De Jong

[Dax777]

Absolutely ridiculous

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i'd pick one but they're all the same. >80% completion, short passes, long passes, forward passes, passes to every member of the team, diagonal passes to attacking positions on the flanks, and in 9/10 of them, successful passes into the box (which is more than you can say for Barry).

Whilst your there dax, check a few games, i jusr picked the newc game, passes forward alot more than back.

Well, lets use the New Castle game.
De Jong- 39 passes, 32 completions, 7 incompletions
Barry- 37 passes, 29 completions, 8 incompletions

De Jong: 2 tackles won
Barry: 3 tackles won

De Jong: 0 blocks
Barry: 2 blocks

De Jong: 0 clearances
Barry: 2 clearances

De Jong: 2 interceptions
Barry: 3 interceptions

Barry was better at everything De Jong is supposed to be better at. And just as average passing the ball. A closer look, and you see that De jong lost 6 of his 7 passes inside our half. Barry lost 3 of his 8.

We can keep delving into the facts. I actually like this. It males everything clearer :)

 

[blueplan]

His offensive abilities or lack of it is evident.

His defensive lapses leaves a lot to be desire especially when he let an overlapping Etherington to outpace him and score!

There are nunerous defensive lapses (which rather than regurgitated them please help yourself to peruse my posts on Nigel herein this forum).

Suffice to say he ain't no Mascherano or Makelele.

 

[Dax777]

De Jong is no faster than Barry

That's it, I'm finished talking to you lot.

Why did you test them at a 40 yard dash and De Jong won? Dude, they are both slow. Just coz folks like picking on Barry and call him grandma, doesn't make another slow player faster.<br /><br />-- Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:47 pm --<br /><br />

His offensive abilities or lack of it is evident.

His defensive lapses leaves a lot to be desire especially when he let an overlapping Etherington to outpace him and score!

There are nunerous defensive lapses (which rather than regurgitated them please help yourself to peruse my posts on Nigel herein this forum).

Suffice to say he ain't no Mascherano or Makelele.

It cannot be! Don't you know De Jong is not Barry slow? how could Etherington outpace him. Seriously, it must have been Barry's fault!

 

[Any1aBlue]

is starting to remind me of Garry Flitcroft. He only ever passes sideways or backwards, and it really slows us down.

We're really are in trouble then - he's our best player!

 

[Neil McNab]

After the first ten games this season it was obvious our midfiled wasn't upto snuff, I said so on here and told to fuck off. De Jong is OK, he's no where near being one of the best players in his position at City, never mind the premier league, Kompany would be amazing there. Players like De Jong are two a penny and more often than not end up on the sidelines, just look at Diara, Palacios etc.
Barry & Yaya are average ploddy grafters just like De Jong, FFS Yaya can't even walk with out limping. We never commit enough numbers when we go forwards because our midfiled plays so deep, we have little width and hardly any pace. We'll continue to fail as long as we use this midfield with this formation.

 

[Project]

more than half a job though?

so cause he doesn't pick it up and ping it 40 yards to another player means he doesn't do enough?

he does what he does, what he's set out to do.

roberto expects him to to break it up and give it our midfield to take control, he does that.

the day roberto tells de jong to start making defence splitting passes and 30 yard forward charges then i'll worry!

for now he doesn't need to do, he tackles, he holds the middle together, take him out and the whole middle goes down the shitter.

he is the middle man, in the spine of our team.

But a defensive midfielder who wins the ball can still move the ball forward can he? I mean is it a legal entitlement that he has to move it backwards?

QUALITY defensive midfielders, when they win the ball, use it as a springboard to set a forward movement going. NDJ has not got that quality.

I don't dispute he has been a good player for us at times but at other times he just ruins that chance of a quick break because he does not think to look forwards.

The way people talk on here as if he is a world great; well ask anyone outside of City if they think he is a world great and you know what the answer will be.

God I hate the bastard but Roy Keane was worth half a dozen of NDJ. A ball winner who knew how to set up an attacking movement once he had won that ball. NDJ couldn't set up Gary Glitter on a porn charge!

-- Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:31 am --

WITH

P30

W21
D6
L3

WITHOUT

P15

W2
D7
L6

EPIC VICTORY

Yes if we are going to lie about things do it to someone who's thick, not me.

We have just had nine games on the bounce where he missed seven games and made two cameo subs appearances. We won 5, drew 2 and lost 2. :)

Games where we played Championship opposition 3 or 4 times, a second string Villa side, Wigan, West Brom etc.

The stats comparing our performance with and without him for the whole of the season are startling and pretty much end any debate about whether we are better with or without him.

A point I always make about De Jong is that when he plays teams don't get through us in the middle. You saw it again last night. VK and JLs jobs were made pretty easy. The problem with pass and tackle stats is that they can be incredibly misleading and don't give credit for the positional play in a game. You compare Barrys stats as a DM and they look the same. But we also look far more vulnerable to opposition attacks when he plays there. De Jong has that knack of knowing where to be.

Is there room for improvement in his distribution? Absolutely. By no means is he perfect. But he is fantastic at doing the job he is told to do. And our record with him in a Mancini side is impeccable.

 

[Neil McNab]

But a defensive midfielder who wins the ball can still move the ball forward can he? I mean is it a legal entitlement that he has to move it backwards?

QUALITY defensive midfielders, when they win the ball, use it as a springboard to set a forward movement going. NDJ has not got that quality.

I don't dispute he has been a good player for us at times but at other times he just ruins that chance of a quick break because he does not think to look forwards.

The way people talk on here as if he is a world great; well ask anyone outside of City if they think he is a world great and you know what the answer will be.

God I hate the bastard but Roy Keane was worth half a dozen of NDJ. A ball winner who knew how to set up an attacking movement once he had won that ball. NDJ couldn't set up Gary Glitter on a porn charge!

-- Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:31 am --



Yes if we are going to lie about things do it to someone who's thick, not me.

We have just had nine games on the bounce where he missed seven games and made two cameo subs appearances. We won 5, drew 2 and lost 2. :)

Games where we played Championship opposition 3 or 4 times, a second string Villa side, Wigan, West Brom etc.

The stats comparing our performance with and without him for the whole of the season are startling and pretty much end any debate about whether we are better with or without him.

A point I always make about De Jong is that when he plays teams don't get through us in the middle. You saw it again last night. VK and JLs jobs were made pretty easy. The problem with pass and tackle stats is that they can be incredibly misleading and don't give credit for the positional play in a game. You compare Barrys stats as a DM and they look the same. But we also look far more vulnerable to opposition attacks when he plays there. De Jong has that knack of knowing where to be.

Is there room for improvement in his distribution? Absolutely. By no means is he perfect. But he is fantastic at doing the job he is told to do. And our record with him in a Mancini side is impeccable.

All your stats prove is that we don't have another player in the squad who can play the same way with the discipline as Nigel De Jong, or that we're effected when another player is moved to fill that role, wonky logic. The bigger picture is that this formation doesn't work and that there is no room for a player like De Jong if we change it. Seen it all before under Mr Kendall, in those days De Jong's were called sweepers!

 

[BlueRudders]

is starting to remind me of Garry Flitcroft. He only ever passes sideways or backwards, and it really slows us down.

Get back to Trafford you idiot

 

[Project]

Games where we played Championship opposition 3 or 4 times, a second string Villa side, Wigan, West Brom etc.

The stats comparing our performance with and without him for the whole of the season are startling and pretty much end any debate about whether we are better with or without him.

A point I always make about De Jong is that when he plays teams don't get through us in the middle. You saw it again last night. VK and JLs jobs were made pretty easy. The problem with pass and tackle stats is that they can be incredibly misleading and don't give credit for the positional play in a game. You compare Barrys stats as a DM and they look the same. But we also look far more vulnerable to opposition attacks when he plays there. De Jong has that knack of knowing where to be.

Is there room for improvement in his distribution? Absolutely. By no means is he perfect. But he is fantastic at doing the job he is told to do. And our record with him in a Mancini side is impeccable.

All your stats prove is that we don't have another player in the squad who can play the same way with the discipline as Nigel De Jong, or that we're effected when another player is moved to fill that role, wonky logic. The bigger picture is that this formation doesn't work and that there is no room for a player like De Jong if we change it. Seen it all before under Mr Kendall, in those days De Jong's were called sweepers!

Wait, so Mancini is wrong for having a system that works, and one that utilises the strengths of a key player?

Talk about wonky logic.

 

[Bill]

Such a stupid post, have you took note when he has been injured and not in the team? What a fucking difference it makes when hes in the team?
Gives his all, win's countless number of balls back a game, fantastic at intercepting/tackling
First name on the team sheet.. jesus

bang on the money.