Crystal Palace (N) | FA Cup Final | Post Match Thread

The thing is with the shit handball/red card decision, every team gets shit decisions against them. Palace had a pretty naff decision go against them for our penalty imo - Bernardo start going down before Mitchell's tackle came in, we just didn't make it count so it's not a talking point. If Marmoush buries the penalty and Palace collapse then it would be all about "Cheating oil City buying the refs again".

Point is, we've had tonnes of shit decisions against us under Pep, we've just usually been so good that they didn't matter. We had another hour to score a goal and didn't - that's on us. If Palace had gone down to 10 men they'd have just sat in deeper anyway and we'd have watched as more and more chances went begging.

I mean, who remembers Gabriel Jesus getting hacked down in the West Ham game in 2022 but not getting anything for it? Basically nobody because we drew that game and beat Villa the week after to win the title. If we'd lost against West Ham or Villa during that week we'd have been coming back to the Jesus non-penalty for years and Liverpool fans would barely mention the Rodri handball against Everton.

The biggest let-off we've had down the years imo was Grealish's handball against Chelsea in the FA Cup semi-final. He had ages to get out of the way and he stopped a shot that was on target - nothing given. If we'd won the final against United we'd be seeing screengrabs of it for years, but because we lost to United it gets forgotten about and instead we focus on the offside given against Coventry in United's game.

It's happened this week for Stockport County. Everyone will focus on the shit offside decision Leyton Orient got in the first game because County lost, but County had two massive chances to win it in the 91st and 120th minutes of the second game and they fluffed their lines. Just the way it goes - you've got to accept that shit decisions are always likely and make it count elsewhere.
 
All this talk of buying midfielders and fullbacks for next season, wont mean shit unless we sort our non existant wingers out.
We need an overlapping full back aswell. Too many times Doku has 2-3 players to take on .
 
Did nobody on the tv channels say ‘it’s irrelevant where the ball goes, DGSO is a red herring, handball outside the area is a red card, he should be sent off for that, NOT denying a DGSO… I don’t get it, they’re missing the issue
Definite
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Wait, Darren Cann was VAR assistant for the final. Ex Palace youth player and somebody who had previously been taking off their games during his career?

That is ludicrous! Was there nobody else?!
I think he is retiring so they gave him the final to make sure his team won
 
The thing is with the shit handball/red card decision, every team gets shit decisions against them. Palace had a pretty naff decision go against them for our penalty imo - Bernardo start going down before Mitchell's tackle came in, we just didn't make it count so it's not a talking point. If Marmoush buries the penalty and Palace collapse then it would be all about "Cheating oil City buying the refs again".

Point is, we've had tonnes of shit decisions against us under Pep, we've just usually been so good that they didn't matter. We had another hour to score a goal and didn't - that's on us. If Palace had gone down to 10 men they'd have just sat in deeper anyway and we'd have watched as more and more chances went begging.

I mean, who remembers Gabriel Jesus getting hacked down in the West Ham game in 2022 but not getting anything for it? Basically nobody because we drew that game and beat Villa the week after to win the title. If we'd lost against West Ham or Villa during that week we'd have been coming back to the Jesus non-penalty for years and Liverpool fans would barely mention the Rodri handball against Everton.

The biggest let-off we've had down the years imo was Grealish's handball against Chelsea in the FA Cup semi-final. He had ages to get out of the way and he stopped a shot that was on target - nothing given. If we'd won the final against United we'd be seeing screengrabs of it for years, but because we lost to United it gets forgotten about and instead we focus on the offside given against Coventry in United's game.

It's happened this week for Stockport County. Everyone will focus on the shit offside decision Leyton Orient got in the first game because County lost, but County had two massive chances to win it in the 91st and 120th minutes of the second game and they fluffed their lines. Just the way it goes - you've got to accept that shit decisions are always likely and make it count elsewhere.
You’re surely not comparing Bernardo’s penalty to the Henderson incident to support an argument that “it’s just football”?
I thought Bernardo’s was a pen as did Twatwell and even Dermot Gallagher. It looked like a foul to me as well and for the other side yon may say it was soft or even 50-50 at a pinch. But VAR had no right to intervene because it wasn’t a clear and obvious error.
You could not get a more clear and obvious error with the handball than if the Captain of the titanic was around. It is an extraordinary fuck up by VAR and impossible to comprehend because there is no subjectivity involved. It’s clear as daylight that Henderson has swatted the ball away
 
The thing is with the shit handball/red card decision, every team gets shit decisions against them. Palace had a pretty naff decision go against them for our penalty imo - Bernardo start going down before Mitchell's tackle came in, we just didn't make it count so it's not a talking point. If Marmoush buries the penalty and Palace collapse then it would be all about "Cheating oil City buying the refs again".

Point is, we've had tonnes of shit decisions against us under Pep, we've just usually been so good that they didn't matter. We had another hour to score a goal and didn't - that's on us. If Palace had gone down to 10 men they'd have just sat in deeper anyway and we'd have watched as more and more chances went begging.

I mean, who remembers Gabriel Jesus getting hacked down in the West Ham game in 2022 but not getting anything for it? Basically nobody because we drew that game and beat Villa the week after to win the title. If we'd lost against West Ham or Villa during that week we'd have been coming back to the Jesus non-penalty for years and Liverpool fans would barely mention the Rodri handball against Everton.

The biggest let-off we've had down the years imo was Grealish's handball against Chelsea in the FA Cup semi-final. He had ages to get out of the way and he stopped a shot that was on target - nothing given. If we'd won the final against United we'd be seeing screengrabs of it for years, but because we lost to United it gets forgotten about and instead we focus on the offside given against Coventry in United's game.

It's happened this week for Stockport County. Everyone will focus on the shit offside decision Leyton Orient got in the first game because County lost, but County had two massive chances to win it in the 91st and 120th minutes of the second game and they fluffed their lines. Just the way it goes - you've got to accept that shit decisions are always likely and make it count elsewhere.
The big issue is one of the VAR officials used to play for Crystal Palace when Steve Coppell was there and the main VAR official is a self confessed Liverpool fan called Jared Gillett.
 
The big issue is one of the VAR officials used to play for Crystal Palace when Steve Coppell was there and the main VAR official is a self confessed Liverpool fan called Jared Gillett.
If one of the VAR officials used to play for Palace - I know which one you mean, Darren Cann - and it influenced their decisions then why didn't they overturn the penalty? There were grounds to overturn it, picked up on by quite a few City fans watching live (including myself), but it wasn't. If that much bias was at play in Darren Cann's head then why did they give us a pretty debatable penalty?
 
If one of the VAR officials used to play for Palace - I know which one you mean, Darren Cann - and it influenced their decisions then why didn't they overturn the penalty? There were grounds to overturn it, picked up on by quite a few City fans watching live (including myself), but it wasn't. If that much bias was at play in Darren Cann's head then why did they give us a pretty debatable penalty?
I think they gave the penalty to try and even things up, because they knew they had screwed up with the Henderson hand ball.
 
I think they gave the penalty to try and even things up, because they knew they had screwed up with the Henderson hand ball.
Which still makes it a shit decision that Palace would be complaining about right now if we'd scored the penalty and turned things around. But we're not in that universe because the 11 players Palace had on the pitch made sure it wouldn't matter.
 
Which still makes it a shit decision that Palace would be complaining about right now if we'd scored the penalty and turned things around. But we're not in that universe because the 11 players Palace had on the pitch made sure it wouldn't matter.
We'll never know what would have happened, because if they had gotten the handball decision correct, then the penalty situation may not have arisen.
 
Atwell showed the blatant incompetency that got him removed from the so called 'Elite', and I use that word conservatively list of referees a few years ago! As for Gillett, been involved in a few VAR controversies in the past! Well, the FA and the Media got the result they wanted! Wouldn't have done for the FA to have it's one Cup competition won by a club it's in conflict with!
We're in conflict with the FA as well now? When the fuck did that happen?
 
Which still makes it a shit decision that Palace would be complaining about right now if we'd scored the penalty and turned things around. But we're not in that universe because the 11 players Palace had on the pitch made sure it wouldn't matter.
It was not a shit decision it was a pen , very strange to think it wasnt
 
The thing is with the shit handball/red card decision, every team gets shit decisions against them. Palace had a pretty naff decision go against them for our penalty imo - Bernardo start going down before Mitchell's tackle came in, we just didn't make it count so it's not a talking point. If Marmoush buries the penalty and Palace collapse then it would be all about "Cheating oil City buying the refs again".

Point is, we've had tonnes of shit decisions against us under Pep, we've just usually been so good that they didn't matter. We had another hour to score a goal and didn't - that's on us. If Palace had gone down to 10 men they'd have just sat in deeper anyway and we'd have watched as more and more chances went begging.

I mean, who remembers Gabriel Jesus getting hacked down in the West Ham game in 2022 but not getting anything for it? Basically nobody because we drew that game and beat Villa the week after to win the title. If we'd lost against West Ham or Villa during that week we'd have been coming back to the Jesus non-penalty for years and Liverpool fans would barely mention the Rodri handball against Everton.

The biggest let-off we've had down the years imo was Grealish's handball against Chelsea in the FA Cup semi-final. He had ages to get out of the way and he stopped a shot that was on target - nothing given. If we'd won the final against United we'd be seeing screengrabs of it for years, but because we lost to United it gets forgotten about and instead we focus on the offside given against Coventry in United's game.

It's happened this week for Stockport County. Everyone will focus on the shit offside decision Leyton Orient got in the first game because County lost, but County had two massive chances to win it in the 91st and 120th minutes of the second game and they fluffed their lines. Just the way it goes - you've got to accept that shit decisions are always likely and make it count elsewhere.
Going 0-1 down and then missing a pen. was an absolutely massive moment in the game. CPFC went into half time knowing that all they had to do was defended the penalty area like mad and break up the game. And they did it.

City didn't deal with the situation well, and previous City sides would likely have overcome the difficulty but refereeing decisions and the pen. itself were massive moments in the final. I've heard the City were sh't argument constantly and I don't agree with it. We were playing as we have done for much of this season. At a top 5 standard, that can dominate possession but not at an elite standard. And it had nothing to do with tactics. We just don't have enough elite players available any more.
 
The thing is with the shit handball/red card decision, every team gets shit decisions against them. Palace had a pretty naff decision go against them for our penalty imo - Bernardo start going down before Mitchell's tackle came in, we just didn't make it count so it's not a talking point. If Marmoush buries the penalty and Palace collapse then it would be all about "Cheating oil City buying the refs again".

Point is, we've had tonnes of shit decisions against us under Pep, we've just usually been so good that they didn't matter. We had another hour to score a goal and didn't - that's on us. If Palace had gone down to 10 men they'd have just sat in deeper anyway and we'd have watched as more and more chances went begging.

I mean, who remembers Gabriel Jesus getting hacked down in the West Ham game in 2022 but not getting anything for it? Basically nobody because we drew that game and beat Villa the week after to win the title. If we'd lost against West Ham or Villa during that week we'd have been coming back to the Jesus non-penalty for years and Liverpool fans would barely mention the Rodri handball against Everton.

The biggest let-off we've had down the years imo was Grealish's handball against Chelsea in the FA Cup semi-final. He had ages to get out of the way and he stopped a shot that was on target - nothing given. If we'd won the final against United we'd be seeing screengrabs of it for years, but because we lost to United it gets forgotten about and instead we focus on the offside given against Coventry in United's game.

It's happened this week for Stockport County. Everyone will focus on the shit offside decision Leyton Orient got in the first game because County lost, but County had two massive chances to win it in the 91st and 120th minutes of the second game and they fluffed their lines. Just the way it goes - you've got to accept that shit decisions are always likely and make it count elsewhere.
Why should you accept shit decisions? I would have thought that is
precisely what VAR is supposed to do away with. The penalty was not contentious but the handball was an unbelievable decision made by at least four people, ref Lino and two var officials with perfect pictures and freeze frames
 
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You’re surely not comparing Bernardo’s penalty to the Henderson incident to support an argument that “it’s just football”?
I thought Bernardo’s was a pen as did Twatwell and even Dermot Gallagher. It looked like a foul to me as well and for the other side yon may say it was soft or even 50-50 at a pinch. But VAR had no right to intervene because it wasn’t a clear and obvious error.
You could not get a more clear and obvious error with the handball than if the Captain of the titanic was around. It is an extraordinary fuck up by VAR and impossible to comprehend because there is no subjectivity involved. It’s clear as daylight that Henderson has swatted the ball away
Youngbob makes a good point in relation to the fact we should have rolled up our sleaves and won the game anyway but he is way off the mark comparing the two incidents. Should have been red end of, and while sometimes the penalty would be waved on in most cases the ref points to the spot. As you say no subjectivity involved with Henderson and how they make out he was not preventing a goal scoring opportunity is beyond me. I hope Twatwell hangs up, or is told to hang up his whistle soon.
 
Rewatching game.
It seems no city player saw the handball Haaland didn’t seem to see and not being at our end the fans made no noise when it happened.
Definite pen for us but why did H not take it and why was pen not retaken as goalie was 5 feet off his line or is that not still the rule?
Can’t understand why Haaland didn’t bang in the rebound instead of squaring it.
 
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