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[JoeMercer'sWay]

KP has absolutely nailed this. More and more of the dossier are being proven to be either futile or bullshit. Alec Stewart has spoken and said he told the ECB that Anderson, Swann and Broad all had access to the parody account. The stuff with Carberry is bollocks, as said by Carberry himself. The stuff with James Taylor is bollocks, as said by Taylor himself and now KP has said it was a private conversation between Flower and KP where he was asked of his opinion of JT (unsurprisingly this found it's way into the media and exaggerated beyond belief, a familiar tale with private conversations involving KP).

In terms of the bullying and cliques, practically every man and his dog seem to know about it but it has been allowed to go on by the ECB, coach and captain. Shazhad has said a player was made to stand up in front of everyone at a team meeting the day after a mistake in the field and apologise. Hardly the toughness of International sport as it's being made out to be by the clique, more an absolute case of bullying. If this is in anyway related to Trott's illness then the ECB, coach, management and everyone else involved should be facing some serious questions.

Finally, for me, the most important thing in all of this is the different reactions to the KP parody account and the text messages sent between KP and Morkel. Imagine you are KP, you are in a locker room with a bullying, cliquey group of senior players who have set up a parody account to take the piss out of you in front of a worldwide audience. These are your teammates and you end up in a room with the coach and captain crying to them because you are so upset about it. They proceed to do absolutely nothing about it, with the help of the ECB. How would you feel the next time you went into that dressing room? And how would you feel about the captain and coach who you poured your heart out to, and they did nothing? Do you think it's at all plausible that you would call one of them a **** in a text message to your mate? I would.

I know that last paragraph is very much the KP side of things but I firmly believe KP had no problem with either Flower or Strauss prior to the parody account. I would say the account, and the subsequent sweeping under the carpet of it (just like they did when Swann criticised him in his own book whilst they were still teammates) is the main reason for Pietersen's attack on Strauss. I know there will be one or two other sides of all of this but that is what I believe as somewhere in the region of the truth. There is absolutely no balance in the behaviour of the ECB so you have to wonder if they have simply just wanted to get rid of him since he was dropped as captain.

Edit: Actually I know KP did have problems with Flower when he was assistant coach but I'm sure they were on good terms for a long time before the parody account.

if the dossier thing isn't correct then the ECB could find themselves in plenty of trouble because of the accusations held within it, thus one would have to assume they can defend themselves, but that will only come with a public announcement.

It does seem plenty of people are ridiculing it though. However for me the crux is exactly what KP said to the South Africans, and he hasn't exactly been forthcoming about it. If his version is correct, then it's really nothing and really a disgrace how the ECB treated him. If he's holding stuff back, then there could be little surprise that the ECB acted like they did. The South Africans are also being very quiet about it, apart from Boucher who RT'd this KP tweet:

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and they all seem pally enough to be joining up for some cricketing event in SA in a few weeks, a lot of international and ex-pros seem to be backing KP, at least to an extent, whereas the other camp seem to be made up more of individual voices (could be wrong), usually with a direct connection to the camp, inevitably batting back against the KP accusations.

The book arrives 2moz and should be an interesting read.

 

[RandomJ]

Apparently the book is mostly just KP's accusations which I find a bit disappointing. I know he has a lot he wants to get out there but he has also had an amazing career and I would have loved to have read about his great innings and other stuff from his career besides the bullying.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Apparently the book is mostly just KP's accusations which I find a bit disappointing. I know he has a lot he wants to get out there but he has also had an amazing career and I would have loved to have read about his great innings and other stuff from his career besides the bullying.

there'll be further autobiographies in future, in fact with people like Piers Morgan in his entourage I can envisage some sort of TV show when he's done, hopefully he could do something with all his international cricket friends along the line of a series of modern batting masterclasses etc.

Apparently there's the full details of an email sent to him by Dravid about playing spin in there, hopefully someone can turn that into something bigger later down the line, once KP has somewhat exhausted this war he's engaged in at the moment.

 

[BigOscar]

I'd be far more interested in hearing from Rahul Dravid about technique than KP. Dravid clearly thought everything through, I never got the impression Pieterson was doing that, more just "see ball-hit ball" with great timing and supreme hand eye coordination, like Sehwag. It might be interesting from a mentality point of view, but not particularly from a technical point of view, as his technique was frequently all over the place. I can't imagine you could get away with his technique without being supremely talented.

Dravid would be a real technical masterclass, as would someone like Ian Bell.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

I'd be far more interested in hearing from Rahul Dravid about technique than KP. Dravid clearly thought everything through, I never got the impression Pieterson was doing that, more just "see ball-hit ball" with great timing and supreme hand eye coordination, like Sehwag. It might be interesting from a mentality point of view, but not particularly from a technical point of view, as his technique was frequently all over the place. I can't imagine you could get away with his technique without being supremely talented.

Dravid would be a real technical masterclass, as would someone like Ian Bell.

well obviously, it was more a suggestion of bringing them all together throughout a series to compare and contrast, share experiences and provide a master class in their varying styles as they go along.

 

[BigOscar]

I'd be far more interested in hearing from Rahul Dravid about technique than KP. Dravid clearly thought everything through, I never got the impression Pieterson was doing that, more just "see ball-hit ball" with great timing and supreme hand eye coordination, like Sehwag. It might be interesting from a mentality point of view, but not particularly from a technical point of view, as his technique was frequently all over the place. I can't imagine you could get away with his technique without being supremely talented.

Dravid would be a real technical masterclass, as would someone like Ian Bell.

well obviously, it was more a suggestion of bringing them all together throughout a series to compare and contrast, share experiences and provide a master class in their varying styles as they go along.

My main fear is that any media thing that KP goes on to do will forever be entwined with my least favourite human being, Piers Morgan. I really enjoy the masterclasses with Atherton, Hussein and Ian Ward and find them excellent at making the subject center stage. I get the feeling that if Pieterson did one with his cricketing mates, the leech would insist on ruining it with his smarmy face and I can't imagine KP not attempting to hog the limelight either.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

I'd be far more interested in hearing from Rahul Dravid about technique than KP. Dravid clearly thought everything through, I never got the impression Pieterson was doing that, more just "see ball-hit ball" with great timing and supreme hand eye coordination, like Sehwag. It might be interesting from a mentality point of view, but not particularly from a technical point of view, as his technique was frequently all over the place. I can't imagine you could get away with his technique without being supremely talented.

Dravid would be a real technical masterclass, as would someone like Ian Bell.

well obviously, it was more a suggestion of bringing them all together throughout a series to compare and contrast, share experiences and provide a master class in their varying styles as they go along.

My main fear is that any media thing that KP goes on to do will forever be entwined with my least favourite human being, Piers Morgan. I really enjoy the masterclasses with Atherton, Hussein and Ian Ward and find them excellent at making the subject center stage. I get the feeling that if Pieterson did one with his cricketing mates, the leech would insist on ruining it with his smarmy face and I can't imagine KP not attempting to hog the limelight either.

ha, well I hate Morgan as much as anyone, but I guess I just don't get the same vibe as you over KP, and I don't think people like Dravid would give him the time of day if he was really like that, somehow.

 

[ROCKET80]

You could tell something wasn't quite right with the team when they toured here in NZ, especially with Compton.

As has been mentioned before it would be interesting to know if KP the only one to have such a dossier if so why not any of the others?

The main point I take issue with is that he took two junior members of the squad out drinking in Adelaide. Correct me if I'm wrong but were the 2 other players Bairstow, who I think was 24 at the time. The other, at the tender age of 27, was Broad.

The ECB is very much like the rags under Baconface. The journalists fear/wont print anything negative about them as they'll have their access revoked and therefore be "outside cricket" with the rest of us.

 

[jay_mcfc]

KP has absolutely nailed this. More and more of the dossier are being proven to be either futile or bullshit. Alec Stewart has spoken and said he told the ECB that Anderson, Swann and Broad all had access to the parody account. The stuff with Carberry is bollocks, as said by Carberry himself. The stuff with James Taylor is bollocks, as said by Taylor himself and now KP has said it was a private conversation between Flower and KP where he was asked of his opinion of JT (unsurprisingly this found it's way into the media and exaggerated beyond belief, a familiar tale with private conversations involving KP).

In terms of the bullying and cliques, practically every man and his dog seem to know about it but it has been allowed to go on by the ECB, coach and captain. Shazhad has said a player was made to stand up in front of everyone at a team meeting the day after a mistake in the field and apologise. Hardly the toughness of International sport as it's being made out to be by the clique, more an absolute case of bullying. If this is in anyway related to Trott's illness then the ECB, coach, management and everyone else involved should be facing some serious questions.

Finally, for me, the most important thing in all of this is the different reactions to the KP parody account and the text messages sent between KP and Morkel. Imagine you are KP, you are in a locker room with a bullying, cliquey group of senior players who have set up a parody account to take the piss out of you in front of a worldwide audience. These are your teammates and you end up in a room with the coach and captain crying to them because you are so upset about it. They proceed to do absolutely nothing about it, with the help of the ECB. How would you feel the next time you went into that dressing room? And how would you feel about the captain and coach who you poured your heart out to, and they did nothing? Do you think it's at all plausible that you would call one of them a c**t in a text message to your mate? I would.

I know that last paragraph is very much the KP side of things but I firmly believe KP had no problem with either Flower or Strauss prior to the parody account. I would say the account, and the subsequent sweeping under the carpet of it (just like they did when Swann criticised him in his own book whilst they were still teammates) is the main reason for Pietersen's attack on Strauss. I know there will be one or two other sides of all of this but that is what I believe as somewhere in the region of the truth. There is absolutely no balance in the behaviour of the ECB so you have to wonder if they have simply just wanted to get rid of him since he was dropped as captain.

Edit: Actually I know KP did have problems with Flower when he was assistant coach but I'm sure they were on good terms for a long time before the parody account.

if the dossier thing isn't correct then the ECB could find themselves in plenty of trouble because of the accusations held within it, thus one would have to assume they can defend themselves, but that will only come with a public announcement.

It does seem plenty of people are ridiculing it though. However for me the crux is exactly what KP said to the South Africans, and he hasn't exactly been forthcoming about it. If his version is correct, then it's really nothing and really a disgrace how the ECB treated him. If he's holding stuff back, then there could be little surprise that the ECB acted like they did. The South Africans are also being very quiet about it, apart from Boucher who RT'd this KP tweet:

<a class="postlink" href="http://instagram.com/p/t4zf15Sy4v/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://instagram.com/p/t4zf15Sy4v/</a>

and they all seem pally enough to be joining up for some cricketing event in SA in a few weeks, a lot of international and ex-pros seem to be backing KP, at least to an extent, whereas the other camp seem to be made up more of individual voices (could be wrong), usually with a direct connection to the camp, inevitably batting back against the KP accusations.

The book arrives 2moz and should be an interesting read.

From what I understand it seems like KP is saying that he was basically calling Strauss an idiot and the general theme of the text message was uncomplimentary. I think he flat out denies ever giving the SA's instructions on how to get him out and of calling him a ****, but accepts that he was offensive towards his skipper. However, the truth is coming out about the KP parody account and how it made him feel. He went to Strauss and Flower with those feelings and they did absolutely diddly squat so it's no wonder he was harbouring bad feelings and slagged them off behind their backs.

It seems the entire cricketing world is defending KP and ridiculing the ECB except the usual suspects; Aggers, Newman, Swann, Cork, Etheridge etc.

I think the most important thing about all of this will be if the in between players ever come out and say anything like Trott, Carberry, Finn, Tremlett, Compton, Monty etc. They are the guys that will know exactly what has gone on. Whether they will come out and say anything either way is doubtful though (except Tremlett who has already backed up KP, Shazhad the same and Alec Stewart has done him a favour too).

 

[bernabias home shirt]

From reading what i have in the past & listening to folk i'm pretty sure K.P was givin instructions via text to dale steyn on how to get Strauss out
And on that basis alone he's an utter fuckin **** & thats without the other shit he's got upto.........

Oh & so are the ECB & members of the england squad if indeed it is all true what he's saying,which is debatable.....