De Jong vs Chelsea - COMS

[DD]

Can those who say he is not a world class player define exactly what a defensive midfielder's duties are (because I can never recall Makelele pinging through balls left right and centre). What the fook has the guy gotta do bag hat-trick every game??

De Jong is well and truly world class in my book. Not the best in his position but certainly within the top 5 or 6 (and can there only be 2 world class players in this position or something)?

If he isn't world class please tell me the defensive midfielders that are because my football education must be seriously flawed.

Nice one for all those who have given him a kicking on this thread as well, top boys, top fans, I'm so glad I sit next to you every week.

Cambiasso, Pirlo, Fellaini, Diarra, Yaya Toure, Banega, Renato, Song, Mikel, Fletcher, Keita, Busquets, Mascherano, Essien, Palacios all do the job of protecting the back 4, whilst offering more to the attacking side of the team. It's just that some of these players use less obvious skills such as reading of the game and positional sense, wheras De Jong uses tough tackling and physicality.

That's why i think he's only a good player. He can look spectacular because he's so combative and menacing. But he isn't world class, mainly for the fact that he isn't that good on the ball and he offers almost zero in the opposition's half. Again, i understand that isn't his job, but there are plenty of players who do his job just as effectively, whilst still being effective in the oppositions half. Again i must re-iterate, i understand that we don't use him as that, but that fact is that option will never be there with De Jong, and it's the thing that stops him from being World Class in my book.

It's just an opinion. I rate him as a player. I just think there is an awful lot of games where we'd benefit from a more complete player, playing in his role.

I was going to answer Blue Jim's arsey comments but that does it better than anything I could say and is spot on, 100% right (in my opinion!:))

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

The best midfield performance of its type, in a City shirt, in 30 years of watching us.

World Class? No

Very good player, no question.

Limitations? Yes, like any other player.

Potential to be world class, no doubt.

Some people are clueless. Mascherano is not fit enough to lick De Jong's arse after a curry supper. FACT.

 

[schumey04]

The best midfield performance of its type, in a City shirt, in 30 years of watching us.

World Class? No

Very good player, no question.

Limitations? Yes, like any other player.

Potential to be world class, no doubt.

Some people are clueless. Mascherano is not fit enough to lick De Jong's arse after a curry supper. FACT.

Agreed but just wish he would move forward with the ball a bit more cause Barry keeps on coming back to him for the short ball and ala Sunderland it puts our midfield under pressure, should take a leaf from Essiens book cause I think he can add alot to his game rather than just being a tackler

 

[ono]

The best midfield performance of its type, in a City shirt, in 30 years of watching us.

World Class? No

Very good player, no question.

Limitations? Yes, like any other player.

Potential to be world class, no doubt.

Some people are clueless. Mascherano is not fit enough to lick De Jong's arse after a curry supper. FACT.

Mascherano is better than De Jong, purely for the fact that he can do De Jong's job just as effectively and he has a much better range of passing. I don't need to say FACT because my point backs itself up.

 

[Anonymous]

The best midfield performance of its type, in a City shirt, in 30 years of watching us.

World Class? No

Very good player, no question.

Limitations? Yes, like any other player.

Potential to be world class, no doubt.

Some people are clueless. Mascherano is not fit enough to lick De Jong's arse after a curry supper. FACT.

Mascherano is better than De Jong, purely for the fact that he can do De Jong's job just as effectively and he has a much better range of passing. I don't need to say FACT because my point backs itself up.

I'd have Mascherano over De Jong too. Don't get me wrong, Nige is a bloody good player but Masch has a better all round game.

 

[GStar]

The best midfield performance of its type, in a City shirt, in 30 years of watching us.

World Class? No

Very good player, no question.

Limitations? Yes, like any other player.

Potential to be world class, no doubt.

Some people are clueless. Mascherano is not fit enough to lick De Jong's arse after a curry supper. FACT.

Mascherano is better than De Jong, purely for the fact that he can do De Jong's job just as effectively and he has a much better range of passing. I don't need to say FACT because my point backs itself up.

I don't think Mascherano is half the player De Jong is

 

[oakiecokie]

Mascherano is better than De Jong, purely for the fact that he can do De Jong's job just as effectively and he has a much better range of passing. I don't need to say FACT because my point backs itself up.

I'd have Mascherano over De Jong too. Don't get me wrong, Nige is a bloody good player but Masch has a better all round game.

But how times in a season would you get Mascherano playing,due to his awful disciplinary record.As a minimum you,d lose him for 6 games !!!!

 

[Anonymous]

I'd have Mascherano over De Jong too. Don't get me wrong, Nige is a bloody good player but Masch has a better all round game.

But how times in a season would you get Mascherano playing,due to his awful disciplinary record.As a minimum you,d lose him for 6 games !!!!

Let's have them both. They can take it in turns!

 

[oakiecokie]

But how times in a season would you get Mascherano playing,due to his awful disciplinary record.As a minimum you,d lose him for 6 games !!!!

Let's have them both. They can take it in turns!

Good point,or would Mascho be regarded as another DM player ???
Oh for a Ali B !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

The best midfield performance of its type, in a City shirt, in 30 years of watching us.

World Class? No

Very good player, no question.

Limitations? Yes, like any other player.

Potential to be world class, no doubt.

Some people are clueless. Mascherano is not fit enough to lick De Jong's arse after a curry supper. FACT.

Mascherano is better than De Jong, purely for the fact that he can do De Jong's job just as effectively and he has a much better range of passing. I don't need to say FACT because my point backs itself up.

It is your point, not fact.

Mascherano does not do the same job as De Jong just as effectively. If that were the case, Mascherano would avoid the on average two red cards a season he has acculumated since he came here.

His passing is limited, hence he gives the ball to a superior midfielder in Gerrard, everytime.

His scoring record is as mediocre as De Jong, who does not have the luxury of another ten men behind the ball, as Mascherano does.

Mascherano was embarrassing at West Ham and in terms of tackling ability, by its very definition, he cannot tackle.

Cynical at best, certainly something you cannot level at De Jong.

 

[samy]

Because he is the most over rated player on our books that's why.

Great at tackling in home games but disappears up his own backside when we are away from home - when a player like him should be proving his worth.

His pondering, laboured actions once he has won it, stifle our natural attacking play and his inability to move the ball quickly (or forward) telegraphs the situation to the opposition and allows them all to slot nicely back into their positions to nullify any threat.

Apart from that, he snarls a lot, shakes his fist and impresses kids who used to shout "scrap, scrap" when they saw that tell-tale huddle at the far end of the playground.

Oh and, yes, your video is nice but Samaras looked even more impressive on the You Tube compilation his No.1 fan put together before he signed for us.

Congratz, you know nothing about football.

PMSL !

 

[ono]

Mascherano is better than De Jong, purely for the fact that he can do De Jong's job just as effectively and he has a much better range of passing. I don't need to say FACT because my point backs itself up.

It is your point, not fact.

Mascherano does not do the same job as De Jong just as effectively. If that were the case, Mascherano would avoid the on average two red cards a season he has acculumated since he came here.

His passing is limited, hence he gives the ball to a superior midfielder in Gerrard, everytime.

His scoring record is as mediocre as De Jong, who does not have the luxury of another ten men behind the ball, as Mascherano does.

Mascherano was embarrassing at West Ham and in terms of tackling ability, by its very definition, he cannot tackle.

Cynical at best, certainly something you cannot level at De Jong.

I disagree on his passing range. IMO it's very good. He probably benefits from more movement around him.

You could argue that if De Jong did his job just as effectively, he wouldn't have broken that guys leg the other week.

Not sure what his West Ham career has to do with anything. We're talking about the player now, not 2 years ago.

 

[MCFC87]

Makelele was great at being a DM - his job was to break up play and win the ball and give it to midfielders who CAN create chances.

I don't see De Jong's job being any different - and I think he is bloody good at breaking up play and then laying it off to another player.

If it is different to that this season, I've yet to see him do differently, and pretty much play 8 times out of 10.

My critiscism of him is that as previously mentioned by other posters, he hasn't done it away from home as much as I'd like!!

That's my opinion, don't bloody shoot me over it.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

It is your point, not fact.

Mascherano does not do the same job as De Jong just as effectively. If that were the case, Mascherano would avoid the on average two red cards a season he has acculumated since he came here.

His passing is limited, hence he gives the ball to a superior midfielder in Gerrard, everytime.

His scoring record is as mediocre as De Jong, who does not have the luxury of another ten men behind the ball, as Mascherano does.

Mascherano was embarrassing at West Ham and in terms of tackling ability, by its very definition, he cannot tackle.

Cynical at best, certainly something you cannot level at De Jong.

I disagree on his passing range. IMO it's very good. He probably benefits from more movement around him.

You could argue that if De Jong did his job just as effectively, he wouldn't have broken that guys leg the other week.

Not sure what his West Ham career has to do with anything. We're talking about the player now, not 2 years ago.

My point being, at West Ham, Mascherano was surrounded by less quality than he now has a Liverpool.

When De Jong eventually gets a better midfielder alongside him at City, we will see him flourish.

De Jong is better served watching the play in front of him, Barry's lack of directness and general dynamic in his play, is hindrance to both the player and the starting eleven.

The same reason Ireland has regressed, trying to accomodate Barry's reputation.

 

[ono]

I disagree on his passing range. IMO it's very good. He probably benefits from more movement around him.

You could argue that if De Jong did his job just as effectively, he wouldn't have broken that guys leg the other week.

Not sure what his West Ham career has to do with anything. We're talking about the player now, not 2 years ago.

My point being, at West Ham, Mascherano was surrounded by less quality than he now has a Liverpool.

When De Jong eventually gets a better midfielder alongside him at City, we will see him flourish.

De Jong is better served watching the play in front of him, Barry's lack of directness and general dynamic in his play, is hindrance to both the player and the starting eleven.

The same reason Ireland has regressed, trying to accomodate Barry's reputation.

Yeah i said in my earlier posts that an anchorman would flourish in a team that keeps the ball.....as was the case with Makelele at Real and Chelsea.

I still think De Jong's lack of a solid passing range stops him from being world class.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

My point being, at West Ham, Mascherano was surrounded by less quality than he now has a Liverpool.

When De Jong eventually gets a better midfielder alongside him at City, we will see him flourish.

De Jong is better served watching the play in front of him, Barry's lack of directness and general dynamic in his play, is hindrance to both the player and the starting eleven.

The same reason Ireland has regressed, trying to accomodate Barry's reputation.

Yeah i said in my earlier posts that an anchorman would flourish in a team that keeps the ball.....as was the case with Makelele at Real and Chelsea.

I still think De Jong's lack of a solid passing range stops him from being world class.

Fair do's - but I've yet to see a Dutchman who cannot pass a ball - Ajax fans will tell you he was a very good passer.

 

[ono]

Yeah i said in my earlier posts that an anchorman would flourish in a team that keeps the ball.....as was the case with Makelele at Real and Chelsea.

I still think De Jong's lack of a solid passing range stops him from being world class.

Fair do's - but I've yet to see a Dutchman who cannot pass a ball - Ajax fans will tell you he was a very good passer.

Fair one. We'll see, once he has two quality midfielders in front of him

 

[levets]

class player, love NDJ, my favourite player this season,

overated?

clueless.

my favourite player this season,
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Ahead of Tevez? No way!