Daunte Wright Killed by Minnesota Officer Following Traffic Stop

[domalino]

She’s made a fatal error. It’s not a systematic failing. She fucked up and will face the consequences.

Maybe when an officer draws a gun, there could be an automatic announcement from a speaker in the holster that asks “You have drawn your gun, are you sure you shouldn't be using your taser”

Maybe we could take some steps to stop them getting mixed up.

Like make one bright yellow. And make it weigh almost nothing, so the gun is 5x heavier.

And then give it a laser sight so a big red dot appears on whatever you aim it at.

And then finally we put them on opposite sides of the body so its almost impossible to draw the wrong one.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

She’s made a fatal error.

Kim Potter did in fact make a mistake leading an entirely avoidable death of an individual.

Moreover it's entirely foreseeable - in a different hypothetical situation - that Kim Potter drew and fired her taser and then that the suspect lost consciousness - after being tasered - and as a result the car he was driving ran over a pedestrian causing a fatal death.
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Better training could have prevented the actual incident and the hypothetical incident I've outlined above.
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Based on camera footage, two other officers were present at the time of the accidental shooting. Kim Potter announced verbally that she was going to deploy her taser and shouted out loud, "Taser! Taser! Taser!" - all the while, the suspect was in his car attempting to drive away.

What part of police training accounts for the fact that neither of the other officers present did anything to dissuade Kim Potter from drawing her taser in the first place? Saying, for example, "Stop! Stop! Stop! He's in his car trying to drive away!"
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I've come to the reluctant realization that Kim Potter is likely - but unfortunately - guilty of second degree manslaughter under the law.
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At the same time, Kim Potter's punishment - for me isn't at all the main issue here.

The main issue, is how can we improve training to prevent this sort of accident from recurring?

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Maybe we could take some steps to stop them getting mixed up.

Like make one bright yellow. And make it weigh almost nothing, so the gun is 5x heavier.

And then give it a laser sight so a big red dot appears on whatever you aim it at.

And then finally we put them on opposite sides of the body so its almost impossible to draw the wrong one.

And yet - somehow - Kim Potter made a mistake - I assume you think that she did not intend to draw her gun.

Given that all of the steps you've outlined above failed to prevent this mistake - are you really going to conclude that no further steps might be taken to possibly avoid this death?

That Kim Potter - a 20+ year veteran of the police force - all along was incompetent - or racist - or whatever.

That Kim Potter's accidental drawing of her gun in the heat of the moment - cannot at all be mitigated?

That after drawing her taser - there is no step in regulations whatsoever - to verify that she, in fact, drew her taser instead of her gun.

If you've drawn what you think is your taser - then why on earth is there no step to make sure that you've not drawn your gun by mistake?
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Furthermore - if you reject that verification that you've actually drawn your taser instead of your gun might have prevented this death - then really - you seem to me to be stuck supporting your previous posts at all cost of logic - verification that you've actually drawn your taser - especially in a heat-of-the-moment situation - should 100% be part of protocol - no such step is apparent in actual police procedure.
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The main point after this tragedy for me - is how do we prevent this from recurring?

To me, improved training could go a long way towards preventing this in the future.

 

[domalino]

And yet - somehow - Kim Potter made a mistake - I assume you think that she did not intend to draw her gun.

Yes because she was negligent.

If someone can't tell the difference between something on the wrong side of her body, that weighs 1kg instead of 200g, that is black instead of bright yellow, that has a deliberately different grip, that doesn't have a laser sight pointing at the target, then no extra step is going to make someone who isn't paying attention realise their mistake.

Not to mention we have already established she broke regulations by tasering him at the wheel of a car, so she might well negligently ignore new regulations as well.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Yes because she was negligent.

If someone can't tell the difference between something on the wrong side of her body, that weighs 1kg instead of 200g, that is black instead of bright yellow, that has a deliberately different grip, that doesn't have a laser sight pointing at the target, then no extra step is going to make someone who isn't paying attention realise their mistake.

Not to mention we have already established she broke regulations by tasering him at the wheel of a car, so she might well negligently ignore new regulations as well.

There is a principle in American and English civil law that the fact a certain type of accident has occurred is mere proof of negligence. Obviously doesn't apply to criminal law but supports the point you are making.

Res ipsa loquitur - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[bert38]

Victim blaming .. again

Victim? Kaz you strike me as a very nice, decent person but please.

 

[feedthegoat27]

Victim? Kaz you strike me as a very nice, decent person but please.

If someone is unlawfully shot and killed by the police, then what are they?

 

[bert38]

If someone is unlawfully shot and killed by the police, then what are they?

a youth runninga round the streets in the middle of the night with a firearm shooting at cars.

..where has this been confirmed as an unlawful killing? what woukd you do given that split second to decide? wait to get shot?

 

[feedthegoat27]

a youth runninga round the streets in the middle of the night with a firearm shooting at cars.

..where has this been confirmed as an unlawful killing? what woukd you do given that split second to decide? wait to get shot?

Cop; ''show me your fucking hands''

Suspect; shows hands

Cop; shooty shooty bang bang anyway

 

[The blue phantom]

a youth runninga round the streets in the middle of the night with a firearm shooting at cars.

..where has this been confirmed as an unlawful killing? what woukd you do given that split second to decide? wait to get shot?

It's fuckin mind boggling for anybody to give either copper an ounce of support and have their backs, looks like you have both and don't give two fucks about the child & a young man murdered. It's every thread where the Police are involved you can't help it. This one you really have took it to another level and embarrassed yourself.