Daunte Wright Killed by Minnesota Officer Following Traffic Stop

[bluemc1]

So, you still don't seem to understand that the cop acted like he was in control of the situation. "Stop!", "Turn around!", "Put your fucking hands up!". All three instructions were complied with. The boy was also running away, so where's 'the threat'?

And if he saw the gun in a split second(highly highly doubtful in the dark), he saw the boy's hands were clear and not pointed in his direction (so you can't have it both ways).

So, that leaves us with the only conclusion of the cop being already in the mental state of shooting a 'gunman'.

Would you suggest that being premeditative...?

Because I would.

i wouldn’t suggest that I just think we both read the situation differently, there’s a good chance the cop was looking at his hands as that’s where the gun would be

He said in his report apparently he did see it so we can believe him or not but he shouted those instructions then as he claims he saw the gun and a split second later as the lad turned round he shot

the lad was running away initially but wasn’t when he was shot so as we know the lad had a gun in his hand seconds before he turned to face the cop

 

[Bigga]

i wouldn’t suggest that I just think we both read the situation differently, there’s a good chance the cop was looking at his hands as that’s where the gun would be

He said in his report apparently he did see it so we can believe him or not but he shouted those instructions then as he claims he saw the gun and a split second later as the lad turned round he shot

the lad was running away initially but wasn’t when he was shot so as we know the lad had a gun in his hand seconds before he turned to face the cop

So, let me ask you a logical question; if the kid had a gun in his hand that the cop saw as he was running away, no one else in the alley, clear sight, why not shoot him then? His version of events/ 'fear for life' would, legitimately, stack up.

After all we've seen countless people shot running away with no weapons in their hands.

So, why wait...?

I don't think he saw the gun when he said he did.

He shot because his mind was made up.

 

[bluemc1]

So, let me ask you a logical question; if the kid had a gun in his hand that the cop saw as he was running away, no one else in the alley, clear sight, why not shoot him then? His version of events/ 'fear for life' would, legitimately, stack up.

After all we've seen countless people shot running away with no weapons in their hands.

So, why wait...?

I don't think he saw the gun when he said he did.

He shot because his mind was made up.

i can only answer the question going of the reports and what I’ve seen, the cop may have only seen the gun when the lad stopped running just before he turned and if he’d have shot the kid while he was running away having seen the gun or not I would also be saying it’s murder just like the walter Scot case

I don’t want things to get silly on here again, you think his mind was made up to shoot and I don’t but they are both just opinions

 

[Bigga]

i can only answer the question going of the reports and what I’ve seen, the cop may have only seen the gun when the lad stopped running just before he turned and if he’d have shot the kid while he was running away having seen the gun or not I would also be saying it’s murder just like the walter Scot case

I don’t want things to get silly on here again, you think his mind was made up to shoot and I don’t but they are both just opinions

Yes, they are just opinions.

I cannot fathom someone so ready to pull the trigger when they are supposedly trained to shoot if a weapon is pointed at them.

This was far from that case.

 

[metalblue]

So, let me ask you a logical question; if the kid had a gun in his hand that the cop saw as he was running away, no one else in the alley, clear sight, why not shoot him then? His version of events/ 'fear for life' would, legitimately, stack up.

After all we've seen countless people shot running away with no weapons in their hands.

So, why wait...?

I don't think he saw the gun when he said he did.

He shot because his mind was made up.

Why would he fear for his life if the kid was running away?

Kid was only running after the officer tried to stop him it wasn’t like he just carried out an armed robbery or owt. If the officer saw the gun at this point and decided to pursue the kid he can hardly claim he then feared for his life.

 

[supercity88]

do you think if you were that cop chasing the boy ( who he didn’t know was a boy ) down that entry at night he might have been genuinely scared and feared for his own personal safety and life, I’m 99.9% sure he would’ve have been

an analogy was used on this thread about cops training and KDB missing a penalty well if we also look at a huge reason why players who can usually put a ball on a dime my the target from 12 yards, it’s pressure, nerves and adrenaline. Now multiply that by a thousand of someone chasing someone with a gun, do you not think the human factor would apply massively in this situation where you’re dealing with milli seconds and life and death ?

I dealt with gas escape emergencies for 15 years and 95% I didn’t need to break sweat but the 5% that made your arse twitch you knew you were in a dangerous situation

the fact 95% were ok doesn’t mean I don’t have concerns about the 5% when they occur which I’m pretty sure would be the same for a cop chasing an armed criminal

I think if I was genuinely scared I might not chase them at all. If they had their back to me and I didn't care about shooting them I would probably chase them and do just that.

 

[bluemc1]

Why would he fear for his life if the kid was running away?

Kid was only running after the officer tried to stop him it wasn’t like he just carried out an armed robbery or owt. If the officer saw the gun at this point and decided to pursue the kid he can hardly claim he then feared for his life.

if you had just been called to a report of shots fired and after arriving were chasing one of the armed suspects down a dark alley on a scale of 1-10 how safe would you feel ? 10 being completely safe and 1 worried about being shot

 

[bert38]

Why would he fear for his life if the kid was running away?

Kid was only running after the officer tried to stop him it wasn’t like he just carried out an armed robbery or owt. If the officer saw the gun at this point and decided to pursue the kid he can hardly claim he then feared for his life.

deary me

 

[Bigga]

Why would he fear for his life if the kid was running away?

Kid was only running after the officer tried to stop him it wasn’t like he just carried out an armed robbery or owt. If the officer saw the gun at this point and decided to pursue the kid he can hardly claim he then feared for his life.

You and I know that, but I'm thinking like their police union!

 

[metalblue]

if you had just been called to a report of shots fired and after arriving were chasing one of the armed suspects down a dark alley on a scale of 1-10 how safe would you feel ? 10 being completely safe and 1 worried about being shot

I’d be shitting my pants. To the point I’d probably not chase them down a dark alley.

But beyond this particular case I appreciate police, around the world, have to put themselves in danger at times and are entirely selfless in this. However what we are seeing currently in the US is the Wild West with lone officers being being judge and jury. Everyone is on edge and every confrontation is being trawled over looking for racial undertones. It’s a powder keg.

It doesn’t take much to think up a different approach to these problems even if just in the short term to restore confidence. A constant eye in the sky (drones are probably an effective tool rather than helicopters), allowing suspects to be tracked. Then a tactical deployment team of specially trained fire arm officers who are equipped in a way that would serve to protect their lives and allow them to defuse situations, ie their mission is preservation of life and it’s a controlled confrontation not some lone copper who has to make a decision. That will surely build more confidence in the system.

Officers can remain armed so they don’t feel like their dicks have fallen off but for their own personal protection only and should not confront individuals thought to be armed. Although I’d favour a more radical approach of un-arming officers, I suspect it won’t make a shit of difference to the number of coppers shot dead by suspects but I can’t imagine the rank and file would accept that but it would be an interesting question to ask to see why they think they should carry guns.