Democrat US Presidential Nominations

Ban-jani said:
You’re making the mistake of thinking we were being very specific. Of course it becomes complex when applying it to 1st world economies but Bigga and I were discussing public services first and foremost and this was a side point to a wider debate.

It was a general point in argument to printing money as a policy to pay for public services. If you go back and read what I said, I said the UK had engaged in the experiment of continuing with quantitive easing since 2010.

Tell me then, why don’t governments of the world, in these economies we’re discussing, just print huge amounts of money, if hyperinflation won’t occur?

Quantitive easing is used to keep the market buoyant and encourage spending, lending and investment.

It works if applied correctly but you shouldn’t be doing it to fund our NHS.
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I can't understand how context is lost about a GENERAL discussion!

Meh, let him sit on his paper throne.
 
SWP's back said:
They’ve been doing it throughout 2008-20 mate if you’re talking about QE.

If you genuinely mean “printing money” then no.
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I didn’t really want to end up discussing it on this thread to be honest.

I’m not an economist that’s for sure and I know little about US politics.
 
cjn said:
Neither does Bigga, it's no big deal.
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My view is we agreed to stay out of it in 1778 and I’m honouring that.

My only comments are when the POTUS is engaging in policy that damages us or puts us at risk, such as the illegal assassination of the Iranian General.
 
Bigga said:
Again, you offer nothing and you won't accept that.

You'd rather attack the person than the subject matter. Do you see why I say you offer nothing?

3 times I've mentioned as much.

Enjoy your cool cat victory.
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Have a read of the Plato's cave. I wouldn't be surprised if It made a whole heap of sense to you.
Then you might look upon the Sanders/Biden/Trump situation with different eyes. You may still
choose to support Sanders and ,great, that's your choice. But perhaps it can serve as another medium
of conversation.
I mentioned 'pride' and shame. Perhaps, if is one is willing to let go of the pride, then creative
solutions can become available that wouldn't otherwise. Through that, a new consensus* may be found.
One that involves qualities such as mutual respect and genuine responsibility re-entering the political debate.
In which the need to treat people like shit in order to be seen as 'strong' begins to fall away. A new more genuine pride
may emerge. In this way, I see the 'old' pride as being one that needs others to lack pride in order to validate itself/feed a high.
Like a culture of respect/disrespect. With a more genuine pride, there can be a joy in seeing another also opening to pride.
As an example one could say there can a shift from nationalism (and maybe white supremacy within this) to patriotism
(in which the country is united beyond race). To look at it another way, if I associate old pride with money, then I may
want others to poor so as to validate my 'richness'; with new pride I can be happy for there to be financial investment
in the poor so that they too come to be successful. The choice for old or new could then have an effect on what kind
of economic policies would be voted for and thus which candidates could be elected too. You may disagree with all this,
saying it has nothing to offer or is navel gazing or whatever. And that's your choice. Just be aware that I find the options
you currently offer to be akin to 'stay in the darkness of the cave (of 'pride'/ shame) or I'' call you stupid' but I'd rather
the possibility of opening to creative solutions ('light') with which there can be genuine pride. Find this a more enjoyable and
fulfilling way to live life. And believe it can offer options for a way out of the Trumpification of american politics specifically
and the polarisation of politics in general. You may disagree. Beautiful.

*might a new consensus involve something along the lines of a' green deal,' a' medicare for all,' even(and this is probably
things too far) a 'universal basic income?' Perhaps not in there current forms but if the essence of these ideas came to
be enacted through policy, that would be a good thing, right?
 
arfurclue said:
Have a read of the Plato's cave. I wouldn't be surprised if It made a whole heap of sense to you.
Then you might look upon the Sanders/Biden/Trump situation with different eyes. You may still
choose to support Sanders and ,great, that's your choice. But perhaps it can serve as another medium
of conversation.
I mentioned 'pride' and shame. Perhaps, if is one is willing to let go of the pride, then creative
solutions can become available that wouldn't otherwise. Through that, a new consensus* may be found.
One that involves qualities such as mutual respect and genuine responsibility re-entering the political debate.
In which the need to treat people like shit in order to be seen as 'strong' begins to fall away. A new more genuine pride
may emerge. In this way, I see the 'old' pride as being one that needs others to lack pride in order to validate itself/feed a high.
Like a culture of respect/disrespect. With a more genuine pride, there can be a joy in seeing another also opening to pride.
As an example one could say there can a shift from nationalism (and maybe white supremacy within this) to patriotism
(in which the country is united beyond race). To look at it another way, if I associate old pride with money, then I may
want others to poor so as to validate my 'richness'; with new pride I can be happy for there to be financial investment
in the poor so that they too come to be successful. The choice for old or new could then have an effect on what kind
of economic policies would be voted for and thus which candidates could be elected too. You may disagree with all this,
saying it has nothing to offer or is navel gazing or whatever. And that's your choice. Just be aware that I find the options
you currently offer to be akin to 'stay in the darkness of the cave (of 'pride'/ shame) or I'' call you stupid' but I'd rather
the possibility of opening to creative solutions ('light') with which there can be genuine pride. Find this a more enjoyable and
fulfilling way to live life. And believe it can offer options for a way out of the Trumpification of american politics specifically
and the polarisation of politics in general. You may disagree. Beautiful.

*might a new consensus involve something along the lines of a' green deal,' a' medicare for all,' even(and this is probably
things too far) a 'universal basic income?' Perhaps not in there current forms but if the essence of these ideas came to
be enacted through policy, that would be a good thing, right?
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Cool.
 
Shaelumstash said:
I understand you point, but you seem to be disregarding inflation.

If you just print a load of money and give everyone a raise, inevitably the cost of everything goes up and you find yourself in the exact same position.

Or worse, it leads to a run on the currency and it becomes worthless like in Argentina, Venezuela, Zimbabwe etc.
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I get that proposition of price rising, but that's happening now anyway and happens incrementally every year, otherwise.

It's why things become unaffordable like rent, for example.

But, at the same token, you have to wonder why the wealth gap gets wider under the same conditions.
 
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