Cricket Thread

[Alan Harper's Tash]

They're kind of stuck with it now though aren't they? Too committed to change path. Not good enough to make the current path work and they burned their bridges by coming out and saying how much they hated playing for England before Bazball.

I fear we're in for a real period of stagnation until Stokes & friends are all retired, which could be 4/5 years.

When they’ve gone, will there be anybody with decent technique to replace them, or will they all try to hit the ball as far as they can as often as they can?

Young cricketers will follow the coin. T20 is destroying actual cricket.

 

[roman totale]

T20 is destroying actual cricket.

This. 100%.

 

[jimharri]

175 for 3, 218 all out. Thats pathetic

England being England. We invented the phenomenon of the collapse. Nothing new.

 

[melrose40yarder]

That Pope one - play straight and he'd probably have been fine, but playing at mid-on/midwicket charging... just seems like bad practice.

This chancer should not be playing for England.

 

[Slipper One]

When they’ve gone, will there be anybody with decent technique to replace them, or will they all try to hit the ball as far as they can as often as they can?

Young cricketers will follow the coin. T20 is destroying actual cricket.

Is it as simple as that though AHT?

I don't follow the cricket closely so please excuse my ignorance, but India has a strong T20 league, Australia the same, yet they both seem to be able to produce strong test match teams.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Is it as simple as that though AHT?

I don't follow the cricket closely so please excuse my ignorance, but India has a strong T20 league, Australia the same, yet they both seem to be able to produce strong test match teams.

Probably not, but both of those countries have far more participation in cricket than we do here, so weight of numbers helps them.

 

[ancoats]

They're kind of stuck with it now though aren't they? Too committed to change path. Not good enough to make the current path work and they burned their bridges by coming out and saying how much they hated playing for England before Bazball.

I fear we're in for a real period of stagnation until Stokes & friends are all retired, which could be 4/5 years.

There is a time and place for all styles of playing, But in India playing Bazball is waving the white flag and shows weakness and the lack of ability we have, I believe in test cricket and the history it holds in playing 5 hard days of cricket with bat and ball with conditions, There is no easy way to say this, But why all the rush in trying getting it over in 3 days with Bazball and smashing around the grounds, (TV) money,

Test Cricket will never die because of 20/20 cricket or ODI cricket, But it being a mainstream tv sport with superstars could die because of the people lifestyles we lead in this modern world, Instant everything with smash and grab leads sports channels viewing, We need to be showing winners every time you watch a sport and not something over 5 days that can end in a draw.

Would a simple change like (Bazball) help Test Cricket, NOPE
but taking the draw away after 5 days of cricket could, maybe a score calculator with a bonus point system for runs scored and wickets in hand, It works in rugby with a try bonus after scoring 3 try's

 

[Dr Jacoby]

I don’t know whether this is a controversial take but I think Stokes is overrated as a batsman. As an all-round cricketer, I rated Flintoff more highly.

A 4-1 defeat would be a harsh scoreline but it should really be seen as an opportunity missed, especially given some notable absentees for India.

 

[DMA's]

I don’t know whether this is a controversial take but I think Stokes is overrated as a batsman. As an all-round cricketer, I rated Flintoff more highly.

A 4-1 defeat would be a harsh scoreline but it should really be seen as an opportunity missed, especially given some notable absentees for India.

Shouldn’t be controversial at all. Even bairstow has scored more runs in this series and he is under huge pressure to keep his place.

Stokes has an average of 36 with the bat. That is pretty average. He is capable of brilliant match changing innings but I wouldn’t say he is a world class batsman tbh. Very over rated imo

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I don’t know whether this is a controversial take but I think Stokes is overrated as a batsman. As an all-round cricketer, I rated Flintoff more highly.

A 4-1 defeat would be a harsh scoreline but it should really be seen as an opportunity missed, especially given some notable absentees for India.

I've thought for a while that he's overrated. He has had a few star shows with the bat which are vital, but I think they distort the overall picture and today (for example) he didn't seem as if he could be bothered. That's what annoys me about him.

40 was always the benchmark for a batsman's average, but he's a bowler too and all-rounders get some leeway on that. 36 is very good for an allrounder; it's a bit shy of star level for a batsman.
Collingwood somehow averaged 40.

Contrastingly, he's only marginally behind Allan Lamb who was only a batsman. His batting record is very similar to Bairstow's.