Daunte Wright Killed by Minnesota Officer Following Traffic Stop

metalblue said:
I’d be shitting my pants. To the point I’d probably not chase them down a dark alley.

But beyond this particular case I appreciate police, around the world, have to put themselves in danger at times and are entirely selfless in this. However what we are seeing currently in the US is the Wild West with lone officers being being judge and jury. Everyone is on edge and every confrontation is being trawled over looking for racial undertones. It’s a powder keg.

It doesn’t take much to think up a different approach to these problems even if just in the short term to restore confidence. A constant eye in the sky (drones are probably an effective tool rather than helicopters), allowing suspects to be tracked. Then a tactical deployment team of specially trained fire arm officers who are equipped in a way that would serve to protect their lives and allow them to defuse situations, ie their mission is preservation of life and it’s a controlled confrontation not some lone copper who has to make a decision. That will surely build more confidence in the system.

Officers can remain armed so they don’t feel like their dicks have fallen off but for their own personal protection only and should not confront individuals thought to be armed. Although I’d favour a more radical approach of un-arming officers, I suspect it won’t make a shit of difference to the number of coppers shot dead by suspects but I can’t imagine the rank and file would accept that but it would be an interesting question to ask to see why they think they should carry guns.
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yeah it does seem like people are trying to find some reason to cry racism with these incidents
The opening post about this killing was started with “another black person has been killed by the police by the way “ it was pointed out he wasn’t black but then it was “ he was brown “ I’d even consider that a stretch

I think the idea of drones is a very good one, let a drone do the pursuit with practically zero chance of gunfire,
I can seriously see this happing as well

I think guns are there to stay in America unfortunately
 
bluemc1 said:
yeah it does seem like people are trying to find some reason to cry racism with these incidents
The opening post about this killing was started with “another black person has been killed by the police by the way “ it was pointed out he wasn’t black but then it was “ he was brown “ I’d even consider that a stretch

I think the idea of drones is a very good one, let a drone do the pursuit with practically zero chance of gunfire,
I can seriously see this happing as well

I think guns are there to stay in America unfortunately
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It’s not a stretch to say he is brown. He is mestizo mexican and has indigenous ancestry.
 
BobKowalski said:
When cops are shooting unarmed people dead, you have a problem. If the system continually strives to justify these shootings you will perpetuate the problem. When the public continually seek to excuse these shootings, there will be no pressure on the system to redress the problem.

The question is then are people happy to see cops gunning down unarmed people, because if they are, can they just say this, rather than equating it to gas emergencies? It will save a lot of time in the long run.
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Politics and the widespread proliferation of guns in the USA - makes this issue much, much more complicated.
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Due to the widespread proliferation and easy access to guns - police in the USA must be armed at all times - else criminals will simply point guns at unarmed officers when facing arrest and then flee (best case) - or simply shoot unarmed officers dead.
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People are fed up with unnecessary gun violence by police in the USA; moreso, people are fed up with mass shootings and deaths by gunshot at the hands of criminals.

Too - gun reform is a popular measure in the USA.

But thanks to gerrymandering and the ability of the NRA to shape political discussion - gun reform has not passed - and given the current state of affairs - and furthermore the makeup of the US senate - 2 votes per state regardless of population - and then coupled with the ridiculous US senate filibuster rule - gun reform measures remain unlikely to pass in the USA.
 
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metalblue said:
Why would he fear for his life if the kid was running away?
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Because "I feared for my life" is just another bullshit stock police response they come out with in any situation. Like how they're obviously taught to say "stop resisting" before they've even touched someone they're trying to arrest. Just a load of bullshit to cover their arse.

There's a video going round of a cop who has a suspect at gunpoint (suggesting that he considers him a threat) who realises someone is filming him, at which point he turns his back on this previously very dangerous individual, holsters his weapon and tries to arrest the person taking the video (from his own porch, no less), all the while shouting "stop resisting" of course. The idea that they're drawing their weapons because there's a threat is bullshit in plenty of situations. It's a display of power and laziness from a police force who can't be arsed actually doing any difficult police work. And unsurprisingly, they have a crime rate and results to match, not to mention the number of people they shoot.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Because "I feared for my life" is just another bullshit stock police response they come out with in any situation. Like how they're obviously taught to say "stop resisting" before they've even touched someone they're trying to arrest. Just a load of bullshit to cover their arse.

There's a video going round of a cop who has a suspect at gunpoint (suggesting that he considers him a threat) who realises someone is filming him, at which point he turns his back on this previously very dangerous individual, holsters his weapon and tries to arrest the person taking the video (from his own porch, no less), all the while shouting "stop resisting" of course. The idea that they're drawing their weapons because there's a threat is bullshit in plenty of situations. It's a display of power and laziness from a police force who can't be arsed actually doing any difficult police work. And unsurprisingly, they have a crime rate and results to match, not to mention the number of people they shoot.
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I agree, power and lazy policing. I’ve been pulled over a few times by yank dibble for driving “issues” and they are hard work to even have a conversation with. You simply can’t seem to reason with them in my limited experience.

I once heard a statistic, not sure how accurate, that over 30% of people in the US are employed in some sort of law enforcement capacity, from coppers, lawyers, prison guards, bounty hunters, security guards, judges etc etc. But even if it’s close to true it says crime is big business mate and then you have to start asking are they actually interested in prevention at all?
 
The only difference between the criminals in the US who carry guns with intent to use and Police who carry weapons with a desire to use guns is the Uniform and shoot to injure or kill training.

I posted on another thread I was stopped by the Derbyshire Police the other week, it’s far removed from the US but three vehicle turned up in total, I wasn’t allowed out of my van and a copper leaned in my cab, removed my keys and told me not to move. I was really flustered and felt threatened and that’s knowing the Police weren’t armed. I can understand how some drivers in the US would fear for their lives and not act normally when confronted by armed knob head Police.
 
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