taking either side as gospel either.

 

[DelToro]

yes but most of the comments are from the perspective of those KP is accusing, so they're either right and KP's wrong, or he's really got a point about what they were like and up to. To be honest, I can only go off what I've seen and I've seen enough of Swann, Broad and Prior for them to come across as complete twats, but if KP's said what the ECB claim then he's had it, simple as. I'm not convinced though.

I dont think anyone is innocent in all this, i think both sides of the divide have done and said things that are wrong. What you say about Broad, Swann and Prior can be said of KP, before the tour he's done enough wrong to suggest he's a complete twat as well.

Interesting i havent heard Strauss' take on this (although he might be keeping his head down after calling him an complete c**t on air)

he's a twat as well.

A very successful twat of a captain though.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

I dont think anyone is innocent in all this, i think both sides of the divide have done and said things that are wrong. What you say about Broad, Swann and Prior can be said of KP, before the tour he's done enough wrong to suggest he's a complete twat as well.

Interesting i havent heard Strauss' take on this (although he might be keeping his head down after calling him an complete c**t on air)

he's a twat as well.

A very successful twat of a captain though.

indeed, but you can all these twats are successful.