I give in, anyone who can use the word parthsomething or other is a better man than me, besides, I was only pissing about. :-)
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GortonBlue62
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I'm relieved. Thought you were being serious for a while there :-)I give in, anyone who can use the word parthsomething or other is a better man than me, besides, I was only pissing about. :-)
No, I believe in science but sometimes, when this place gets depressing, Huw Edward's, (Blue on Blue) the stabbings (so sad) and that poor bloke who got banned from the joke thread, what was his name again?, I just need to have a bit of fun.I'm relieved. Thought you were being serious for a while there :-)
Bill Walker
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I'm tempted to say Whoooosh..;)Give me a fucking break stop and read the facts, not what you want to believe.
Calm down mate this is a foolish fantasy thread.
Main one what......**** ? :)Morrissey being the main one
I disagree profoundly with your first sentence. Morals arise from within. If some guy in a robe says something is a sin because god says so, that is control and should never be the basis of laws.Control is just a prejudicial way of describing a set of moral values and laws based upon them. Society functions only with them accepted and in place. It may be we'll never penetrate the religious tenets followed by microbes and bacteria though.
We had laws against male homosexual activity for 100 years. That was not moral, it was just the view of a powerful church and caused millions of people extreme unhappiness. We put people in jail, FFS.
Magicpole
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It must have been similar to us buying one of those shitty pack wardrobes when you always have stuff left over. Last week I built one and had a complete Roman aquaduct left. Same deal with god.The Earth is around 4,500,000,000 years old or 1,642,500,000,000 days old. But yes of course we should believe a book written 2000 years ago (by people who knew no better let's face it) which says that god created it all in 7.
Carbon dating alone proves that god does not exist, or at least that story is bollocks anyway.
Why did he also bother to create a trillion other galaxies, stars and planets with absolutely nothing on them in the meantime?
johnny crossan
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Soren knew a thing or two“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” – Soren Kierkegaard
I guess you pay your money and take your chances.
Anyone that had a malt loaf named after him should be listened to.Soren knew a thing or two
johnny crossan
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Historically, religious doctrine both shapes and reflects social attitudes and in practice often simply adds authority to the majority view as reflected in law. In our secular culture the revelatory source of our legal system is often not understood and the imprinting of Judaeo Christian values goes similarly unrecognised. Interesting article on the subject linked below in case it is of interest, although clearly not appropriate for this context.I disagree profoundly with your first sentence. Morals arise from within. If some guy in a robe says something is a sin because god says so, that is control and should never be the basis of laws.
We had laws against male homosexual activity for 100 years. That was not moral, it was just the view of a powerful church and caused millions of people extreme unhappiness. We put people in jail, FFS.
https://brill.com/view/journals/jrat/7/1/article-p3_2.xml?language=en&ebody=pdf-117260
That’s where we differ. Religious doctrine has never, in my view, reflected social views, just the view of a section, riding rough shod over the majority. That’s why they came to be widely ignored in the secular age. People started to live by their own beliefs, not something imposed.Historically, religious doctrine both shapes and reflects social attitudes and in practice often simply adds authority to the majority view as reflected in law. In our secular culture the revelatory source of our legal system is often not understood and the imprinting of Judaeo Christian values goes similarly unrecognised. Interesting article on the subject linked below in case it is of interest, although clearly not appropriate for this context.
https://brill.com/view/journals/jrat/7/1/article-p3_2.xml?language=en&ebody=pdf-117260
Resurrection Joe...
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its entirely possible the 'son of God' was misquoted. fkin journos even back then.Tricky.
The 'son of god' claimed his mum was a virgin.
To my knowledge, Charles Darwin, didn't think parthenogenesis was viable as an explanation of mammalian evolution.
If I wasn't an atheist I'd pray for guidance.
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So Darwin was wrong all along?He didn't create the earth. He created us and of that we should be thankful.
And it’s not what David Attenborough told me in his series, Life On Earth in the '70s.
johnny crossan
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With respect I simply don't think you are correct, even in our secular western European societies. 85% of people currently living - and 99.999% of those who have ever lived - have a religious faith underpinning their moral code.That’s where we differ. Religious doctrine has never, in my view, reflected social views, just the view of a section, riding rough shod over the majority. That’s why they came to be widely ignored in the secular age. People started to live by their own beliefs, not something imposed.
What’s that got to do with enacted laws? That’s the point.With respect I simply don't think you are correct, even in our secular western European societies. 85% of people currently living - and 99.999% of those who have ever lived - have a religious faith underpinning their moral code.
Secondly, you have to assume that those religious beliefs encompass a moral code which I would argue with. They are power structures. Think of men in the RC church in Ireland denouncing Protestant schools and businesses as evil from the pulpit. Your 99% believed that was moral did they? If so, I wouldn’t give tuppence for their moral code.
You may equate religion with morals, I don’t.
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While I have no truck for religion of any kind, Western society,s law is based on the Ten Commandments.With respect I simply don't think you are correct, even in our secular western European societies. 85% of people currently living - and 99.999% of those who have ever lived - have a religious faith underpinning their moral code.
johnny crossan
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Our laws are based on basic principles derived from accepted religious beliefs.What’s that got to do with enacted laws? That’s the point.
Wrong wrong wrong. Religious propaganda. Do you really swallow the ideaOur laws are based on basic principles derived from accepted religious beliefs.
( for eg) that “Thou shalt not murder” is Judaeo Christian?
The death penalty, the removal of rights from other religions, the legal disability of women: just a few examples of English law through the ages. Do you really think these were accepted religious beliefs? Accepted by whom?
But yesterday’s events in Southport show what happens when each has their own moral code. Morality has to be based on the common good and in some way that, for me at any rate, depends on trying to fathom what the purpose of this great big universe is. I find it very difficult to rationalise the thought that this massive and intricately complex universe does not have a purpose.Wrong wrong wrong. Religious propaganda. Do you really swallow the idea ( for eg) that “Thou shalt not murder” is Judaeo Christian?
what's that got to do with anything?but you are still here ;-)