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Daily Horse Racing \ Tipping thread
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welcometomanchester
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leighton said:The cookie monster said:Still a good horse Camelot
But no superstar
Can you imagine what frankel would of done to him.
-- Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:53 pm --
No wayblumoon said:JP left it a tad late me thinks
Wasn't good enough
Unlucky thats all you can say. Joe O Brien maybe should of had him up with the speed at the front hes a young jockey and he will know himself he gave Camelot a poor ride. I think they might send him to the Arc if the ground is good and race him there.
As for comparing him and Frankel 2 different horses. 1 trainer was happy to keep Frankel at a mile for all of his races apart from his last 1. Also to say 1 is better than the other well they might end up racing each other. Camelot is a top class horse just not given the best of rides today I think Joe knows he should of done better than he did on it.
Leighton man i respect what you say on here but Camelot isnt the real deal imo. have a look at this <a class="postlink" href="https://twitter.com/jamie_devine/status/246885696927830016/photo/1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://twitter.com/jamie_devine/status ... 16/photo/1</a> in other words what has he really beat? Good horse yes, top top class no.
oddfellows
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8.20 Transfix, 8.50 Looks Like Rain, 9.20 Don Libre
leighton
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welcometomanchester said:leighton said:The cookie monster said:Still a good horse Camelot
But no superstar
Can you imagine what frankel would of done to him.
-- Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:53 pm --
No way
Wasn't good enough
Unlucky thats all you can say. Joe O Brien maybe should of had him up with the speed at the front hes a young jockey and he will know himself he gave Camelot a poor ride. I think they might send him to the Arc if the ground is good and race him there.
As for comparing him and Frankel 2 different horses. 1 trainer was happy to keep Frankel at a mile for all of his races apart from his last 1. Also to say 1 is better than the other well they might end up racing each other. Camelot is a top class horse just not given the best of rides today I think Joe knows he should of done better than he did on it.
Leighton man i respect what you say on here but Camelot isnt the real deal imo. have a look at this <a class="postlink" href="https://twitter.com/jamie_devine/status/246885696927830016/photo/1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://twitter.com/jamie_devine/status ... 16/photo/1</a> in other words what has he really beat? Good horse yes, top top class no.
They have tested the horse over a number of distances and apart from today it has won at each distance. You might not think its a top top class horse but most of the people within the racing world do think its a top top class horse. Hell it was trying to do something that no horse has done since Nijinsky today says it all to me. Just missed out on it.
To be honest Frankel and Cecil didnt have the balls to move the great Frankel up in distance until his last race and Frankel is a 4 year old he should of been racing longer distances earlier at 3 in my opinion. Greatest Miler granted but the greatest of all time questionalble for me.
welcometomanchester
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This has nothing to do with Frankel though. Imo he hasn't beat anything really special. Let's see if I'm proved wrong if he has another year in training. I'll happily admit it if I am.leighton said:welcometomanchester said:leighton said:Unlucky thats all you can say. Joe O Brien maybe should of had him up with the speed at the front hes a young jockey and he will know himself he gave Camelot a poor ride. I think they might send him to the Arc if the ground is good and race him there.
As for comparing him and Frankel 2 different horses. 1 trainer was happy to keep Frankel at a mile for all of his races apart from his last 1. Also to say 1 is better than the other well they might end up racing each other. Camelot is a top class horse just not given the best of rides today I think Joe knows he should of done better than he did on it.
Leighton man i respect what you say on here but Camelot isnt the real deal imo. have a look at this <a class="postlink" href="https://twitter.com/jamie_devine/status/246885696927830016/photo/1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://twitter.com/jamie_devine/status ... 16/photo/1</a> in other words what has he really beat? Good horse yes, top top class no.
They have tested the horse over a number of distances and apart from today it has won at each distance. You might not think its a top top class horse but most of the people within the racing world do think its a top top class horse. Hell it was trying to do something that no horse has done since Nijinsky today says it all to me. Just missed out on it.
To be honest Frankel and Cecil didnt have the balls to move the great Frankel up in distance until his last race and Frankel is a 4 year old he should of been racing longer distances earlier at 3 in my opinion. Greatest Miler granted but the greatest of all time questionalble for me.
niall_mcfc
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I think its fair to compare Frankel and Camelot and it obvious to see that Camelot is not as good as first thought. Yes he's won a guineas and a derby but like others have said what has he beat? The horses he beat in the guineas have gone on to do nothing and same with the derby. Main Sequence was the one everyone thought would go on and do something but he didnt.
Frankel might have raced at 1m for most of his career but that doesnt make him worse the fact that he raced over 1 distance. The only reason Camelot went to the guineas was to get a run into him before the derby and thats coming from O'Brien himself. It was a good win but nothing better than that and it was a poor renewal. The derby was a bad race aswell. Im not saying Camelot is a bad horse because hes a 3 time classic winner but like most O'Brien horses, hes been hyped up too much when he is just another horse like Fame and Glory like Henrythenavigator like Rip Van Winkle etc, good but not great.
If he goes to the arc then i can see him running well but not winning. I would rather back Sea Moon in that race who is way over priced at 20/1.
Frankel might have raced at 1m for most of his career but that doesnt make him worse the fact that he raced over 1 distance. The only reason Camelot went to the guineas was to get a run into him before the derby and thats coming from O'Brien himself. It was a good win but nothing better than that and it was a poor renewal. The derby was a bad race aswell. Im not saying Camelot is a bad horse because hes a 3 time classic winner but like most O'Brien horses, hes been hyped up too much when he is just another horse like Fame and Glory like Henrythenavigator like Rip Van Winkle etc, good but not great.
If he goes to the arc then i can see him running well but not winning. I would rather back Sea Moon in that race who is way over priced at 20/1.
law74
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Anyone know of a site for checking old results?
Just found a docket from a few months ago, and think there is something off it but dont want to look an idiot in the bookies (again)
Just found a docket from a few months ago, and think there is something off it but dont want to look an idiot in the bookies (again)
Brisblu
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Think this might help mate.
You can put in the different categories - football - racing etc and even add the dates from and to. (Not sure of the time restriction though).
If you know the exact date and put it is as from - don't forget to fill in another date in the "to" column. I usually add a couple of dates on from the date I want to look at.
Hope it helps Law74 (and the link works).
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.ladbrokes.com/lbr_sports?action=go_results_qry&w_id=20091004111836" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ladbrokes.com/lbr_sports?act ... 1004111836</a>
You can put in the different categories - football - racing etc and even add the dates from and to. (Not sure of the time restriction though).
If you know the exact date and put it is as from - don't forget to fill in another date in the "to" column. I usually add a couple of dates on from the date I want to look at.
Hope it helps Law74 (and the link works).
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.ladbrokes.com/lbr_sports?action=go_results_qry&w_id=20091004111836" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ladbrokes.com/lbr_sports?act ... 1004111836</a>
law74
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Brisblu said:Think this might help mate.
You can put in the different categories - football - racing etc and even add the dates from and to. (Not sure of the time restriction though).
If you know the exact date and put it is as from - don't forget to fill in another date in the "to" column. I usually add a couple of dates on from the date I want to look at.
Hope it helps Law74 (and the link works).
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.ladbrokes.com/lbr_sports?action=go_results_qry&w_id=20091004111836" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ladbrokes.com/lbr_sports?act ... 1004111836</a>
Cheers
found the results and think i have a docket worth about £1.80, one odds on winner and three seconds, maybe why I didnt collect my winnings earlier lol
Thanks as well pieface, though as I normally (if I can afford it) do a 50p lucky15, 20p lucky 31 and 10p lucky 63, I didnt fancy having to search each horse (esp as I can hardly read my writing)