Death

It's probably the same for everyone but the death of loved ones frightens me far more than my own death. I got a phone call out of nowhere 2 years ago to say my dad had a heart attack. He was only 56 at the time and thankfully survived but to this day I still panic at unexpected phone calls from home. I got a call from my mum last week and my heart started to race and my palms were sweating. But she was only calling to say thanks for something I sent them in the post. In that moment i'd completely forgot I even sent them something.
 
Ban-jani said:
The perception is now maximalist among the majority of scholars of all beliefs, meaning they think the Gospels are accurate (not necessarily the claims but what happened to him).

The minimalist view was that he existed but the Gospels were made up to fit a narrative, which only a tiny minority of scholars now believe, Price being one.

They’ve found church’s less than 300 years after his death, 1000s of miles away, it spread too quickly for nothing to have happened and they have uncovered areas where they they think the crucifixion and burial happened.

I’m not trying to tell you to believe in it, just that a man called Jesus existed, claimed to be the Son of God and died via crucifixion due to blasphemy.
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Remember there are at least ten gospels of which only four fit the narrative the RC church wanted to promote.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
Remember there are at least ten gospels of which only four fit the narrative the RC church wanted to promote.
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Absolutely mate.

My Christian friend who’s not a Catholic (or Protestant) would argue you have to make compare the 4 main ones, with the others and reach a consensus in your own opinion.
 
As you're post regarding the death clock is at the mo on page two, is their something you want, need to tell us ? Just asking.
 
nimrod said:
Death, do you ever think about it or is it a taboo subject, are you scared of it, do you believe there is an afterlife ?
Do you think we are born again, or enter into heaven ?

I don't know how many people on here have had a general anaesthetic, I have, and I imagine dying is a bit like that ie nothing.
Just like before you were born.
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God is a concept by which we measure our own pain.......!
 
Ban-jani said:
The perception is now maximalist among the majority of scholars of all beliefs, meaning they think the Gospels are accurate (not necessarily the claims but what happened to him).

The minimalist view was that he existed but the Gospels were made up to fit a narrative, which only a tiny minority of scholars now believe, Price being one.

They’ve found church’s less than 300 years after his death, 1000s of miles away, it spread too quickly for nothing to have happened and they have uncovered areas where they they think the crucifixion and burial happened.

I’m not trying to tell you to believe in it, just that a man called Jesus existed, claimed to be the Son of God and died via crucifixion due to blasphemy.
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All well and good except...

There are no age comparable documents that support this. Your post says it..."they think".

As you said, there was probably a man (not sure what he was called), who went around telling everyone to be nice to each other. That man had a few followers, then a few more, an underground movement started, remember Rome banned Christianity and the like, and the whole thing gathered momentum leading to his capture, death (no one knows how/ where either really) and martyrdom.

A few hundred years later, with most Roman soldiers now Christians, Constantine makes it official. You can worship who you like. He then chooses 50 stories and lobs them all together for his book. This is not the bible in any shape or form.

Rome and it's territories are Christian.

Then forms of the bible start to appear...


As far as churches thousands of miles away...the Roman Army is to blame for that. Christianity spread to all four corners of the then known world. The Army was mostly made up from people from the areas they conquered. They were then shipped elsewhere to fight for Rome. They took their religions with them.

I'm all for the archaeology finding proof one way or the other. It would be exciting either way. But I suspect we will never properly know unless a document is found. But, as I have said earlier, finding one that said he was a normal man, with a normal family and not the son of a God would cause the very foundations of the church to crash down.
 
BimboBob said:
All well and good except...

There are no age comparable documents that support this. Your post says it..."they think".

As you said, there was probably a man (not sure what he was called), who went around telling everyone to be nice to each other. That man had a few followers, then a few more, an underground movement started, remember Rome banned Christianity and the like, and the whole thing gathered momentum leading to his capture, death (no one knows how/ where either really) and martyrdom.

A few hundred years later, with most Roman soldiers now Christians, Constantine makes it official. You can worship who you like. He then chooses 50 stories and lobs them all together for his book. This is not the bible in any shape or form.

Rome and it's territories are Christian.

Then forms of the bible start to appear...


As far as churches thousands of miles away...the Roman Army is to blame for that. Christianity spread to all four corners of the then known world. The Army was mostly made up from people from the areas they conquered. They were then shipped elsewhere to fight for Rome. They took their religions with them.

I'm all for the archaeology finding proof one way or the other. It would be exciting either way. But I suspect we will never properly know unless a document is found. But, as I have said earlier, finding one that said he was a normal man, with a normal family and not the son of a God would cause the very foundations of the church to crash down.
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It was highly likely he existed and his life existed how the gospels say. Of course people can dispute the miracles and other claims but what I’m saying is there is more than enough evidence to claim the man existed and he was crucified for his claims

Of course none were at the time and we’re taken from written and verbal transmissions but that’s not a reason to doubt legitimacy as a scholar.

I argued the opposite with my mate who’s a Priest and he absolutely battered me in the debate, showing me evidence from atheist/agnostic scholars to prove his point.

My point on it spreading so quickly was a point Hitchens once made, then he said “so something was definitely going on”.

I agree the latter would, I don’t think such document exists though.
 
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