Crunch Time in the US

[Matty]

President Biden - America's guns wouldnt be safe with him in charge (Not that they will be anyway)

And why should they be 'safe'. Americans, for generations, have used an outdated section of the constitution to hold onto their own personal arsenals. The 'right to bear arms' dates back to a time when they were required to defend oneself on a far more regular basis. Nowadays there is no requirement for your average citizen to have a Smith and Wesson under their pillow and an AK-47 in their gunrack. America will become a far safer place once the government straps on a set and cracks down on gun ownership.

 

[ElanJo]

President Biden - America's guns wouldnt be safe with him in charge (Not that they will be anyway)

And why should they be 'safe'. Americans, for generations, have used an outdated section of the constitution to hold onto their own personal arsenals. The 'right to bear arms' dates back to a time when they were required to defend oneself on a far more regular basis. Nowadays there is no requirement for your average citizen to have a Smith and Wesson under their pillow and an AK-47 in their gunrack. America will become a far safer place once the government straps on a set and cracks down on gun ownership.

I suggest you read the writings of the founding fathers as to why the "right to bear arms" was included.

 

[Matty]

President Biden - America's guns wouldnt be safe with him in charge (Not that they will be anyway)

And why should they be 'safe'. Americans, for generations, have used an outdated section of the constitution to hold onto their own personal arsenals. The 'right to bear arms' dates back to a time when they were required to defend oneself on a far more regular basis. Nowadays there is no requirement for your average citizen to have a Smith and Wesson under their pillow and an AK-47 in their gunrack. America will become a far safer place once the government straps on a set and cracks down on gun ownership.

I suggest you read the writings of the founding fathers as to why the "right to bear arms" was included.

Go on then, enlighten me.

And whilst you're at it explain to me why it is neccessary in this day and age to own a gun?

I've no doubt you'll come out with some "civil liberty", "Freedom of choice" response which doesn't address the obvious dangers of allowing pretty much anyone to own a weapon.

 

[scall11]

I fear he'll be assassinated. Although once it becomes clear that he's going to win the election, the Secret Service will swoop in, surround his house and from then on give him protection not far off George Bush has, so he'll be in safe hands. However, I was speaking to a bodyguard of Tony Blairs, and their way of looking at it was if someone really wants to kill him, they will. The bodyguards will do everything in their power to stop it from happening, but if someone really really wants to do it, they will.

I really hope it does happen though. I've seen the staff surrounding him, very young, it's got a twist of Kennedy youth to his campaign. Just what we need. McCain would be the oldest person elected as President, and that's saying something!

Someone on the radio said in a couple of years, just imagine the sight of Obama and David Cameron walking around Camp David in their jeans and tshirts.....

 

[Frank the Yank]

Scall-obama already had Secret Service protection up the wazzu. Yiou think people would want to off Obama more than they want to see Bush dead??

Matty-you might think that all us Yanks are armed to the teeth and have guns in every room of the house. Thats simply not true. As a New Yorker it is nigh IMPOSSIBLE for me to legally have a gun in my house and impossible to get a carry permit. This is true in most major urban areas. BTW the cities that have the toughest anti gun laws have some of the higest murder rates i.e. only the criminal have weapons. When I moved into my flat here in suburban Queens I thought about getting a weapon for to keep only in my apartment but nixed the idea.

 

[Joycee Banercheck]

I hope Obama gets in. If not; David Palmer for President!!!!

 

[ElanJo]

I suggest you read the writings of the founding fathers as to why the "right to bear arms" was included.

Go on then, enlighten me.

And whilst you're at it explain to me why it is neccessary in this day and age to own a gun?

I've no doubt you'll come out with some "civil liberty", "Freedom of choice" response which doesn't address the obvious dangers of allowing pretty much anyone to own a weapon.

I still suggest you make an effort to enlighten yourself , as they are far more qualified than me on such matters, but heres a few general points that you don't hear much on the BBC etc:

Well, apart from freedom, as you mention there are the important aspects of retaining your freedom/life, such as:

- Protection of your life, family, liberty, community, country and property against criminals or terrorists (who aren't going to abide by laws)
- Protection of your life, family, liberty, community, country and property against foreign state invasion
- Protection of your life, family, liberty, community, country and property against your own government

If you disarm the citizens, you leave only criminals and government the ability to defend themselves , and attack others.
It also creates a black market, which in turn creates gang-violence/culture (similar to the flawed "war on drugs" in this aspect)
Massacres still exist, as we all know here. Massacres are happening in "gun free zones" in the US.
I bet those that died on 9/11 would have liked the chance for the Airlines to have had the ability to gun down the terrorists before they all died from impact, jet fuel, being crushed to death, sliced in half by falling glass panels, suffocation, or even being forced to choose whether they burn to death or jump out of the fucking towers. But no, Government wouldn't allow them that.

There will always be evil people in society. You cant legislate morality. I'd rather put up with the inconveniences of freedom, rather than put up with the inconvenience of a lack freedom. A country where everyone is armed isn't a threat to the country itself, but a country with no arms is easy pickings. Just think, someone who is pro-gun will always be so no matter what criminals throw at them...whereas those that are anti-gun have a fair chance of turning pro-gun after they have been assaulted, robbed or raped at gun point.

For me, the 2nd amendment is not outdated. To say such a thing is to say freedom(and, more importantly, the act of preserving it) is outdated. Absurd, of course.

 

[Matty]

And your opinion of the UK, bearing in mind we DON'T own guns (or at least very, very few of us do)? Would you say we lacked freedom?

When, exactly, was the last time a first world nation had to protect itsle, with firearms, against it's own government?

Has America EVER been invaded?

Plus I think the gang violence ship has well and truly sailed in America, certainly in some areas, where the ownership of guns simply makes murder far far easier.

The presence of firearms on planes would no doubt lead to MORE hijackings, not less. And that's before you consider the inherant dangers with firing a gun in a pressurised plane!

Britain hasn't even been successfully invaded since 1066! I'd hardly call that 'easy pickings'.

The fact that members of the general public can own guns in America means criminals carry guns more often. In the UK your average burglar will most likely run if discovered, and it's highly unlikely he'll be carrying a gun. In America, where the householder may well be armed, the criminal isn't going to want to turn his back and flee, he'll want to defend himself, potentially with deadly force.

We have an issue with knife crime at present, but it pales into insignificance when considered to the gun crime issue in America.

 

[mat]

Hasn't "the right to bear arms" been grossly misinterpreted?

If I remember it's to fulfill your military requirements, not to carry your own. Which has since been twisted by the NRA?

 

[LEE BRADBURY]

Who would ever have thought of a black man in the white house, even the red necks in the Deep South love Obama according to Sky News?