Dear Atheists..

[jimharri]

No using CAPS at the start of sentences annoys some people, too.

But not in the rules of the forum.

 

[Marklr]

First line...

"Avoid shouting (i.e. ALL CAPS) in threads and txt spk, as it has a habit of annoying other users"

It says using ALL caps...and...like I've just done, it can be used to empathize certain words. Callum is just being silly and childish. I don't need to put anyone on ignore..I've got no bad feelings toward anyone. I've stuck to the subject.

 

[Damocles]

For emphasizing certain words? Ok. It's normal elsewhere.

Might be a generational thing? In pre-social media Internet, it was always considered to be shouting. Emphasis was usually done using emboldening or italics but the "caps for emphasis" IS something that I do myself at times. I think I actually prefer it tbh but the rules are the rules are the rules, etc

 

[calumdown]

be serious mate for once
do you really believe

when mankind has died out science will no longer exist.

okay,
it goes against my nature,
but i'll try to be serious this one time just for you, mate...

science was invented by mankind as a way to try to explain things we don't understand.
would you agree with that statement?

people devote their lives to both science and religion in an attempt to try to come to understanding of what is going on out there.
would you agree with that statement?

religion is by far and away the poorest attempt at finding an explanation.
it is basically superstition,
any rational mind should be able to conclude it's made up.
and yet,
a very sizable percentage of mankind believes it to be true.

it can be explained away to some extent, though.
imagine living thousands of years ago.
there was no rain one summer.
the crops didn't grow.
people starved.
what could they do?
they thought the gods must be angry with them.

eostre was the goddess of dawn for the original tribes of what we now call scandinavia.
her name came from "east",
the direction from which the sun arrived every morning,
and her special festival was the spring equinox.
in winter the pagans would sacrifice a "year king",
a human victim, buried in the fields,
his body would magically come to life again with the rising grains
and everyone could share in the miracle of his rebirth,
by eating the bread that was made of the grain.
the christian festival of easter embraced these pre-christian traditions.
bede copied it for the catholics as christ's resurrection.
religion does not exist.
humankind invented it.
a hell of (forgive me believers) believe religion is a real thing.
it isn't real.
it is an attempt to explain shit we can't get our heads round.

allow me to paraphrase here,
but some people didn't agree with the religious explanations.
they thought fuck that superstitious shit & sought out another path.
thus was born science.

at first in involved all sorts of alchemy and nonsense,
astronomy was really the thing that started to sway minds into thinking science was maybe correct,
and eventually it actually narrowed itself down into very serious shit.
scientists came up with some extremely convincing explanations of what the fuck is happening out there.

they weren't right, but they seemed right at the time.
over the years scientists have constantly updated things.
scientists to this day are constantly updating science.
it is an ever evolving process.
what came before is no longer considered correct.
we are regularly being told by scientists that science was wrong before this new idea came along yesterday.

how can we possibly have faith in this new idea, though?
they collide atoms at ridiculous speeds and say believe us, this is the truth, have faith in my new theory now.
they seek out particles that only exist on paper.

dark this and dark that.
no actual proof of any of them,
but honestly have faith in our calculations.
give us some more funding.

okay okay,
for sure science has perfectly explained some things.
it has helped with medicines and our understanding of how stars are born and so on and so on

but science isn't real.
science doesn't actually exist.
it is merely mankind's attempt at an explanation of things.
science is annotations of mankind's thoughts.

the universe is the universe.
the universe has existed for yonks.
when mankind is long gone the universe will continue to exist for yonks more.
beyond earth there is no such thing as science.
it is made up.
it isn't a real thing.
humankind invented it just like we invented god.

 

[calumdown]

It says using ALL caps...and...like I've just done, it can be used to empathize certain words. Callum is just being silly and childish. I don't need to put anyone on ignore..I've got no bad feelings toward anyone. I've stuck to the subject.

you haven't even got the wherewithal to correctly spell my name.

 

[Marklr]

Might be a generational thing? In pre-social media Internet, it was always considered to be shouting. Emphasis was usually done using emboldening or italics but the "caps for emphasis" IS something that I do myself at times. I think I actually prefer it tbh but the rules are the rules are the rules, etc

The rule is using all caps. haha...just sussed out how to use 'italics'. Never bothered to look before....I prefer to use CAPS too. Some people just like to cry about anything.

 

[Ric]

Might be a generational thing? In pre-social media Internet, it was always considered to be shouting. Emphasis was usually done using emboldening or italics but the "caps for emphasis" IS something that I do myself at times. I think I actually prefer it tbh but the rules are the rules are the rules, etc

Tbh, when those rules were written years ago, it was in response to people using caps for their entire posts, not just to emphasise specific words. I haven't really got a problem with the latter myself, but can see why some might think it's a bit confrontational.

 

[Damocles]

okay,
it goes against my nature,
but i'll try to be serious this one time just for you, mate...

science was invented by mankind as a way to try to explain things we don't understand.
would you agree with that statement?

people devote their lives to both science and religion in an attempt to try to come to understanding of what is going on out there.
would you agree with that statement?

religion is by far and away the poorest attempt at finding an explanation.
it is basically superstition,
any rational mind should be able to conclude it's made up.
and yet,
a very sizable percentage of mankind believes it to be true.

it can be explained away to some extent, though.
imagine living thousands of years ago.
there was no rain one summer.
the crops didn't grow.
people starved.
what could they do?
they thought the gods must be angry with them.

eostre was the goddess of dawn for the original tribes of what we now call scandinavia.
her name came from "east",
the direction from which the sun arrived every morning,
and her special festival was the spring equinox.
in winter the pagans would sacrifice a "year king",
a human victim, buried in the fields,
his body would magically come to life again with the rising grains
and everyone could share in the miracle of his rebirth,
by eating the bread that was made of the grain.
the christian festival of easter embraced these pre-christian traditions.
bede copied it for the catholics as christ's resurrection.
religion does not exist.
humankind invented it.
a hell of (forgive me believers) believe religion is a real thing.
it isn't real.
it is an attempt to explain shit we can't get our heads round.

allow me to paraphrase here,
but some people didn't agree with the religious explanations.
they thought fuck that superstitious shit & sought out another path.
thus was born science.

at first in involved all sorts of alchemy and nonsense,
astronomy was really the thing that started to sway minds into thinking science was maybe correct,
and eventually it actually narrowed itself down into very serious shit.
scientists came up with some extremely convincing explanations of what the fuck is happening out there.

they weren't right, but they seemed right at the time.
over the years scientists have constantly updated things.
scientists to this day are constantly updating science.
it is an ever evolving process.
what came before is no longer considered correct.
we are regularly being told by scientists that science was wrong before this new idea came along yesterday.

how can we possibly have faith in this new idea, though?
they collide atoms at ridiculous speeds and say believe us, this is the truth, have faith in my new theory now.
they seek out particles that only exist on paper.

dark this and dark that.
no actual proof of any of them,
but honestly have faith in our calculations.
give us some more funding.

okay okay,
for sure science has perfectly explained some things.
it has helped with medicines and our understanding of how stars are born and so on and so on

but science isn't real.
science doesn't actually exist.
it is merely mankind's attempt at an explanation of things.
science is annotations of mankind's thoughts.

the universe is the universe.
the universe has existed for yonks.
when mankind is long gone the universe will continue to exist for yonks more.
beyond earth there is no such thing as science.
it is made up.
it isn't a real thing.
humankind invented it just like we invented god.

That argument is a useless argument though because it doesn't go anywhere. You can say that maths isn't real and was invented by humans but it still makes bridges work.

Maths, religion, science, etc all make changes to the world and the people that live in it. That makes them as real as anything else.

Without the ability to agree on abstractions and stick to literals then we couldn't have developed language and civilization. Some people think that human's ability to create and share metaphors was the single biggest forcing in the development of consciousness.

 

[calumdown]

That argument is a useless argument though because it doesn't go anywhere. You can say that maths isn't real and was invented by humans but it still makes bridges work.

Maths, religion, science, etc all make changes to the world and the people that live in it. That makes them as real as anything else.

Without the ability to agree on abstractions and stick to literals then we couldn't have developed language and civilization. Some people think that human's ability to create and share metaphors was the single biggest forcing in the development of consciousness.

yeah, i know that, man.
bridges are real now and they are very useful.
i've already stated that some science is good.

i'm happy to discuss things with someone like you,
i just don't like being shouted at as proof of an argument.

maths is of course man-made.
i love it.
i spend lots of time playing with numbers.
i am now an artist by trade.
i see very little difference in the creativity of art and maths.
it's amazing to spend life in such ponderances.
i am very fortunate to have the opportunity to explore.

you are right,
my argument goes nowhere.
but at least i am trying to find an explanation on my own back.
at least i am trying to think about things that aren't indoctrinated into us.

i'm merely trying to enjoy life.
i'm not shouting at anyone,
just offering my viewpoint.

i'm quite likely to be wrong.
but so are all the religionists and the past scientists.
i mean no harm.
i'm just having a chat about shit.

 

[calumdown]

How is it that cavemen survived the asteroid but dinosaurs didn't ?




Just askin'

blimey bill.
the big hitters are out now.
ric and damo are joining in.
what have you started here, mate? :)