De Jong

[DD]

Before we blame de jong for our 'slow buildup play'

what other candidates do we have?

Barry - lead boots, it's like he's running in treacle, even i would fancy myself against him in a 100metre sprint.

Y.Toure - only quick when facing the direction he want's to go.

so there's our 2 main midfielder's who responsible and between them they can't do.

hence the reason we need a sneijder/gerrard/iniesta/lampard type midfielder.

Milner at the moment is the only replacement we can offer to our midfield, we miss MJ, he's exactly what were crying out for at the moment.

De Jong breaks up the play, dictates the play even when the opposition have the ball, just does just as much off the ball as he does on it if you watch carefully.

so what if de jong isn't super quick in attacks, that's not his job is it ffs.

Every quality defensive midfielder in this world does not just know how to win the ball, they know how to shift it when they have won it. That's why NDJ is not considered by anyone outside of City as being a quality defensive midfielder. He only does half a job.

 

[salfordblues]

Don't kid yourself United would love De jong in their team.

I can't think of many premiership players who's got the bite he's got. De Jong is not there for theatrics. His job is to win the ball break up play and give it simply to the players who can then do something with it. I'll grant you that he has a very simple role in the team but he does it incredibly effectively.

As for forward passing, I'd much rather see him look to see if there's a forward to pass then decide that nothing is on and give him back to vinny or wide to Richards than see him attempt a pass that isn't on,wouldn't you?

As for stats......

Our defeats this season:

Sunderland A - Played
West brom A - Didn't play
Arse H - Played (but we were down to ten early on so can't really count this)
Wolves A - Didnt play
Poznan A - Didn't play
Everton H - Didn't play
Aston Villa A - Played
Man Utd A - Didn't play
Kiev A - Didn't play


There's your stats. 9 defeats in all comps. If we forget about Arse then he's on played in 2 of our 8 defeats this season.

It is official we are a better team and lose fewer games when he plays. FACT.

 

[Ticket For Schalke]

NDJ in not creative midfielder shocker

Again! Nice try, but no one asked that he becomes Silva. You guys make it seem like there are only 2 points between mostly passing it back, and being a creative genius.

It is a sorry argument to say the least! Inler, Assamoah, Benrahmi, Essien, Song, Tiote, Huddlestone, Felliani. Research them! None of them are defense splitting SIlva's.

Underlined usually injured.

I forgot Inler and others mentioned are tearing it up for their sides, Only song plays in a decent side.

 

[Freestyler]

Before we blame de jong for our 'slow buildup play'

what other candidates do we have?

Barry - lead boots, it's like he's running in treacle, even i would fancy myself against him in a 100metre sprint.

Y.Toure - only quick when facing the direction he want's to go.

so there's our 2 main midfielder's who responsible and between them they can't do.

hence the reason we need a sneijder/gerrard/iniesta/lampard type midfielder.

Milner at the moment is the only replacement we can offer to our midfield, we miss MJ, he's exactly what were crying out for at the moment.

De Jong breaks up the play, dictates the play even when the opposition have the ball, just does just as much off the ball as he does on it if you watch carefully.

so what if de jong isn't super quick in attacks, that's not his job is it ffs.

Every quality defensive midfielder in this world does not just know how to win the ball, they know how to shift it when they have won it. That's why NDJ is not considered by anyone outside of City as being a quality defensive midfielder. He only does half a job.

half a job?

so tell me what the other half is then what he doesn't do.

 

[DD]

Every quality defensive midfielder in this world does not just know how to win the ball, they know how to shift it when they have won it. That's why NDJ is not considered by anyone outside of City as being a quality defensive midfielder. He only does half a job.

half a job?

so tell me what the other half is then what he doesn't do.

I've just told you. Read it again!:)

 

[Freestyler]

half a job?

so tell me what the other half is then what he doesn't do.

I've just told you. Read it again!:)

more than half a job though?

so cause he doesn't pick it up and ping it 40 yards to another player means he doesn't do enough?

he does what he does, what he's set out to do.

roberto expects him to to break it up and give it our midfield to take control, he does that.

the day roberto tells de jong to start making defence splitting passes and 30 yard forward charges then i'll worry!

for now he doesn't need to do, he tackles, he holds the middle together, take him out and the whole middle goes down the shitter.

he is the middle man, in the spine of our team.

 

[persvenality cult]

WITH

P30

W21
D6
L3

WITHOUT

P15

W2
D7
L6

EPIC VICTORY

 

[DD]

I've just told you. Read it again!:)

more than half a job though?

so cause he doesn't pick it up and ping it 40 yards to another player means he doesn't do enough?

he does what he does, what he's set out to do.

roberto expects him to to break it up and give it our midfield to take control, he does that.

the day roberto tells de jong to start making defence splitting passes and 30 yard forward charges then i'll worry!

for now he doesn't need to do, he tackles, he holds the middle together, take him out and the whole middle goes down the shitter.

he is the middle man, in the spine of our team.

But a defensive midfielder who wins the ball can still move the ball forward can he? I mean is it a legal entitlement that he has to move it backwards?

QUALITY defensive midfielders, when they win the ball, use it as a springboard to set a forward movement going. NDJ has not got that quality.

I don't dispute he has been a good player for us at times but at other times he just ruins that chance of a quick break because he does not think to look forwards.

The way people talk on here as if he is a world great; well ask anyone outside of City if they think he is a world great and you know what the answer will be.

God I hate the bastard but Roy Keane was worth half a dozen of NDJ. A ball winner who knew how to set up an attacking movement once he had won that ball. NDJ couldn't set up Gary Glitter on a porn charge!

-- Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:31 am --

WITH

P30

W21
D6
L3

WITHOUT

P15

W2
D7
L6

EPIC VICTORY

Yes if we are going to lie about things do it to someone who's thick, not me.

We have just had nine games on the bounce where he missed seven games and made two cameo subs appearances. We won 5, drew 2 and lost 2. :)

 

[Dax777]

Will anyone from the anti De Jong brigade answer this question:

What do you make of the direct correlation between the games in which De Jong plays and the number of games which we win.

Also, what do you make of the correlation between the number of games when De jong is missing and the number of games we lose (everton H, United A are two examples)

You will have to give me the stats here. I don't think there is a massive difference either way.

I do think, and have done for a long while, as many on here will testify, that when he wins the ball, he totally ruins the chance of a quick attack by either knocking it 45 degrees backwards or by pondering too much before a pass forwards.

I was watching TV the other day about a bloke called George Mallory. There is debate about whether he was the first to climb Everest or not. As Edmund Hillary counteracted. "it makes no difference whether he made it or not, it doesn't count unless he made it back". That's De Jong for me. He does the first bit perfectly, yet the second bit's failure means that the first bit might as well never have happened.

He's a limited player that the real big clubs in this world, Barca, Real, dare I say it, United, Chelsea, Inter etc would never touch with a barge pole.

It is a pointless claim. You can make a correlation between games that ANY city player plays and number of games we win!!! Why because we win more than we lose! But lets break down the fallacy above.

Fact is, in the last 2 years City has lost 14 games in which we put out our best squad forward (This excludes the Stoke and Lech Poznan loses, where we used backups mostly) Of those 14 games De Jong played in 10 of those loses. That means he was available in 71 percent of our loses. Oh just for kicks, Isn't it rich that Salfordblue uses Everton and Man U as examples! When in fact we lost to those same teams last year when De Jong played.<br /><br />-- Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:39 pm --<br /><br />

Don't kid yourself United would love De jong in their team.

I can't think of many premiership players who's got the bite he's got. De Jong is not there for theatrics. His job is to win the ball break up play and give it simply to the players who can then do something with it. I'll grant you that he has a very simple role in the team but he does it incredibly effectively.

As for forward passing, I'd much rather see him look to see if there's a forward to pass then decide that nothing is on and give him back to vinny or wide to Richards than see him attempt a pass that isn't on,wouldn't you?

As for stats......

Our defeats this season:

Sunderland A - Played
West brom A - Didn't play
Arse H - Played (but we were down to ten early on so can't really count this)
Wolves A - Didnt play
Poznan A - Didn't play
Everton H - Didn't play
Aston Villa A - Played
Man Utd A - Didn't play
Kiev A - Didn't play


There's your stats. 9 defeats in all comps. If we forget about Arse then he's on played in 2 of our 8 defeats this season.

It is official we are a better team and lose fewer games when he plays. FACT.

Except for this. Last season

ManU played
Tot Played
Everton Played
Hull played
Everton Played
Man U played
Tot played
Man U (Carling Cup) Played
Stoke FA didn't play.

So he played in 8 of our 9 loses. So much for being better :? These are what you call useless stats. As it assumes everythingelse is constant. Which cannot be farther from the truth!

 

[persvenality cult]

NDJ has just had nine games on the bounce where he made two cameo subs appearances. We won 5, drew 2 and lost 2. :)

Won 5 Drew 3 Lost 1

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Nigel de Jong season details 2010/2011

13/03/2011 F.A. Cup Man. City 1-0 Reading 0
05/03/2011 Premier League Man. City * 1-0 Wigan Ath.
02/02/2011 Premier League Birmingham C. 2-2 Man. City
22/01/2011 Premier League Aston Villa 1-0 Man. City
15/01/2011 Premier League Man. City 4-3 Wolves 0
09/01/2011 F.A. Cup Leicester City 2-2 Man. City *
05/01/2011 Premier League Arsenal 0-0 Man. City
01/01/2011 Premier League Man. City 1-0 Blackpoool

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