De Jong

[Bazzmand Show]

Mate, do you ever actually watch city? De Jong has been great for us, yes he is one dimentional, but he's a class act. Fair enough to say that we play better without him as that's your opinion, but to basically call him a shit player is a lie.

You need to watch a bit harder, De Jongs defensive contribution is usually no more than the players around him but he contributes next to nothing else, in fact often gives the ball away on the rare occasion he tries a forward pass!

Seriously fuck off and go back to your shitting hole.

 

[Neil McNab]

OMG you had to go back to the young, pre injury slim De Jong of about 4 years ago to find one example of ball control pmsl!

How closely do you watch De Jong? Are you one of those idiot piss ants that will throw there arms and sigh whenever he makes a mistake? "OH COME ON DE JONG FOR FUCKS SAKE. GET HIM OFF" You know the ones.....

Personally I think De Jong is incredibly skillful, on the ball, moves the ball from side to side quite a lot and rolls it under his feet. Seen him escape from many players this year.

No, I'm one of the fans who listened to Vieria getting shit whilst De Jong was doing his invisible man act or one that realises when we get pressed back into our own third it's often because his midfield partner has been left exposed and outnumbered further up the pitch and lost the grip on the game.
A midfield that has been shown up by some of the weakest teams in the league this season , regularly, isn't working is it!<br /><br />-- Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:40 pm --<br /><br />

You need to watch a bit harder, De Jongs defensive contribution is usually no more than the players around him but he contributes next to nothing else, in fact often gives the ball away on the rare occasion he tries a forward pass!

Seriously fuck off and go back to your shitting hole.

OK go dip your brain in a vagina, thickness is appreciated there!

 

[Benarbia’s Backheel]

How closely do you watch De Jong? Are you one of those idiot piss ants that will throw there arms and sigh whenever he makes a mistake? "OH COME ON DE JONG FOR FUCKS SAKE. GET HIM OFF" You know the ones.....

Personally I think De Jong is incredibly skillful, on the ball, moves the ball from side to side quite a lot and rolls it under his feet. Seen him escape from many players this year.

No, I'm one of the fans who listened to Vieria getting shit whilst De Jong was doing his invisible man act or one that realises when we get pressed back into our own third it's often because his midfield partner has been left exposed and outnumbered further up the pitch and lost the grip on the game.
A midfield that has been shown up by some of the weakest teams in the league this season , regularly, isn't working is it!

-- Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:40 pm --

Seriously fuck off and go back to your shitting hole.

OK go dip your brain in a vagina, thickness is appreciated there!

I like Vieira, always have, yes he is still rusty but he's getting there. De Jong isn't great at going forward, in fact he's poor at it, but for you to call him a bad player is just wrong. His job is to break up play, not to go forward, if mancini wants forward minded players then he will choose Barry and Vieira who can do both sides of the job. So you're telling me that whenever we've played a top team this season that De Jong's been poor? he's been as influential as Tevez and Bellamy at times, without him Chelsea would have totally dominated us at home, he won everything. You think that because you didn't slag off Vieira that it makes you a good fan? it doesn't, because the fact that you've said what you have about De Jong, and given him no credit whatsoever shows that you don't know football as well as I imagine you think you do. Holland are a great international team, why do you think he starts every match? because he's class, if you can't see that then you're blind. Does he set up attacks? no. Does he play great forward passes? no. Does he put in 100% for the team in every game? and break up every attack? put is body on the line? YES!

Who do you think you are? seriously! our players need our support more than ever and you slag off one of our star performers. I suppose it's your opinion, but it's a shit one.

 

[Neil McNab]

No, I'm one of the fans who listened to Vieria getting shit whilst De Jong was doing his invisible man act or one that realises when we get pressed back into our own third it's often because his midfield partner has been left exposed and outnumbered further up the pitch and lost the grip on the game.
A midfield that has been shown up by some of the weakest teams in the league this season , regularly, isn't working is it!

-- Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:40 pm --


OK go dip your brain in a vagina, thickness is appreciated there!

I like Vieira, always have, yes he is still rusty but he's getting there. De Jong isn't great at going forward, in fact he's poor at it, but for you to call him a bad player is just wrong. His job is to break up play, not to go forward, if mancini wants forward minded players then he will choose Barry and Vieira who can do both sides of the job. So you're telling me that whenever we've played a top team this season that De Jong's been poor? he's been as influential as Tevez and Bellamy at times, without him Chelsea would have totally dominated us at home, he won everything. You think that because you didn't slag off Vieira that it makes you a good fan? it doesn't, because the fact that you've said what you have about De Jong, and given him no credit whatsoever shows that you don't know football as well as I imagine you think you do. Holland are a great international team, why do you think he starts every match? because he's class, if you can't see that then you're blind. Does he set up attacks? no. Does he play great forward passes? no. Does he put in 100% for the team in every game? and break up every attack? put is body on the line? YES!

Who do you think you are? seriously! our players need our support more than ever and you slag off one of our star performers. I suppose it's your opinion, but it's a shit one.

You are wrong.
If you think Mancini sends De Jong onto a pitch with the sole task of "breaking up play" you're mad. He's part of a midfield unit that needs to be able to do everything. One midfielder may be given the role to play in a more defensive way but he still needs to be able to do the lot.
De Jong can't!

 

[blueplan]

Why am I disillusioned with his style of Play? Besides the fact that he can't/didn't score (given the few instances of good goal scoring opportunities he had this season) and when we attacked as a team apparently we played with 'one' player less.

Cogitate on this
1. Pienaar's goal against us at Goodison Park!
2. Arteta's goal @ our turf! Is it true
i. A holding & defensive midfielder is supposed to afford protection to our back four?
ii. Who was the nearest City player & covering Arteta, couldn't keep pace with him given the headstart, didn't 'slide tackle' at instance of Arteta shooting?

Please tell me.

To-date nobody has answered me per above. Perhaps I can help out with this video link
http://asiaplatetv.com/goal.php?id=...mier League&home=Manchester City&away=Everton

Similarly I have given a complete quantitative analysis of the impact of de Jong starts and non-starts on City's performances here in this thread. So far its not been refuted however I will be happy if I stand corrected on my stats.
http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=170142&p=3101497#p3101497

Now to the meat of this post. Much has been posted on de Jong's contribution or role as a holding midfielder on the team. My question is this does de Jong bring out the best from his teammates?

My contention is this can we afford the luxury of a holding midfielder like Makelele vis a vis the Galacticos? No! Why? Simply Because its a team sport.

You can't say my job is not to break up plays, slidetackle etc. Its Makelele's role. Makelele can't say that I broke up plays, slide tackled etc and I can wash my hands off now you Galacticos are paid to score or attack. Right?

On the other hand Barca's is a team we should emulate where every team member ATTACKED together and at least two,three or four (inc. Messi) chased or try to retrieve the ball if its lost. Isn't this a team we want to emulate or strive to be?

Now how do we perceive de Jong's role?

 

[Benarbia’s Backheel]

Why am I disillusioned with his style of Play? Besides the fact that he can't/didn't score (given the few instances of good goal scoring opportunities he had this season) and when we attacked as a team apparently we played with 'one' player less.

Cogitate on this
1. Pienaar's goal against us at Goodison Park!
2. Arteta's goal @ our turf! Is it true
i. A holding & defensive midfielder is supposed to afford protection to our back four?
ii. Who was the nearest City player & covering Arteta, couldn't keep pace with him given the headstart, didn't 'slide tackle' at instance of Arteta shooting?

Please tell me.

To-date nobody has answered me per above. Perhaps I can help out with this video link
http://asiaplatetv.com/goal.php?id=...mier League&home=Manchester City&away=Everton

Similarly I have given a complete quantitative analysis of the impact of de Jong starts and non-starts on City's performances here in this thread. So far its not been refuted however I will be happy if I stand corrected on my stats.
http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=170142&p=3101497#p3101497

Now to the meat of this post. Much has been posted on de Jong's contribution or role as a holding midfielder on the team. My question is this does de Jong bring out the best from his teammates?

My contention is this can we afford the luxury of a holding midfielder like Makelele vis a vis the Galacticos? No! Why? Simply Because its a team sport.

You can't say my job is not to break up plays, slidetackle etc. Its Makelele's role. Makelele can't say that I broke up plays, slide tackled etc and I can wash my hands off now you Galacticos are paid to score or attack. Right?

On the other hand Barca's is a team we should emulate where every team member ATTACKED together and at least two,three or four (inc. Messi) chased or try to retrieve the ball if its lost. Isn't this a team we want to emulate or strive to be?

Now how do we perceive de Jong's role?

I agree with what you've written completely, my problem is when people call him a bad player when he's clearly not.

 

[Seosa]

Never slated Nige, but I dont rate him as highly as a lot of other blues do. Definitely a player who suits certain games.

 

[Lucas North]

de-jong doesn't suit any games, we are a much poorer team alround when he is included ,its that simple .

Well done to Neil Mcnab and blueplan in your patient attempts at educating the lumpen proletariat .

 

[Neil McNab]

de-jong doesn't suit any games, we are a much poorer team alround when he is included ,its that simple .

Well done to Neil Mcnab and blueplan in your patient attempts at educating the lumpen proletariat .

Cheers, god knows I've tried to edumacate them but 5 mad slide tackles a game is all you need to do to please some folk. Common sense will prevail when they see the difference that our new midfield makes to the team next season.
Luddites!

 

[bigmal]

How closely do you watch De Jong? Are you one of those idiot piss ants that will throw there arms and sigh whenever he makes a mistake? "OH COME ON DE JONG FOR FUCKS SAKE. GET HIM OFF" You know the ones.....

Personally I think De Jong is incredibly skillful, on the ball, moves the ball from side to side quite a lot and rolls it under his feet. Seen him escape from many players this year.

No, I'm one of the fans who listened to Vieria getting shit whilst De Jong was doing his invisible man act or one that realises when we get pressed back into our own third it's often because his midfield partner has been left exposed and outnumbered further up the pitch and lost the grip on the game.
A midfield that has been shown up by some of the weakest teams in the league this season , regularly, isn't working is it!

-- Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:40 pm --

Seriously fuck off and go back to your shitting hole.

OK go dip your brain in a vagina, thickness is appreciated there!

Come on boys resorting to personal insults about one of our own is not the way forward.

We all have differing opinions re our beloved team,and the beautiful game,

NMc your opinion RE NDJ obviously differs to mine and a few others,but as you point out we watch different games.

For example your version of Vieras performance v Wigan differs to mine,
IMO it bordered on embarrasing at times and he was carried thro the game by NDJ and others.

But as i say thats what makes football interesting,now lets crack on ,and no more personal stuff eh.