De Bruyne injury - Back in Training (p89)

[vmsuhail]

Wouldn't it be better to rotate the Silva's and KDB more? David isn't the youngest anymore while Bernardo looks like a good replacement looking towards the future, afaik if you want to keep aging players good as long as possible it's best to give them fewer games eitherway. KDB played a load of games last year so perhaps a few less wouldn't hurt neither.

Yes. I prefer only 2 of KDB,Silva,Silva to start and one of them rested or 25 minutes from the bench.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

Totally agree - KdB's wasted at DM. Much rather try Delph there, or work with Zinchenko - he's pretty close to being a great option at DM.

I think you may have a point about Zinchenko mate. I've never considered him there but you never know.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Totally agree - KdB's wasted at DM. Much rather try Delph there, or work with Zinchenko - he's pretty close to being a great option at DM.

I’m not sure why Pep doesn’t seem to like Zinchenko. For his age, he is outstanding, but I’m not sure if Pep trusts him or not for such a pivotal role. Preseason, I was as impressed with him, if not more so, than Luiz, whom we fought to get into the squad.

 

[NorCalBlue]

I’m not sure why Pep doesn’t seem to like Zinchenko. For his age, he is outstanding, but I’m not sure if Pep trusts him or not for such a pivotal role. Preseason, I was as impressed with him, if not more so, than Luiz, whom we fought to get into the squad.

Yeah, I thought he looked better than Luiz as well. He made a few positional mistakes and his tackling can improve, but he seems willing to learn and he's shown a lot of improvement already. The main thing I like about him is how cool he is under pressure and how well he links up with the other players. And since I just remembered that this thread is supposed to be about de Bruyne, I also like that he looks like a mini-Kev.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Yeah, I thought he looked better than Luiz as well. He made a few positional mistakes and his tackling can improve, but he seems willing to learn and he's shown a lot of improvement already. The main thing I like about him is how cool he is under pressure and how well he links up with the other players. And since I just remembered that this thread is supposed to be about de Bruyne, I also like that he looks like a mini-Kev.

Getting back on track then, Kev isn’t a DM, unless we are struggling in a game and don’t have anyone else to do it. However, with at least 1 central defender always in the bench, unless Stones isn’t in the squad, I’d put him there before nullifying Kev’s Game.

 

[citytilllidie]

Good job Kev didn't play on Sunday, or Martinez would've stole him

 

[FlemishDuck]

There is a trend amongst City fans to assume that a deep lying midfielder has to be a hard tackling De Jong like player or a player with an engine like Fern or Milner but it could be a technical player like De Bruyne. Guardiola played in that position. Players like Alonso and Javi Martinez played a deep midfield role for Bayern so I could see De Bruyne playing there.

I prefer him using his running power and passing in danger areas but when you have players like B.Silva, David Silva etc in advanced positions, it might make sense to use him in a deeper role.

Yes the DM can be a technical player but the crucial error you make imho is perceiving that you can do this withought having any defensive oriented ball winning midfielder present somewhere else in the midfield. Usually when the option is taken to have a deep lying playmaker then there still will be a Fern type of ball winning midfielder somewhere else in the midfield, often in the CM role.

When on the attack usually one midfielder stays back somewhat to recover lost balls or kill counters when need. Thats simply where you will typically atleast need 1 defensive oriented type of player. You don't want to give KDB this role because it wastes a lot of his skills if he is not given more freedom to roam and attack even if it makes sense for reasons to start him from the DM position.

Totally agree - KdB's wasted at DM. Much rather try Delph there, or work with Zinchenko - he's pretty close to being a great option at DM.

Not nessecarily but he could be wasted there if he's not given a very fiting role when starting from that position AND when not been provided enough defensive cover when moving forward.

Practicly speaking KDB must be given the "roaming playmaker" when in the DM role, a very free role that simply starts from deep.

I doubt that anyone would be against KDB starting in the DM role providing that it doesn't restrict him from playing his part in the attack all the way up to the box. That simply requires having capable people covering his back then.

The problem however with a midfield 3 made up of 2 Silva's and KDB is the question "which one will be the one expected to stay back for defensive duty?" knowing they all like to attack and would be rather wasted on purely defensive duty.

Knowing that someone has to stay back, then he can just aswell be a prefferably athletic and great on defense given what he will be doing. And if possible it would be nice if he is fairly technical aswell or perhaps even has a good long shot. A type of player like Fernandinho is exactly what you want for this and it has proven its value?

KDB is great at orchestrating killer counters and that usually starts from the DM position, thats the more compelling reason why you want him positioned there providing that it doesn't inpact his attacking contribution

 

[lasereyes]

Yes the DM can be a technical player but the crucial error you make imho is perceiving that you can do this withought having any defensive oriented ball winning midfielder present somewhere else in the midfield. Usually when the option is taken to have a deep lying playmaker then there still will be a Fern type of ball winning midfielder somewhere else in the midfield, often in the CM role.

When on the attack usually one midfielder stays back somewhat to recover lost balls or kill counters when need. Thats simply where you will typically atleast need 1 defensive oriented type of player. You don't want to give KDB this role because it wastes a lot of his skills if he is not given more freedom to roam and attack even if it makes sense for reasons to start him from the DM position.



Not nessecarily but he could be wasted there if he's not given a very fiting role when starting from that position AND when not been provided enough defensive cover when moving forward.

Practicly speaking KDB must be given the "roaming playmaker" when in the DM role, a very free role that simply starts from deep.

I doubt that anyone would be against KDB starting in the DM role providing that it doesn't restrict him from playing his part in the attack all the way up to the box. That simply requires having capable people covering his back then.

The problem however with a midfield 3 made up of 2 Silva's and KDB is the question "which one will be the one expected to stay back for defensive duty?" knowing they all like to attack and would be rather wasted on purely defensive duty.

Knowing that someone has to stay back, then he can just aswell be a prefferably athletic and great on defense given what he will be doing. And if possible it would be nice if he is fairly technical aswell or perhaps even has a good long shot. A type of player like Fernandinho is exactly what you want for this and it has proven its value?

KDB is great at orchestrating killer counters and that usually starts from the DM position, thats the more compelling reason why you want him positioned there providing that it doesn't inpact his attacking contribution

I think this misses the point of the original post which was how to get KDB and the two Silvas into the same lineup. The only way to do that without disrupting our front 3 is to play KDB as the only DM player - that is a #6 position which would totally waste his attacking skills. You can of course playing him alongside Fernandinho, but then you are not getting both Silvas in unless one of them plays on the wing (in place of Sane or Sterling) which in turn would waste their talents.

 

[chestervegasblue]

Good job Kev didn't play on Sunday, or Martinez would've stole him

Although, if he'd been on the field, I think he may have taken the penalty.

 

[FantasyIreland]

I think this misses the point of the original post which was how to get KDB and the two Silvas into the same lineup. The only way to do that without disrupting our front 3 is to play KDB as the only DM player - that is a #6 position which would totally waste his attacking skills. You can of course playing him alongside Fernandinho, but then you are not getting both Silvas in unless one of them plays on the wing (in place of Sane or Sterling) which in turn would waste their talents.

Exactly.

That was the aim of my comment.While i realise KDB's attacking brilliance is blunted while he is deployed in a deeper role,it allows us the option of getting three of the leagues best midfielders in the same line up and all the brilliance and magic that accompanies such :-)