Crystal Palace (N) | FA Cup Final | Post Match Thread

Tactics were fine.

Just not our day plus shit officiating.
Which tactics? The pass it sideways constantly and have no defensive cover when teams break on us? Pushing fullbacks into attacking midfield so there's a really obvious out ball for any team?

The tactics have been failing all season and were exposed every time Palace attacked. Hopefully the Bournemouth manager didn't bother to watch us against Southampton or yesterday otherwise I think I know how they may play on Tuesday
 
23 attempts but not many clear cut.
How many of them were Doku shooting from the edge of the area or KDB shooting from outside the box in desperation.

They sat back and allowed us to come at them and we had no way of cutting through.

No plan B, a poor plan A and players who aren’t good enough at this level or too old to do it anymore.

Our XG was 2.23, take out the penalty which would be 0.99 it’s 1.22 from 22 shots.
That shows the quality of our attempts.
Why would you take out the penalty was that not clear cut enough for you?We had enough clear cut chances and the keeper made 5 or 6 decent to good saves.If he wasn't on the pitch who knows?Likelihood we create more against 10 men aswell and inferior back up keeper doesn't save penalty straight after coming on
 
Ffs - pass pass pass! Tippy tappy! sideways! etc etc
All the top teams (barring Liverpool and that's unsustainable without constant replacement), play similarly. R Madrid, PSG, Bayern, Barcelona.
The style of play is right (needs to speed up a bit - but the present/yesterday's team isn't good enough to execute it), when you have elite players that can turn a game in one instant. Unfortunately we have fewer and fewer of those.
We do need to shoot more from the edge of the area admittedly - if only Dias could shoot - had 4 clear sights yesterday, but passed left - yes Sideways, but again, that's confidence and ability.
 
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Rooney doesn't understand VAR. The referee was unsighted so didn't see the play, the linesman was behind the play so couldn't see if the handling was in the box or not, so couldn't advise or overule the ref, so no foul was given on field. VAR can ONLY overrule the on-field decision if EITHER it was a penalty, OR it was a red card offense - either a serious foul or denial of an obvious goal opportunity by the last defender. We all agree it was outside the box, so VAR can't interfere on that basis as it therefore couldn't be a penalty. Erling hadn't actually touched the ball before Dean got a hand to it, so it clearly wasn't in his control, so it fails on the denial of a goal opportunity point as well. VAR therefore could not have interfered. Yes, you can argue that Erling probably would have got the ball under control if Dean didn't push it aside, but that's not the test: did he have the ball under control at that moment? No, clearly not.
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Relatively neutral here, A TEAM beat a collection of individuals yesterday. There's a photo on facebook of Foden, his Mrs and one of his son's all glammed up for some event or other. Doubt there's similar of Palace players. Too much
celebrity status, has it all gone to there heads?
If Henderson hadn't used his hand the ball would have gone past him into the area, and Haaland would have been more likely to reach the ball first (as he was moving forwards) for a tap in. - I don't think the ball had sufficient momentum to go out for a goal kick. Or Henderson could have brought him down for a penalty.
Atwell and his assistants were unsighted, but VAR screwed up.
 
And how many saves did our keeper have to make?

We were the better team by far, it just didn't go for us today. These games happen.
2, and 1 of them went in!

Maybe there is the problem, happens far too often.

Their keeper who is average at best makes half a dozen saves, saves a Pen and keeps a clean sheet.

Ours has 2 saves to make and only makes 1.

I guarantee, if Palace got a Pen, they score it.
 
Turgid Tuesday coming up.
I keep seeing and hearing assertions that we must win both remaining League matches to have any chance of making the top 5. But look at the arithmetic. If we win and draw that takes us to 69 points and a minimum GD of 25. Forest are then out of the running because their maximum points total is 68. But also Villa would need to win their final game 16-0 to match us on points and GD, moving ahead on goals scored. Is that likely? So two of the current seven in contention should finish behind us if we win and draw. Not that there's any guarantee of 4 points, far from it!
 
If Henderson hadn't used his hand the ball would have gone past him into the area, and Haaland would have been more likely to reach the ball first (as he was moving forwards) for a tap in. - I don't think the ball had sufficient momentum to go out for a goal kick. Or Henderson could have brought him down for a penalty.
Atwell and his assistants were unsighted, but VAR screwed up.
The Lino had a perfect view or as near perfect as possible and bottled it. Twatwell should never referee a top class game again. Week after week either on the pitch or on VAR he is shockingly inept
 
Probably already been discussed but someone told me Rooney called us cheats live on tv if that’s the case the werewolf faced rag scouse twat needs sacking
 
2, and 1 of them went in!

Maybe there is the problem, happens far too often.

Their keeper who is average at best makes half a dozen saves, saves a Pen and keeps a clean sheet.

Ours has 2 saves to make and only makes 1.

I guarantee, if Palace got a Pen, they score it.
Akanji couldn’t keep up to get a block in and the ball practically went under Ortega.
Piss poor goal to concede
 
£500,000 a week and you can’t take a penalty in a cup final. As a striker you should be relishing that opportunity. At that stage Kev should have stepped up as a senior player to take it. Really poor leadership in this side.

The penalty fiasco incapsulates our season, no one wants to step up and take responsibility. The new comer who’s only been here a few months takes it rather than some of the so called leaders in the team. Far too many of our players have sulked or gone hiding, Walker was quick to vanish to Milan when he saw there were younger players coming in. Foden has been completely anonymous, why is Haaland on the pitch if he doesn’t back himself to score from a penalty?

There’s only Gvardiol who can walk away from this season with any sort of pride. The rest have been awful, teams naturally fall off after success but we aren’t seeing the grit from the players to put it right.
 
In the spirit of the argument "yes, Henderson should have been sent off, but you got a soft penalty", which would you have preferred in totally isolated scenarios: Playing against 10 men for 65 minutes, or gotten a penalty?

I'm not saying the pen was soft, btw, but it is what's been peddled by non-City people.
 
Have we got Pep for two more seasons?
Just over a month ago, we put five past Palace, after going two down, in fact nearly three nil down.
Yesterday was one of those recent classic examples of how, with our current creative and goal scoring ability’s, we wouldn’t score in a month.
We should and could have won, Aguero would have put two of our attempts, maybe three, in the roof of the net, not at the keeper to make a save.
Haaland isn’t technically gifted as a player and, strange that our last two games whilst he’s played, we haven’t scored?!
Too many players are a shadow of themselves, too old, slow and why the fuck didn’t Haaland take the pen?!
I’m led to believe that Foden has some anxiety and mental health issues, he wears a comfort bandage on his wrist.
He looked scared yesterday after coming on, didn’t want the ball.
We can bleat about the handball decision all we want, it is what it is, we should be out scoring teams after conceding a good goal like their winner, we got caught out, badly, again!
Akanji and Dias couldn’t make an effective or incisive pass as long as they’ve got a hole in their arse, they dither on the ball, get too far up the pitch and leave us at risk.
Similarly Guardiol and O’Riely, who looked devoid of confidence and overawed after recent good games.
Savinho is the least Brazilian looking Brazilian I’ve ever seen, worst player on the pitch, by a country mile.
KDB unfortunately has gone, his passing was woeful, loads of effort, but failed miserably.
Doku is a headless chicken, Haaland, what does he bring? fuck all if he doesn’t move, get in goal scoring positions or get service.
Bernardo was probably our best player, but again lacked creativity and incisiveness.
Marmoush, he’s taken 4 pens before and missed three, huffed and puffed, looked lost.
When we’re bringing Gundog on and a kid we’ve never seen, who to be fair, got in some good positions, looked lively and gave them something to think about, we can safely say we’re at the end, big rebuild and blood some more kids a bit quicker.
We might see some tinkering in America, because Pep has got the biggest challenge of his career.
After the efforts of the last 6 or 7 years, the squad is physically and, now mentally breaking down.
They’re just fucked, some too old to get through it and we try to do what we once did, but can’t, with the odd exception.
Pep will need to change a little, the way we play next season, or we’ll have a similar one.
If Pep has shown his arse any this last 18 months, because it all started going pear shaped half way through last season, earlier for a couple of players, then it’s not buying the replacements we needed, in the last couple of windows.
Let’s see what summer brings, who he takes to the pre season Club World cup bollox and, cross everything and he finds the perfect answer for next season.
If we have a stinker again, by our standards, then it’s bye bye I think, but who’s lined up to replace Pep and his team, it a massive, no, humongous issue, or we could find ourselves in a bit of a pickle for a while.
So, Wharton ran the show, get him signed up, great kid, if we don’t go for him, we need a good slap.
We need a Kompany type captain, we need a KDB and Silva, we need an Aguero, we need a Pep tweak that works and makes opponents change tactics against us or struggle to defend.
 
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We'll be fine either way. A year out of the champions league isn't going to stop our progression.
It will fuck up recruitment badly. Now if our scouts were anyway adept at picking up future stars instead of spunking money on established ones who are mostly below the standard required you may have a point.
 
I keep seeing and hearing assertions that we must win both remaining League matches to have any chance of making the top 5. But look at the arithmetic. If we win and draw that takes us to 69 points and a minimum GD of 25. Forest are then out of the running because their maximum points total is 68. But also Villa would need to win their final game 16-0 to match us on points and GD, moving ahead on goals scored. Is that likely? So two of the current seven in contention should finish behind us if we win and draw. Not that there's any guarantee of 4 points, far from it!
Should have said top seven: Liverpool have of course already qualified.
 
Had time to reflect on yesterday now after another disappointing Wembley final and only getting back home in the early hours.

The line up from Pep seemed attacking. Yet we didn't create much and even fewer clear cut chances. Clearly that is in part down to palace, but there was also much missing from our play on terms of urgency, ideas and or course quality.

But my biggest problem was in changing a winning team, especially defensively. I kind of get Haaland having a quiet game, he does nothing then scores IF you set him up - although the lack of appetite to take a penalty in the final is worrying - but it should have been painfully obvious yet again that we were not connecting on the pitch. As much as I understand akanji playing, in a game like yesterday how can we justify Nunes or even Lewis not stating as right back? That cross he tried just summed it up. Great lad, great effort, but never going to be able to put a cross in to save his life. Whilst we have on the bench Nunes who, for all his defensive issues, has set up Haaland several times this season.

Similar story on the other side for me with Doku and Jack. Doku is a great one on one or even two on one player. But end product is iffy, and we have Jack who can win us a free kick to get some crosses in, where we actually had some success early on against Palace.

Kev was slowing everything down and not taking up great positions, and I'm sad to say I thought that performance pretty much ends any sentiment for me no on him going. We'll look back with love, after the next two games.

Dias, we may as well have played another midfielder there. Mr Sideways. All in all, a shite day. Even the bar at wealdstone was buggered by 1pm.

Bournemouth has now become huge. Congrats to Palace, even if you were incredibly lucky to not have had your goalie sent off who then went on to save a penalty. I'll await the PGMOL apology to arrive sometime after hell freezes over. Taking the ball away from goal? Pfft. Do they mean the goalie with his hand outside the area, because in that case yes he does, but that's not the biggest issue in that phase of play! If he doesn't touch it the ball is literally heading towards the open goal. Just another rashford off side "oopsie" moment then, funny how we get a lot of those when Atwell is around

I'd normally say we didn't do enough to win, and it's borderline. But we'll truly never know because if that card is given, if that penalty is scored, it's a whole different game and Palace's low block and time wasting become more shakey.
 

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