With the advances in DNA and forensic evidence nowadays not many wrongful guilty verdicts are seen !!! And how many times have we seen ppl getting out of nick and killing again ?? Life should mean life with no means of parole.
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Death Penalty
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Barcon
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stony said:Barcon said:stony said:People should just call it what it really is, and that's the revenge penalty. It's been proven it isn't a deterrent, it certainly isn't cheaper and there's always the chance you are killing an innocent person. The only reason people want the death penalty is for vengeance and to satisfy their own bloodlust.
What's wrong with calling it the death penalty? It's not like it's called the deterrent penalty now.
I just think people should be honest about it. They don't want to execute the vermin to keep them off the streets, they want to do it for revenge.
A bit of both I would think mate.
bezer57 said:With the advances in DNA and forensic evidence nowadays not many wrongful guilty verdicts are seen !!! And how many times have we seen ppl getting out of nick and killing again ?? Life should mean life with no means of paroll .
There have been 311 post-conviction DNA exonerations in the United States.
• The first DNA exoneration took place in 1989. Exonerations have been won in 36 states; since 2000, there have been 244 exonerations.
• 18 of the 311 people exonerated through DNA served time on death row. Another 16 were charged with capital crimes but not sentenced to death.
• The average length of time served by exonerees is 13.6 years. The total number of years served is approximately 4,156.
• The average age of exonerees at the time of their wrongful convictions was 27.
But what is the percentage of rightful convictions ? The advances in DNA and forensic evidence in the last 13yrs is a million miles away from then and the percentage will be miniscule !!stony said:bezer57 said:With the advances in DNA and forensic evidence nowadays not many wrongful guilty verdicts are seen !!! And how many times have we seen ppl getting out of nick and killing again ?? Life should mean life with no means of paroll .
There have been 311 post-conviction DNA exonerations in the United States.
• The first DNA exoneration took place in 1989. Exonerations have been won in 36 states; since 2000, there have been 244 exonerations.
• 18 of the 311 people exonerated through DNA served time on death row. Another 16 were charged with capital crimes but not sentenced to death.
• The average length of time served by exonerees is 13.6 years. The total number of years served is approximately 4,156.
• The average age of exonerees at the time of their wrongful convictions was 27.
mcmanus
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stony said:bezer57 said:With the advances in DNA and forensic evidence nowadays not many wrongful guilty verdicts are seen !!! And how many times have we seen ppl getting out of nick and killing again ?? Life should mean life with no means of paroll .
There have been 311 post-conviction DNA exonerations in the United States.
• The first DNA exoneration took place in 1989. Exonerations have been won in 36 states; since 2000, there have been 244 exonerations.
• 18 of the 311 people exonerated through DNA served time on death row. Another 16 were charged with capital crimes but not sentenced to death.
• The average length of time served by exonerees is 13.6 years. The total number of years served is approximately 4,156.
• The average age of exonerees at the time of their wrongful convictions was 27.
18 people on death row waiting to be told when you're going to die .... and you're innocent. Imagine what your head would be like?
Big cats go crazy when locked up. The torture those poor sods must have gone would break me. I'd come out crazier than Manson.
bezer57 said:But what is the percentage of rightful convictions ? The advances in DNA and forensic evidence in the last 13yrs is a million miles away from then and the percentage will be miniscule !!stony said:bezer57 said:With the advances in DNA and forensic evidence nowadays not many wrongful guilty verdicts are seen !!! And how many times have we seen ppl getting out of nick and killing again ?? Life should mean life with no means of paroll .
There have been 311 post-conviction DNA exonerations in the United States.
• The first DNA exoneration took place in 1989. Exonerations have been won in 36 states; since 2000, there have been 244 exonerations.
• 18 of the 311 people exonerated through DNA served time on death row. Another 16 were charged with capital crimes but not sentenced to death.
• The average length of time served by exonerees is 13.6 years. The total number of years served is approximately 4,156.
• The average age of exonerees at the time of their wrongful convictions was 27.
I sure the 18 people on death row that had their sentences overturned couldn't give a shite about minuscule percentages. I can't honestly believe you're dismissing it so easily. One person who is executed wrongly is enough, never mind 18. Are you so callous and bloodthirsty that you're happy to murder 18 innocent people just so you can get to the real ones. Not much surprises me on here but fuck me, that is just unbelievable.
It was only a couple of years ago that a few hundred convictions secured by dna were found to be unsafe because the doctor doing them wasn't actually a doctor. That was in the UK too.
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I am still yet to find a coherent argument for capital punishment, or a right minded person that is for it.
dazdon
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Killing people is just wrong.
State sponsored murder is at odds with a civilised society.
That's why we stopped doing it and our social morality shouldn't have changed since it's removal.
All it takes is for another high profile disgusting crime to occur for this debate to open up again...we should be looking at sentencing and punishment instead of vengeance.
State sponsored murder is at odds with a civilised society.
That's why we stopped doing it and our social morality shouldn't have changed since it's removal.
All it takes is for another high profile disgusting crime to occur for this debate to open up again...we should be looking at sentencing and punishment instead of vengeance.
basokla
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As much as it may seem to "simplify" things at first thought it really only complicates things.
But I'm all for life sentences that are served to full term.
About a year ago a person that I manage had a relative executed. I'm fairly certain he was guilty of his crime. So it was hard to feel any sympathy for him. But I kept thinking about my employee sitting at her desk working that day when in a few hours her brother-in-law would be dead. Just a weird experience.
But I'm all for life sentences that are served to full term.
About a year ago a person that I manage had a relative executed. I'm fairly certain he was guilty of his crime. So it was hard to feel any sympathy for him. But I kept thinking about my employee sitting at her desk working that day when in a few hours her brother-in-law would be dead. Just a weird experience.