Crippled By Control

i don't know much about peps new right hand man but the team seems to mirror him,he sits slumped in his seat looking like he's gonna nod off and contributes the square root of fuck all from what i can see, pep always seemed to be having animated discussions with arteta and domenec torrent but this bloke never moves for 90min
 
It's not often I wake up still fuming about a football performance these days but last night has really irked me. I know some won't like this because we're seen as babies spitting dummies out etc, feel free to scroll past.

But there was something very different about last night. No energy, no spirit, no desire. I absolutely hate this word and the context it gets used in but we showed no real passion to go and get the win. I remember when Mancini was in charge and if we were drawing in the second half at some point we would throw the kitchen sink at the opposition. He would make subs, move players around and even have 3/4 strikers on the pitch. The desire, effort and quality would always get us over the line. In these past 18 months under Pep we don't have that. If we're drawing after an hour, or god forbid losing, no one has any confidence that we'll do enough to go force a win.

Now don't get me wrong we have lost a lot of quality from the squad. We are bare in positions we were once loaded.

But that doesn't excuse the lack of passion, will to win and all the other intangibles you inevetibly need to progress to get from our current level to the next.

So what's the reason? Well we've had all the excuses. If only we bench Mahrez. If only we had a competent centre back. Wait until our full backs are fit. It's the inverted wingers. It's Jesus. Bla bla bla we could go on forever but the reality is this has been a slow regression for 18 months culminating in performances that are so soulless we have to start looking beyond team selections. There are only so many variations of players and formations you can try.

So my conclusion is that we are crippled by control. The players look like they are worn down playing like they're robots where they are expected to keep possession and position 100% of the time. What happened to our fluidity? I was watching Foden play last night and after a shit first half he began to play well in the second. He was buzzing around, moving laterally and looking to play through balls in tight spaces. What happened? He was hooked off. Can't do that I'm afraid, Mr Foden. We must keep possession at all times. We have become a no risk low reward team. What happened to our intuition? What happened to our players fizzing around and creating chances through their genius? They look hamstrung to me. Devoid of ideas and playing without any fun. In fact they look pained. Pained by control and pained by what happens if they go against what they're told and god forbid give the ball away on the opposition's 18 yard line. They are playing without any expression.

The other side of crippled by control is covid. If we know one thing about Pep it's that he gasses players out after a few years. Covid must multiply this tenfold. Not only are the players controlled by government guidelines as to what they can and cannot do I can only imagine what the club are relaying to them about their responsibilities. Don't go out, don't go to a restaurant, don't take your kids to a park, don't go on holiday etc. I'm sure being a player for Pep there are times when you need a break, to get away and don't think about football. They obviously can't do that.

I know that we're all in the same position with the last part. Life is shit right now and we can't blame Pep or the club for that.

But Pep can help with the control on the field by allowing the players to express themselves. Trust them, they're half decent. Play De Bruyne deeper, lose the double pivot, get an extra attacker on the pitch and start showing the desire to go and win a game. Don't sit around after the game and say only one team wanted to win, we had 20 chances, we controlled the game etc. Trust your defence, this is the best one we've had for a long time with more options than ever. Allow your players to make mistakes in the search to unlocking doors.

Take the shackles off, we have nothing to lose.

I respect your analysis but I politely disagree about opening up. I just think we will get sucker punched in our current guise.

The 5-2 against Leicester was Pep's heaviest ever defeat as a manager, I think it's really spooked him and we won't open up until we have pace in the centre again. Rodri has been a disastrous signing (no fault of his own, he's just out of his depth) and I never expected us to miss David Silva this much.
 
I respect your analysis but I politely disagree about opening up. I just think we will get sucker punched in our current guise.

The 5-2 against Leicester was Pep's heaviest ever defeat as a manager, I think it's really spooked him and we won't open up until we have pace in the centre again. Rodri has been a disastrous signing (no fault of his own, he's just out of his depth) and I never expected us to miss David Silva this much.
The Leicester game was the one example where he went for it by taking out Fern for Delap. But that wasn’t the game to do it.. Vardy up front and Garcia and Ake at the back. We’re a different animal now.

And you’re falling into the Rodri trap. Fans might think he’s a bad signing and he’s slowing us down but the man that matters doesn’t. Pep had played Rodri for more minutes than anyone else because he’s doing the exact job that Pep wants him to.
 
Just seen this headline in The Athletic:

"Unlike Liverpool last season, City aren't playing like losing the title hurt"

I've not read the article because I'm not a subscriber, but I agree with the sentiment. I thought Liverpool showed much more willingness to take risks and more positive against Spurs, then we did in the derby against United. As Pep himself said in All or Nothing, you have to learn to play football with courage. If you want titles and to be remembered as a great team, you have to be bold, impose yourself on games, and take the initiative. It's what got us 100 points and a domestic treble. At the moment we're not playing like a team that badly wants to be champions again.
 
Good post Jay, We’re just in a funk right now. Creating loads of chances but just not putting them away. We’re working in crowded spaces. We need to speed things up and open up the game a bit which means we need another playing style to draw teams out.
 
I respect your analysis but I politely disagree about opening up. I just think we will get sucker punched in our current guise.

The 5-2 against Leicester was Pep's heaviest ever defeat as a manager, I think it's really spooked him and we won't open up until we have pace in the centre again. Rodri has been a disastrous signing (no fault of his own, he's just out of his depth) and I never expected us to miss David Silva this much.
It wasn't heaviest.

4-0 loss vs Everton was the heaviest. Or 4-0 loss vs Real
 
It's not often I wake up still fuming about a football performance these days but last night has really irked me. I know some won't like this because we're seen as babies spitting dummies out etc, feel free to scroll past.

But there was something very different about last night. No energy, no spirit, no desire. I absolutely hate this word and the context it gets used in but we showed no real passion to go and get the win. I remember when Mancini was in charge and if we were drawing in the second half at some point we would throw the kitchen sink at the opposition. He would make subs, move players around and even have 3/4 strikers on the pitch. The desire, effort and quality would always get us over the line. In these past 18 months under Pep we don't have that. If we're drawing after an hour, or god forbid losing, no one has any confidence that we'll do enough to go force a win.

Now don't get me wrong we have lost a lot of quality from the squad. We are bare in positions we were once loaded.

But that doesn't excuse the lack of passion, will to win and all the other intangibles you inevetibly need to progress to get from our current level to the next.

So what's the reason? Well we've had all the excuses. If only we bench Mahrez. If only we had a competent centre back. Wait until our full backs are fit. It's the inverted wingers. It's Jesus. Bla bla bla we could go on forever but the reality is this has been a slow regression for 18 months culminating in performances that are so soulless we have to start looking beyond team selections. There are only so many variations of players and formations you can try.

So my conclusion is that we are crippled by control. The players look like they are worn down playing like they're robots where they are expected to keep possession and position 100% of the time. What happened to our fluidity? I was watching Foden play last night and after a shit first half he began to play well in the second. He was buzzing around, moving laterally and looking to play through balls in tight spaces. What happened? He was hooked off. Can't do that I'm afraid, Mr Foden. We must keep possession at all times. We have become a no risk low reward team. What happened to our intuition? What happened to our players fizzing around and creating chances through their genius? They look hamstrung to me. Devoid of ideas and playing without any fun. In fact they look pained. Pained by control and pained by what happens if they go against what they're told and god forbid give the ball away on the opposition's 18 yard line. They are playing without any expression.

The other side of crippled by control is covid. If we know one thing about Pep it's that he gasses players out after a few years. Covid must multiply this tenfold. Not only are the players controlled by government guidelines as to what they can and cannot do I can only imagine what the club are relaying to them about their responsibilities. Don't go out, don't go to a restaurant, don't take your kids to a park, don't go on holiday etc. I'm sure being a player for Pep there are times when you need a break, to get away and don't think about football. They obviously can't do that.

I know that we're all in the same position with the last part. Life is shit right now and we can't blame Pep or the club for that.

But Pep can help with the control on the field by allowing the players to express themselves. Trust them, they're half decent. Play De Bruyne deeper, lose the double pivot, get an extra attacker on the pitch and start showing the desire to go and win a game. Don't sit around after the game and say only one team wanted to win, we had 20 chances, we controlled the game etc. Trust your defence, this is the best one we've had for a long time with more options than ever. Allow your players to make mistakes in the search to unlocking doors.

Take the shackles off, we have nothing to lose.
Very good post. Teams like the red scouse and the filth seem to overwhelm sides with sheer force of personality and willingness to take risks- we lack in both of these attributes imo
 
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It's not often I wake up still fuming about a football performance these days but last night has really irked me. I know some won't like this because we're seen as babies spitting dummies out etc, feel free to scroll past.

But there was something very different about last night. No energy, no spirit, no desire. I absolutely hate this word and the context it gets used in but we showed no real passion to go and get the win. I remember when Mancini was in charge and if we were drawing in the second half at some point we would throw the kitchen sink at the opposition. He would make subs, move players around and even have 3/4 strikers on the pitch. The desire, effort and quality would always get us over the line. In these past 18 months under Pep we don't have that. If we're drawing after an hour, or god forbid losing, no one has any confidence that we'll do enough to go force a win.

Now don't get me wrong we have lost a lot of quality from the squad. We are bare in positions we were once loaded.

But that doesn't excuse the lack of passion, will to win and all the other intangibles you inevetibly need to progress to get from our current level to the next.

So what's the reason? Well we've had all the excuses. If only we bench Mahrez. If only we had a competent centre back. Wait until our full backs are fit. It's the inverted wingers. It's Jesus. Bla bla bla we could go on forever but the reality is this has been a slow regression for 18 months culminating in performances that are so soulless we have to start looking beyond team selections. There are only so many variations of players and formations you can try.

So my conclusion is that we are crippled by control. The players look like they are worn down playing like they're robots where they are expected to keep possession and position 100% of the time. What happened to our fluidity? I was watching Foden play last night and after a shit first half he began to play well in the second. He was buzzing around, moving laterally and looking to play through balls in tight spaces. What happened? He was hooked off. Can't do that I'm afraid, Mr Foden. We must keep possession at all times. We have become a no risk low reward team. What happened to our intuition? What happened to our players fizzing around and creating chances through their genius? They look hamstrung to me. Devoid of ideas and playing without any fun. In fact they look pained. Pained by control and pained by what happens if they go against what they're told and god forbid give the ball away on the opposition's 18 yard line. They are playing without any expression.

The other side of crippled by control is covid. If we know one thing about Pep it's that he gasses players out after a few years. Covid must multiply this tenfold. Not only are the players controlled by government guidelines as to what they can and cannot do I can only imagine what the club are relaying to them about their responsibilities. Don't go out, don't go to a restaurant, don't take your kids to a park, don't go on holiday etc. I'm sure being a player for Pep there are times when you need a break, to get away and don't think about football. They obviously can't do that.

I know that we're all in the same position with the last part. Life is shit right now and we can't blame Pep or the club for that.

But Pep can help with the control on the field by allowing the players to express themselves. Trust them, they're half decent. Play De Bruyne deeper, lose the double pivot, get an extra attacker on the pitch and start showing the desire to go and win a game. Don't sit around after the game and say only one team wanted to win, we had 20 chances, we controlled the game etc. Trust your defence, this is the best one we've had for a long time with more options than ever. Allow your players to make mistakes in the search to unlocking doors.

Take the shackles off, we have nothing to lose.
Good post. Never seen a post get 60 likes before. Well done.
Excellent post jay & you may just be right but I fear we’ll need to change the manager for this to happen .
 
Great post. The fear and caution in our play is palpable. As is the lack of courage and willingness to take a risk. We look over-engineered to the point that we show very little creative spontaneity. I don't blame the manager for that, .
 
We do not have a plan B , every team that parks the bus knows exactly what to do , even a £500m Rag team wouldnt take us on , only the Dippers have the temerity to attack us but on their last visit they were quite happy to shut up shop and take the draw.
The players we have in form are as follows Ederson , Walker , Cancelo , Dias , Stones , Laporte , KDB , Mahrez , Foden, Gundogan , Torres , some may disagree with this selection but we should mould the tactics around the form players and not play the same formation/tactics.

Ederson
Stones Dias Laporte
Walker Gundogan Cancelo
Mahrez Foden KDB Torres

we havent got a fit or inform stiker , so we play a false nine , Gundogan as the deep holding midfielder , Walker and Cancelo given permission to attack and play like wingers , KDB & Foden to create and Torres & Mahrez to alternate as the false nine

continually selecting under performing players like Sterling , Rodri , Mendy , Jesus to suit Pep's predictable tactics are costing us points , ive excluded Aguero because he is never fit and Dinho cannot be expected to play three games a week at nearly 36 years old.

Just my thoughts on what i think would improve our current form , because or current , dreary style of play isnt working.
 
The lack of any desire to win the Derby was annoying - they were almost asking to get get beat! There's two minutes to go, we're not winning and we're still making twenty passes to advance five yards further forward, it's annoying. The absence of Foden in the team is annoying. The club not signing a striker for 4 years is annoying. Apart from that it's not too bad.
 
We do not have a plan B , every team that parks the bus knows exactly what to do , even a £500m Rag team wouldnt take us on , only the Dippers have the temerity to attack us but on their last visit they were quite happy to shut up shop and take the draw.
The players we have in form are as follows Ederson , Walker , Cancelo , Dias , Stones , Laporte , KDB , Mahrez , Foden, Gundogan , Torres , some may disagree with this selection but we should mould the tactics around the form players and not play the same formation/tactics.

Ederson
Stones Dias Laporte
Walker Gundogan Cancelo
Mahrez Foden KDB Torres

we havent got a fit or inform stiker , so we play a false nine , Gundogan as the deep holding midfielder , Walker and Cancelo given permission to attack and play like wingers , KDB & Foden to create and Torres & Mahrez to alternate as the false nine

continually selecting under performing players like Sterling , Rodri , Mendy , Jesus to suit Pep's predictable tactics are costing us points , ive excluded Aguero because he is never fit and Dinho cannot be expected to play three games a week at nearly 36 years old.

Just my thoughts on what i think would improve our current form , because or current , dreary style of play isnt working.
You’re correct apart from Leeds took us on and matched us. That’s how far we’ve fallen off over the last 2 years ago. Hope I’m proven wrong but if Leeds try that against the rags tomorrow I think the rags will run 4 or 5 in.
 
Wow!

When I wrote this I wasn’t completely convinced that it was definitely the case. I was thinking about various things that had happened over 12-18 months and things started to come together.

I’ve just listened to the Bluemoon podcast and there’s a 2 minute clip in there from Guardiola’s post WBA press conference. He was asked about the attack and why we weren’t scoring more goals. His response was staggering. He just started talking about the control the defense has. Then he talked about how we controlled the game. Then he talked about controlling the possession and their counter attack. And then finally, just when you think he couldn’t talk about control any more he actually said we couldn’t control the left side with Foden and Mendy!

Lads, it’s right there in front of us. It has been for a long time as his actions and words have been telling us. All the things that fans are not happy about are HIS game plan. They are 18 months in the making, they’re not happening by accident, but by design. He is only interested in control. We are not gonna drop the double pivot, our full backs aren’t gonna start rampaging up the wing, Foden is not gonna play in 8, KDB is not gonna play deeper, we’re not gonna play quicker or with a high, intense press. We are methodical, robotic, position and possession based team. Rodri plays because he’s doing EXACTLY what Pep wants him to.

Pep hasn’t just let bad form fester for 18 months without realizing. He’s created what we are. The sooner fans accept this everything else becomes clearer and all the talk of dropping Rodri, moving players, playing quicker etc is completely fruitless.

I disagree, myself.

But, your posts do remind me of watching pep's Barcelona lose to Chelsea in the CL a few years ago. Can't remember who it was that was punditating, might have been Souness, that was arguing that Barcelona's world class players looked so systematically well drilled that they almost looked brainwashed, going through the motions but unable to think what to try to win the game. So i read your posts, and that echoes in my head.


Now, the reason i disagree now, as i did then, is simply, one goal makes all the difference. Messi missed a penalty that game, and the woodwork was hit a few times. If that game was won i think Barcelona would have won the competition. And Pep would have been lauded as a true to the system perfectionist genius.

Similarly, kev scores his pen, sterling scores one of his chances to make any of our draws a win, and we are right up there at the top. And rather than criticising boring football and lack of courage, i imagine many would be praising pragmatism and caution to control the league in this odd season of covid and var outside influences.

I've said on other threads, i do wish he would try alternatives late when we need a win, even desperate ones. But that he is knowingly looking to sacrifice winning just to maintain a system of control, i can't buy into. He is pursuing it because he thinks that is the way to win games and maintain success. With a few margins and goals, he is right. With a bunch of missed chances, all up for debate.
 
We do not have a plan B , every team that parks the bus knows exactly what to do , even a £500m Rag team wouldnt take us on , only the Dippers have the temerity to attack us but on their last visit they were quite happy to shut up shop and take the draw.
The players we have in form are as follows Ederson , Walker , Cancelo , Dias , Stones , Laporte , KDB , Mahrez , Foden, Gundogan , Torres , some may disagree with this selection but we should mould the tactics around the form players and not play the same formation/tactics.

Ederson
Stones Dias Laporte
Walker Gundogan Cancelo
Mahrez Foden KDB Torres

we havent got a fit or inform stiker , so we play a false nine , Gundogan as the deep holding midfielder , Walker and Cancelo given permission to attack and play like wingers , KDB & Foden to create and Torres & Mahrez to alternate as the false nine

continually selecting under performing players like Sterling , Rodri , Mendy , Jesus to suit Pep's predictable tactics are costing us points , ive excluded Aguero because he is never fit and Dinho cannot be expected to play three games a week at nearly 36 years old.

Just my thoughts on what i think would improve our current form , because or current , dreary style of play isnt working.
Have to respectfully disagree when you describe KDB as in form. Agree with most of your post though, particularly the blind loyalty to Sterling and Rodri.
 
He seems to really value things that to me and you don’t matter and not really be concerned about the things we thin are staring us in the face

he says Rodri is the best in the world at recieving the ball facing the defence, to me so what he’s glacially slow and a nothing passer

obsesses about having a left footer at cb and in midfield “for the passes” then makes us look completely unbalanced by picking 2 right footers at lb and lw

says Jesus is the best in the world at closing defenders down, but I see someone who’s not even 5/10 in the box with movement and finishing

Drops Foden for weeks for giving the ball away, plays Mahrez week after week when all the attacks break down with him making the wrong choice
 

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