De Bruyne?

They've got something we want and they really don't want or need to sell. You can be the best negotiator in the world and they won't sell until we meet their asking price. We can't say this is our final offer take it or leave it because they'll leave it.
 
hgblue said:
They've got something we want and they really don't want or need to sell. You can be the best negotiator in the world and they won't sell until we meet their asking price. We can't say this is our final offer take it or leave it because they'll leave it.
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Precisely.

And for RDOG to want us to start using the "dark arts" of transfer negotiations like the Real Madrids of this world use. WE ARE.

We are going for players we want and that the other clubs do not want to sell once we know the player is open to the move.

Madrid use this tactic and then pay world record fees to get the player.
 
hgblue said:
They've got something we want and they really don't want or need to sell. You can be the best negotiator in the world and they won't sell until we meet their asking price. We can't say this is our final offer take it or leave it because they'll leave it.
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Tend to agree mate, and the player appears to not want to massage it along
 
RichardDunneOwnGoal said:
Didn't say I'd walk away, I was just disappointed that Liverpool seemed to hold all the cards in spite of us being in the much stronger position.

As I've said earlier, there were no other clubs at the table for Sterling at the prices being quoted, we were the only club willing to meet those figures. How can you be sure how much was the transfer fee deterring other clubs, and how much was a solid agreement with us - unless you're Aidy Ward?

And as I've said, if we did have a solid agreement with Sterling, and he only had eyes for us, then that makes us an even softer touch for eventually paying Liverpool's inflated asking price in full.

I understand the point that maybe we felt it was just worth stumping it up, and not letting it drag on, but I think it's put us in a weaker position trying to negotiate De Bruyne's fee.

How can you be so sure re the 'take it or leave it' bid? It was widely reported by the press, we're all speculating here, unless you're not?
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I'm not speculating I don't think.

And whilst you may think we over paid, I would (and this IS where I am speculating) suggest that City got Sterling for less than they thought they might.

(Back to non speculating) when City first enquires about Sterling, we were told he was not for sale at any price in December last year (Pellegrini possibly went off the hymn sheet with his "Sterling would cost £100m" quote), and that's where Txiki did his work. For Liverpool, it wasn't just about money, but about not wanting to look like soft touch selling club to local rival (in theirs and their fans eyes).
 
80s Shorts said:
Who issued this ultimatum? Was it on the OS? Did we hold press conference about it ? OR Was it the Sun or the Mirror? I did not read any quotes. Or do you have no idea ?

You said yourself a couple of posts ago that, "We're all speculating, none of us are privy to all the facts and the negotiations." Yet you post as though you have the inside track.

I think you're just wumming.
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I'm not posting as if I have the inside track, of course the proviso that we're speculating applies to my points also, kinda my point mate.

This is all my interpretation of the events based on what little actual verifiable factual evidence we have, most people having a pop at me are in exactly the same place just coming from a different perspective.

Save it with the accusations of wumming as well, another default jibe aimed at anyone who has a contrary opinion.
 
80s Shorts said:
Precisely.

And for RDOG to want us to start using the "dark arts" of transfer negotiations like the Real Madrids of this world use. WE ARE.

We are going for players we want and that the other clubs do not want to sell once we know the player is open to the move.

Madrid use this tactic and then pay world record fees to get the player.
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Very good point on your last line.
 
80s Shorts said:
Madrid use this tactic and then pay world record fees to get the player.
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....often selling at a loss when it doesn't work out quite right, or they no longer want the player, the tactics are pretty well identical, for now, but one day (soon) we'll be producing our own, and we won't need this tactic any longer.
 
RichardDunneOwnGoal said:
I'm not posting as if I have the inside track, of course the proviso that we're speculating applies to my points also, kinda my point mate.

This is all my interpretation of the events based on what little actual verifiable factual evidence we have, most people having a pop at me are in exactly the same place just coming from a different perspective.

Save it with the accusations of wumming as well, another default jibe aimed at anyone who has a contrary opinion.
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So what are these dark arts you want us to start using.

Madrid have turned players heads who are at clubs that do not want to sell and have had to pay world record fees for them.

Amongst all your negativity and demeaning of our transfer team I have seen little if any suggestion from you about what we should have done differently.
 
cleavers said:
....often selling at a loss when it doesn't work out quite right, or they no longer want the player, the tactics are pretty well identical, for now, but one day (soon) we'll be producing our own, and we won't need this tactic any longer.
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I have no problem with us using these tactics. It is just that RDOG suggested we started using the dark arts like Real Madrid do. I was pointing out that we are and that this does not lead to then getting a player for peanuts.

As for the academy I have great hopes for it as well.
 
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SWP's back said:
I'm not speculating I don't think.

And whilst you may think we over paid, I would (and this IS where I am speculating) suggest that City got Sterling for less than they thought they might.

(Back to non speculating) when City first enquires about Sterling, we were told he was not for sale at any price in December last year (Pellegrini possibly went off the hymn sheet with his "Sterling would cost £100m" quote), and that's where Txiki did his work. For Liverpool, it wasn't just about money, but about not wanting to look like soft touch selling club to local rival (in theirs and their fans eyes).
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You are speculating when you say:

"we used the dark arts, that's why we were the only team bidding as I stated"

And:

"there was never a "take it or leave it bid""

There is absolutely no way you can be certain of that unless you took part in the negotiations themselves, and thus - speculation.

Unless of course you are claiming inside info? In which case, how solid is it?

Re Liverpool not wanting to look a soft touch, that's something we can all agree on. They were determined not to allow that to happen, more than likely why all the bids were publicised and with briefings to the press.

But surely we also have to be wary of not looking like a soft touch, as a buyer?

This is my point. Do you not think our negotiations for Sterling could have had a detrimental effect on our negotiations for De Bruyne?

To many outside observers we looked a soft touch. I speculate that as a result we could have made our life more difficult with reaching a deal with Wolfsburg.

And please qualify anything you respond with as speculation/gossip/or off solid inside info.

Cheers.
 
Whilst Wolfsburg have said they do not want to sell De Brunye this summer, they have all but admitted he sees himself at a higher level.

Weighing up all the options it is probably in thier best interests to sell him to us for around £50 million than next season. I say this based on a number of reasons.

Firstly, if Bayern want him next season and turn his head, they will get him for nowhere near the money we are offering them now. It's typical Bayern to tap up the player and let him run his contract down and get him for a reduced value.

Secondly, losing their star player would undoubtedly hurt them, but strengthening their rival at the same time would set them back years. Add to the fact Dortmund will be more settled next season. It makes sense to take the money now and reinvest it carefully.

All this talk about them wanting to keep him and challenge in the CL this season is nonsense aswell. No team will risk £50 million on the off chance of CL progression. They could keep KDB and get a group of death and lose millions. Or they could sell and get a piss easy group and have enough money to build something special.

They know selling him abroad gets them more money and doesn't harm them domestically. Hence why we are prepared to play hardball. And at the end of the day it is all about money.
 
Right, what the fuck is going on, or are you lot just having a ding dong because there's fuck all news about Harry?
 
RichardDunneOwnGoal said:
You are speculating when you say:

"we used the dark arts, that's why we were the only team bidding as I stated"

And:

"there was never a "take it or leave it bid""

There is absolutely no way you can be certain of that unless you took part in the negotiations themselves, and thus - speculation.

Unless of course you are claiming inside info? In which case, how solid is it?

Re Liverpool not wanting to look a soft touch, that's something we can all agree on. They were determined not to allow that to happen, more than likely why all the bids were publicised and with briefings to the press.

But surely we also have to be wary of not looking like a soft touch, as a buyer?

This is my point. Do you not think our negotiations for Sterling could have had a detrimental effect on our negotiations for De Bruyne?

To many outside observers we looked a soft touch. I speculate that as a result we could have made our life more difficult with reaching a deal with Wolfsburg.

And please qualify anything you respond with as speculation/gossip/or off solid inside info.

Cheers.
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Who cares about how we look to outside observers?? The mighty Real Madrid who you claim use "dark arts" have focused their entire transfer window on one player from a club who didn't want or have any need to sell and have yet to get the deal done. Their window started earlier than ours as well. They supposedly turned the player's head a long while ago if those rumors are to be believed. Fact of the matter is when you're dealing with the world's best or top top players it's not going to be so easy to get. World record fees or "paying over the odds" is usually the most likely outcome. The only "dark arts" the likes of Madrid and Barca use is having the ability to break records year after year. Some to the point of needing an investigation to just how much was actually paid.
 
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