De Bruyne?

FanchesterCity said:
I have to say, I'm seeing things very differently to you. I'm not seeing how we've improved much over the last couple of years. Sterling may well prove to be a great addition (we'll have to see), but all in all, I can't say we've stepped up a level from Mancini's days. Other teams however have improved, which now sees us (arguably) in a 3-4 horse title race.
When I use the term 'overhaul' I'm using it in the sense of a considerable improvement, rather just a shake up of personnel. I can't think of a single player we've bought in the last 2 years who has set the place alight. Fernandinho and MdM are perhaps the best two examples who have done a good job for us, but I'd be hard pushed to say they've helped up step up a gear. Navas (imo) even less so. I'll give Mangala a bit more time, as one season isn't enough to judge him on.

IMO, we simply haven't bought very well for a few years. At best, we've bought a couple of players who worked out 'ok' - which isn't enough to provide a highly confident title challenge, let alone hope to win CL. I can't say it's the amount of money we've spent, merely the quality of the signings. Distinctly 'average' at best in terms of progression.
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FanchesterCity in negative post on Bluemoon shock.
Said nobody, ever.
 
Stirling1978 said:
I read Zuculini doesn't need to be in Prem squad as 21 at turn on the year, so classes as U21 this year, can't see he'd kick up a fuss being left out of CL squad if stays.
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  • Clubs are able to supplement their squads with unlimited additional players under the age of 21 on 1st January in the year in which the season commences
He takes up a foreign spot
 
Silva_Spell said:
  • Clubs are able to supplement their squads with unlimited additional players under the age of 21 on 1st January in the year in which the season commences
He takes up a foreign spot
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Fair enough, but someone on here posted that it was 21 or under.
Besides, can only see KDB coming in before the deadline now, so not an issue.
 
Bilboblue said:
FanchesterCity in negative post on Bluemoon shock.
Said nobody, ever.
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Is it negative?
I think it's common sense and well reasoned. Have we improved much in the last couple of years, and which players have we bought that have taken us to the next level?
I've said we've bought a couple of players who've done a good job for us, but I challenge you to name me an addition to the squad who has had a large positive impact. Sterling doesn't yet count as he's not played a competitive game.

You say negative, I say realistic.

If we want to keep with the City of old mentality and cheer on mediocrity simply because we support the club, that's fine, but if we're serious about being CL contenders, then we have to be a bit more merciless with some of the players, and be critical of ourselves. Our signings in the last two years have not been of the calibre required to live up to our desire of being CL contenders, or retain a title.

It's great that we've trophies, make no mistake, but we haven't stopped our ambition yet have we? I thought we were still trying to improve, and to do that, you need to identify the weaknesses we have, not gloss over them.
 
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FanchesterCity said:
Is it negative?
I think it's common sense and well reasoned. Have we improved much in the last couple of years, and which players have we bought that have taken us to the next level?
I've said we've bought a couple of players who've done a good job for us, but I challenge you to name me an addition to the squad who has had a large positive impact. Sterling doesn't yet count as he's not played a competitive game.

You say negative, I say realistic.
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Negredo,only for 6mths granted but what a 6 months,20 odd goals
 
karen7 said:
Negredo,only for 6mths granted but what a 6 months,20 odd goals
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He's no longer with us, so we aren't better now are we?
We could have Messi for 6 months, but we'd not be any better once he left.
If Mangala comes good, and Sterling does what we expect, then we will have made tangible improvements, but as things stand right now - we're talking about potential and not fact.

You can add Bony into that equation too. He might be a revelation for us, but we can't say he has been yet.

Other teams have improved more than we have, and that's why plenty of City fans appreciate this season could be 4 way battle.
 
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FanchesterCity said:
Is it negative?
I think it's common sense and well reasoned. Have we improved much in the last couple of years, and which players have we bought that have taken us to the next level?
I've said we've bought a couple of players who've done a good job for us, but I challenge you to name me an addition to the squad who has had a large positive impact. Sterling doesn't yet count as he's not played a competitive game.

You say negative, I say realistic.

If we want to keep with the City of old mentality and cheer on mediocrity simply because we support the club, that's fine, but if we're serious about being CL contenders, then we have to be a bit more merciless with some of the players, and be critical of ourselves. Our signings in the last two years have not been of the calibre required to live up to our desire of being CL contenders, or retain a title.

It's great that we've trophies, make no mistake, but we haven't stopped our ambition yet have we? I thought we were still trying to improve, and to do that, you need to identify the weaknesses we have, not gloss over them.
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I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying you nearly always post negative stuff, you're as bad as @Big Yaya Wilko 12 and a few others.

I'm not a happy clapper but compared to you, I think everyone is.

Be an optimist, not a pessimist.
 
FanchesterCity said:
Is it negative?
I think it's common sense and well reasoned. Have we improved much in the last couple of years, and which players have we bought that have taken us to the next level?
I've said we've bought a couple of players who've done a good job for us, but I challenge you to name me an addition to the squad who has had a large positive impact. Sterling doesn't yet count as he's not played a competitive game.

You say negative, I say realistic.

If we want to keep with the City of old mentality and cheer on mediocrity simply because we support the club, that's fine, but if we're serious about being CL contenders, then we have to be a bit more merciless with some of the players, and be critical of ourselves. Our signings in the last two years have not been of the calibre required to live up to our desire of being CL contenders, or retain a title.

It's great that we've trophies, make no mistake, but we haven't stopped our ambition yet have we? I thought we were still trying to improve, and to do that, you need to identify the weaknesses we have, not gloss over them.
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i think its who have we replaced with a poorer player. de jong
 
blueparrot said:
Thats an option but going into the champions league with just 2 strikers is a big risk.
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I'm sure Sterling would be used as a utility striker when needed. Although i'd rather have Iheanacho in the squad, we need to focus on the league rather than CL, if we can start dominating the league, then European form will take care of itself.
 
blueparrot said:
He's been here less than 2 years so for champions league squad he is one of the 17.
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PL squad is more important tho so no need to let that stop us signing another nonHG player if it's the right player. Can quite easily leave out someone like Navas in CL
 
bluemoon98 said:
loving the on-topic discussion in here.... ;-)
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Bilboblue said:
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying you nearly always post negative stuff, you're as bad as @Big Yaya Wilko 12 and a few others.

I'm not a happy clapper but compared to you, I think everyone is.

Be an optimist, not a pessimist.
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Go read ALL my posts, and you'll discover you're talking out of your arse. 'Nearly always post negative stuff' is just hyperbole and factually incorrect.
There is not point in saying 'I think we'll win the league' if I don't think it. I'd rather be honest and say I think it's going to be tough, and Sterling and Delph alone aren't going to be enough. KdB would help, but we also still need defensive problems to be rectified, and midfield still isn't stellar. I believe we need to address those issues if we want to step up a level, so I'm expressing that belief.
If everybody else things we have enough strength in the current squad then great - nobody should be moaning about missing out on Pogba or KdB then. The fact that so many are wanting at least one of those players suggests plenty of City fans are like me and think we need more (better) than we currently have.
 
FanchesterCity said:
Is it negative?
I think it's common sense and well reasoned. Have we improved much in the last couple of years, and which players have we bought that have taken us to the next level?
I've said we've bought a couple of players who've done a good job for us, but I challenge you to name me an addition to the squad who has had a large positive impact. Sterling doesn't yet count as he's not played a competitive game.

You say negative, I say realistic.

If we want to keep with the City of old mentality and cheer on mediocrity simply because we support the club, that's fine, but if we're serious about being CL contenders, then we have to be a bit more merciless with some of the players, and be critical of ourselves. Our signings in the last two years have not been of the calibre required to live up to our desire of being CL contenders, or retain a title.

It's great that we've trophies, make no mistake, but we haven't stopped our ambition yet have we? I thought we were still trying to improve, and to do that, you need to identify the weaknesses we have, not gloss over them.
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Absolutely spot on mate.

This is exactly what i have been saying for months and all i have got is criticism just like yourself. There is nothing wrong with ambition, to win things you need it, if you don't have that desire to always want to improve, you will get blown away... simple.

As you have stated, we haven't improved, especially if you look back at 11/12 season where we arguably had a much stronger squad. Our CM options were a lot better and our attack was better. Whether people might say i am being negative or not... i wish people would just get their heads out of the bowl of cornflakes and wake up and smell the coffee and realise that what is being said is just the truth with absolutely zero negativity intended.

If we want to progress, we need to push the boundaries and aim for the top, its all well and good buying players to strengthen us in the league, but we haven't gone anywhere in Europe. Imagine Delph in the Champs league against the worlds best... he would be absolutely chasing shadows. We need quality and not just quantity.

As fans, we never forget where we came from and just because as fans we try and show ambition, we get called for being ungrateful and negative... sometimes i really do wonder by our own fans opinions on here whether we should just sell Aguero, Silva, Yaya and go out and buy bang average like Jason Roberts, Lee Cattermole and Paul Mcshane just to get us back to who we once were. Some people need to move on and get with the latest times, we aren't back in the fooking stone age where we had Jamie Pollock scoring the most unbelievable own goals and Lee Bradbury up top who could not hit a cows backside with a bleeding shovel!
 
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