Deal agreed with Bayern Munich for Leroy Sane - €60m (including add-ons)

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NorCalBlue said:
Won't get nearly enough: Ibe >> Sterling, Sterling >= Sane, so if Sane = 100 million, Ibe must be worth about 150 million by now.
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I don't think its shameful to admit that there are some players who will probably always be beyond our reach. Ronaldo, Messi Ibe ............
One can but dream though.
 
I still don't understand why Sané isn't played on the right. I don't understand why Pep doubt his ability to play there.
Sterling did great on the right side last season, and is now used to cut inside more. Sané should learn how to use his right foot for crosses, and then cut inside with his left, exactly like Mahrez. The difference is, I think Sané would pose more of a threat on the right than Mahrez. Fast, killer shot and great dribbler.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
I think with Pep, about 2/3 of the squad start at zero every Monday morning!

He consistently talks about training and who has caught his eye this week, and I just think Leroy is possibly one of those lackadaisical trainers. I know I’ve seen them before (back in the .late 70s, early 80s) at top teams, yet they didn’t have the luxury of another international on the bench. Also, today ALL players are monitored, so the ones doggin training stick out like a sore thumb on the computer!

I’d love to see him stay, be a regular option (both starting and on the bench), but I think two parts of his game are lacking when you compare him to the players with whom he is competing:

The ability to go either way, because his “wrong” foot needs serious work), and

His ability to not lose the ball as we are attacking with 8 players, except on the last ball.

Sterling, Bernardo & Mahrez can all turn defenders inside out because on either side of the field, they can come inside or go outside. Leroy can’t. When on the left, he has very little inside threat, and it’s all about the cross (which is no mean feat when you see how he can get to the byline!). When he is on the right, he has little to no “down the line” threat, as you know he is coming inside.

On losing the ball, I think he has done a good job of working his tail off to win it back. However, it is his decision-making on whether to hit the simple ball (and play the percentages) or try the audacious flick/touch to spring the defence, that is his problem. Both have their time and place, but they depend on the structure of the team when he does it. Too often, he leaves his full back and even his midfielder in no man’s land, because he hasn’t dissed out which decision the team is set up for. This is especially true when Fernandinho isn’t playing as the covering DM.

Pep’s teams live to possess the ball. However, if we stream forward to support an attack, we are generally committing 8 players (occasionally only 7, but usually 8) to the attack. If that breaks down because of poor thinking, poor technique, or a simple lack of understanding of “the moment,” then you have just fold at least 5 of those players down the river...unless YOU immediately retrieve the ball, it (at a minimum) pressure the ball sufficiently well to stop the counter.

Leroy is learning, to be sure, but he needs to learn quicker! Bernardo has been a revelation and is only a touch older than Leroy. It is impossible to drop Bernardo to accommodate Leroy, unless you drop Sterling, who just had his best season ever.

That said, I think Bernardo’s future is in midfield, not on the wing. I’m not sure if that means LM (vice David), as KDB prefers RM, but he can definitely play RW/RM/LM.

Ideally, with what we have today, I’d like to see

KDB.......FERNANDINHO.....BERNARDO
STERLING.....AGUERO.............SANÉ

...but that also creates the issue of a one dimensional/one position player causing everyone else to adjust, as Leroy is an almost exclusive LW.

We did see him play inside a few times, or at least a few cameos in the Inside Left position, but rarely.

In short (too late?!), he needs to not only improve what he already does, but also add another string or two to his bow, IF he wants to work to be a City player in this team, especially considering we are entering the second wave of squad rebuilding and new faces are coming.
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you had
Ideally, with what we have today, I’d like to see

KDB.......FERNANDINHO.....BERNARDO
STERLING.....AGUERO.............SANÉ


bernardo plays primarily on the right, and does his best work there.
for that reason my preferred setup wouldn't include sane to start at this time,

-----------------edo-----------------------
Danilo---stones----laporte---zinchenko
---------------fernandinho-----------------
---berny------------------------merlin------
-------------------KDB------------------------
-------sterling------------aguero-----------

like you eluded to some of Sane's shortcomings, these guys are all better on the ball and read the space and game better.
our outside backs do a nice job down the flanks attacking and as long as our centerbacks stay responsible we are not too open to the counter,
at least until other teams improve or get better at adapting.
the Danilo pick could be up for debate, but for me although Walker's a good defender, his two left feet and attack play are lacking.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
I think with Pep, about 2/3 of the squad start at zero every Monday morning!

He consistently talks about training and who has caught his eye this week, and I just think Leroy is possibly one of those lackadaisical trainers. I know I’ve seen them before (back in the .late 70s, early 80s) at top teams, yet they didn’t have the luxury of another international on the bench. Also, today ALL players are monitored, so the ones doggin training stick out like a sore thumb on the computer!

I’d love to see him stay, be a regular option (both starting and on the bench), but I think two parts of his game are lacking when you compare him to the players with whom he is competing:

The ability to go either way, because his “wrong” foot needs serious work), and

His ability to not lose the ball as we are attacking with 8 players, except on the last ball.

Sterling, Bernardo & Mahrez can all turn defenders inside out because on either side of the field, they can come inside or go outside. Leroy can’t. When on the left, he has very little inside threat, and it’s all about the cross (which is no mean feat when you see how he can get to the byline!). When he is on the right, he has little to no “down the line” threat, as you know he is coming inside.

On losing the ball, I think he has done a good job of working his tail off to win it back. However, it is his decision-making on whether to hit the simple ball (and play the percentages) or try the audacious flick/touch to spring the defence, that is his problem. Both have their time and place, but they depend on the structure of the team when he does it. Too often, he leaves his full back and even his midfielder in no man’s land, because he hasn’t dissed out which decision the team is set up for. This is especially true when Fernandinho isn’t playing as the covering DM.

Pep’s teams live to possess the ball. However, if we stream forward to support an attack, we are generally committing 8 players (occasionally only 7, but usually 8) to the attack. If that breaks down because of poor thinking, poor technique, or a simple lack of understanding of “the moment,” then you have just fold at least 5 of those players down the river...unless YOU immediately retrieve the ball, it (at a minimum) pressure the ball sufficiently well to stop the counter.

Leroy is learning, to be sure, but he needs to learn quicker! Bernardo has been a revelation and is only a touch older than Leroy. It is impossible to drop Bernardo to accommodate Leroy, unless you drop Sterling, who just had his best season ever.

That said, I think Bernardo’s future is in midfield, not on the wing. I’m not sure if that means LM (vice David), as KDB prefers RM, but he can definitely play RW/RM/LM.

Ideally, with what we have today, I’d like to see

KDB.......FERNANDINHO.....BERNARDO
STERLING.....AGUERO.............SANÉ

...but that also creates the issue of a one dimensional/one position player causing everyone else to adjust, as Leroy is an almost exclusive LW.

We did see him play inside a few times, or at least a few cameos in the Inside Left position, but rarely.

In short (too late?!), he needs to not only improve what he already does, but also add another string or two to his bow, IF he wants to work to be a City player in this team, especially considering we are entering the second wave of squad rebuilding and new faces are coming.
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I prefer the in short bit lol
He had a great season before last,with raz it was our best formation and balance,not sure why pep changed things so much last season so he couldn't get in,thing is he is a high risk player but he makes me get off my seat like no other player in the team does and i'm desperate for him to stay.I remember lots of players saying sergio was a bad trainer but match day he turned it on,maybe sane is the same,maybe he is behind raz and bernie in his developement and consistancy,i don't like comparing young players because they all mature at different times,here's hoping what Ric said is true
 
peace frog said:
how fucking ridicules, course he has to improve, pep has to improve, eric,kdb, bernado, eddie,ect ect , everyone one of the squad has to improve or they will be out on their arses
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I think repeating his form last season is enough.
Compare his numbers when he played regularly as LW, it was good enough for any team.
 
br88 said:
It's amazing to think Hoeness is a convicted criminal and was given 3.5 years in prison. Seven serious counts of tax evasion totalling 28 million euros and admitted his guilt. And, then, incredibly, Bayern Munich made him their President again on release...what kind of club does that. They have also been at the forefront of those attacking City over recent years.
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The president is voted by the fans. The fans voted him back with nearly 100 per cent.
 
gingerprince said:
POTY VVD needed to take Leroy out & concede penalty v Liverpool away and Leroy scored winner v Liverpool at home

Has lightening pace, balance, technique, quick feet, scores goals, assists & free kick specialist & all proven @ PL level.

And hes young too, he has everything you would be looking for if you were looking for a player to strengthen this team.

Hopefully he stays.
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that maybe, I certainly don't have the answer but this is rather obvious,
but it's about attitude, training effort, Pep's perception, and club requirements from squad to financials, and all the other things we don't know about.
hope he stays as well.
 
mikemcfc said:
you had
Ideally, with what we have today, I’d like to see

KDB.......FERNANDINHO.....BERNARDO
STERLING.....AGUERO.............SANÉ


bernardo plays primarily on the right, and does his best work there.
for that reason my preferred setup wouldn't include sane to start at this time,

-----------------edo-----------------------
Danilo---stones----laporte---zinchenko
---------------fernandinho-----------------
---berny------------------------merlin------
-------------------KDB------------------------
-------sterling------------aguero-----------

like you eluded to some of Sane's shortcomings, these guys are all better on the ball and read the space and game better.
our outside backs do a nice job down the flanks attacking and as long as our centerbacks stay responsible we are not too open to the counter,
at least until other teams improve or get better at adapting.
the Danilo pick could be up for debate, but for me although Walker's a good defender, his two left feet and attack play are lacking.
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All well and good, but we usually play 2-3-2-3, and Kevin much prefers to play on the right side of the two AMs.
 
karen7 said:
I prefer the in short bit lol
He had a great season before last,with raz it was our best formation and balance,not sure why pep changed things so much last season so he couldn't get in,thing is he is a high risk player but he makes me get off my seat like no other player in the team does and i'm desperate for him to stay.I remember lots of players saying sergio was a bad trainer but match day he turned it on,maybe sane is the same,maybe he is behind raz and bernie in his developement and consistancy,i don't like comparing young players because they all mature at different times,here's hoping what Ric said is true
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Nothing to disagree with there, except perhaps we don’t have the luxury of having ANY player not doing what is necessary at all times, especially ine so young. Don’t forget, Sergio got sat down for a stretch when he appeared unwilling (unable?) to out in the work, but (for me) has had his best season yet this year, showing new found mobility and link up play.

I hope Leroy stays and develops, because I like the look and sound of a an attacking 5 of Bernardo, KDB, Sterling, Aguero/Jesus, and Sané. That would strike fear in any team in earth.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
All well and good, but we usually play 2-3-2-3, and Kevin much prefers to play on the right side of the two AMs.
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bernardo doesnt play in the middle from what i've seen with fernandinho in the side playing the middle one just up from the backs. its more of a diamond thing, of course football is fluid and players sometimes are distributed differently but thats good football to exploit space.

edit: oh and that was nice of kevin to tell you what he prefers. ;)
couldn't resist
 
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br88 said:
It's amazing to think Hoeness is a convicted criminal and was given 3.5 years in prison. Seven serious counts of tax evasion totalling 28 million euros and admitted his guilt. And, then, incredibly, Bayern Munich made him their President again on release...what kind of club does that. They have also been at the forefront of those attacking City over recent years.
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Pep and Ueli Hoeness are very good friends.
 
mikemcfc said:
bernardo doesnt play in the middle from what i've seen with fernandinho in the side playing the middle one just up from the backs. its more of a diamond thing, of course football is fluid and players sometimes are distributed differently but thats good football to exploit space.

edit: oh and that was nice of kevin to tell you what he prefers. ;)
couldn't resist
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Once more, slowly this time ;-)

............CB............CB
....RB............DM............LB
...........RM...........LM
....RW............CF.............LW

And, if you can’t see that KDB is a preferred R(A)M, then I can’t help you. Yes, Bernardo plays out on the RW, as he also PREFERS the right side and cutting in on his left peg, but when KDB comes on, if Bernardo was playing RM, he shifts to LM.

As just the most recent example, look at the series of Wembley subs and who moved where when.
 
jimharri said:
"Massive"?

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Lol .
 
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