Thats interesting, Joe and Bernie announced six joint task forces made up of Bernie and Biden staff to develop policy in the run up to the election. I think thats a super smart way to hopefully bridge the gap between the progressive wing of the party and the moderates and bring more people into the fold. Almost like Biden knows how to do this politics thing.
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Bigga
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Thats interesting, Joe and Bernie announced six joint task forces made up of Bernie and Biden staff to develop policy in the run up to the election. I think thats a super smart way to hopefully bridge the gap between the progressive wing of the party and the moderates and bring more people into the fold. Almost like Biden knows how to do this politics thing.
You mean made better concessions to his first shitty attempt?
Quite possibly.
It doesn't really matter how, he got the job done. At this point in 2016 Bernie and Hillary were still sniping at each other all day long and Biden getting Bernie's endorsement at this stage in the race is a pretty big deal in terms of bringing the party together in time for the fall. Watching the livestream the two of them did today it was pretty clear that they actually like and respect each other and I expect Bernie's endorsement this time around to be a little more full throated than "not at all" like it was in 2016.You mean made better concessions to his first shitty attempt?
Quite possibly.
Bigga
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It doesn't really matter how, he got the job done. At this point in 2016 Bernie and Hillary were still sniping at each other all day long and Biden getting Bernie's endorsement at this stage in the race is a pretty big deal in terms of bringing the party together in time for the fall. Watching the livestream the two of them did today it was pretty clear that they actually like and respect each other and I expect Bernie's endorsement this time around to be a little more full throated than "not at all" like it was in 2016.
Their friendship was clear during the primary and why Sanders refused to gut Biden, fully.
If Biden really concedes to acceptable Progressive ideas, I'd be more satisfied.
However, noting that the Dems are notoriously connected to the same corporations that keep workers down, I won't hold my breathe on it. Also to note that so many of the Dem politicians hate on Sanders, I feel this is a recipe for disaster.
So, since Sanders is representative of the softer Progressive movement, let's wait and see how this turns out, but I can see an absolute split in that party if Biden loses.
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Obama to endorse his brother from another mother shortly.
Good timing to show the current president how he should act.
Good timing to show the current president how he should act.
Bigga
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Time to ignore...
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Trevor Morley's Tache
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How was Bernie cheated?No, I'm saying Progressives feel like they were cheated out of a fair fight by corrupt DEM leadership AND MSM, so they feel like Biden has nothing to offer them.
They feel the same way about #45, so it's most likely that a sum of them will not vote/ write another name or start a third party.
Although, I think some will vote Biden, regretfully.
I have seen evidence of this move already, but it is a split.
The MSM were pretty fair, and I certainly don't think the Democratic Party leadership stood in his way, certainly not in the way they did in 2016.
The way I see it is that Sanders failed to gain traction with BEM voters in a number of states, and that pretty much did it for him.
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I’ve lumped on 4 times on Biden at 8, 5, 3 and 2 to 1.
Buying money (although I did think I’d lost the first $100 at 8’s after the first couple of primaries).
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He just needs to act presidential to win. Follow Obama's lead and maybe they'll be a semblance of political normality (not my socialist utopia I must admit). But normality just the same.
Bigga
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How was Bernie cheated?
The MSM were pretty fair, and I certainly don't think the Democratic Party leadership stood in his way, certainly not in the way they did in 2016.
The way I see it is that Sanders failed to gain traction with BEM voters in a number of states, and that pretty much did it for him.
Were they?
Do you remember how many times he was on their channels in the run up to the final weeks?
In fact, Fox, yes, FOX were the first to allow him a platform to speak to a large audience, NOT the left leaning MSM you would have expected, in a neutral position.
Trevor Morley's Tache
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Were they?
Do you remember how many times he was on their channels in the run up to the final weeks?
In fact, Fox, yes, FOX were the first to allow him a platform to speak to a large audience, NOT the left leaning MSM you would have expected, in a neutral position.
Bigga
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Oh yes, I'd forgotten about that. Pretty much the only one at the time. So, other than being mentioned by name, I don't much recall a time where he was TV as much as other candidates. I remember Biden, at one point had not even officially ran and HE was getting more coverage!!
I'm going to quote Wiki on the subject of the Sanders 'threat' becoming more prevalent in 12 months.
2019[edit]
According to a March 2019 analysis by Northeastern University's School of Journalism, Sanders received the most positive coverage of any major candidate in the 2020 Democratic primary. An updated analysis in April after more candidates had entered the field placed him third out of eight candidates;[14] a further update for June to September 2019 found that Sanders's positive coverage ranked fourth out of eight major candidates.[15]
In April 2019, Sanders wrote to the board of the Center for American Progress in response to a video produced by their former media outlet ThinkProgress. The video mocked him for becoming a millionaire after writing a book about his 2016 election run.[33][34] The article based on the video was later emended to remove references about Sanders' physical appearance.[35] The following month, Politico published a feature article on Sanders's income which described him as "rich" and "cheap".[36] Politico was criticized by the Anti-Defamation League.[37]
In August 2019, Sanders said that The Washington Post did not "write particularly good articles" about him and suggested that it was because he frequently mentioned that Amazon, The Washington Post's parent company, did not pay taxes.[38] Marty Baron, executive editor of The Washington Post, responded, "Contrary to the conspiracy theory the senator seems to favor, Jeff Bezos allows our newsroom to operate with full independence, as our reporters and editors can attest."[38]
In November 2019, Emma Specter at Vogue doubted that there was a conspiracy against Sanders. She also listed several examples of limited coverage of his policy proposals and interpreted lack of coverage of Sanders on certain issues and events as being "only somewhat surprising".[39]
In a December 2019 opinion column for The New York Times, David Leonhardt agreed with Politico co-founder John F. Harris about the media having a centrist bias. Leonardt argued that this hurt Sanders and Warren, particularly in questions posed to both about the issue of a wealth tax.[40]
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The CNN-sponsored debate between Democratic candidates on January 14, 2020, was the subject of criticism over perceived bias against Sanders, especially concerning moderator Abby Phillip's handling of a he-said, she-said controversy between Sanders and fellow Senator and candidate Elizabeth Warren.[41][42][43] Journalism think-tank Poynter Institute called Phillip's treatment of Sanders "stunning in its ineptness and stunning in its unprofessionalism".[44]
In February 2020 media appearances and interviews, against a backdrop of Sanders' ascendance in the polls, campaign consultant James Carville expressed his displeasure at the prospect of Sanders being nominated, branded Sanders as a "communist," and pejoratively labeled Sanders' base of support as a "cult," and warned of the "end of days," if Sanders were to win the Democratic nomination.[45][46]
MSNBC came under particular scrutiny during the first three primary-season state votes due to historical references made by two of their hosts. Chris Matthews compared Sanders to George McGovern in terms of electability on February 3 and criticized Sanders for adopting the "democratic socialist" label on February 7.[47][48] His February 7 remarks stated that a stronger influence by Sanders and other left-wing politicians who were active during the Cold War could have resulted in "executions in Central Park".[49][50] The following week, Chuck Todd criticized the rhetoric of Sanders supporters by quoting a conservative article which compared them to brown shirts in the Nazi regime.[51][52]
Commenting on the 2020 Nevada Democratic caucuses, Matthews invoked "the fall of France" to the Nazis in 1940 as a metaphor for Sanders' apparent victory in the state.[53] His analogy was criticized by the Sanders campaign and other commentators, who noted that members of Sanders’ family had been murdered in the Holocaust. Matthews later issued an on-air apology to Sanders and his supporters.[54]
Sanders suspended his campaign on April 8, 2020.[55]
I, also, note that I think James Carville lives in 'San Francisco', I reckon...
Credit to Bernie, he's coming out strong against the idea that anyone should sit out this election or vote third party as some sort of protest against Biden. I didn't think he would be quite this explicit so early on but well done to him.
https://apnews.com/a1bfb62e37fe34e09ff123a58a1329fa
Bernie Sanders said Tuesday that it would be “irresponsible” for his loyalists not to support Joe Biden, warning that progressives who “sit on their hands” in the months ahead would simply enable President Donald Trump’s reelection.
Sanders said his supporters have a simple choice now that Biden has emerged as the presumptive nominee: “Do we be as active as we can in electing Joe Biden and doing everything we can to move Joe and his campaign in a more progressive direction? Or do we choose to sit it out and allow the most dangerous president in modern American history to get reelected?”
He continued: “I believe that it’s irresponsible for anybody to say, ‘Well, I disagree with Joe Biden -- I disagree with Joe Biden! -- and therefore I’m not going to be involved.’”
https://apnews.com/a1bfb62e37fe34e09ff123a58a1329fa
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What a traitor to the cause!!! Pitchforks and torches at midnight!!!Credit to Bernie, he's coming out strong against the idea that anyone should sit out this election or vote third party as some sort of protest against Biden. I didn't think he would be quite this explicit so early on but well done to him.
https://apnews.com/a1bfb62e37fe34e09ff123a58a1329fa
The fact that he feels the need to explain this to some of his supporters tells you exactly what fucking idiots a few of them are.
But I’m glad, and maybe a few of them will listen.
Bigga
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Oh gee!
New York primaries not "cancelled" after all!
Fed judge makes ruling. DNC chasing appeal!
I wonder why...
New York primaries not "cancelled" after all!
Fed judge makes ruling. DNC chasing appeal!
I wonder why...
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Sanders about to go on MSNBC.
They lost the case stopping Sanders being put on the ballot, now it seems they want to stop any kind of challenge.Oh gee!
New York primaries not "cancelled" after all!
Fed judge makes ruling. DNC chasing appeal!
I wonder why...
Bigga
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Sanders about to go on MSNBC.
They lost the case stopping Sanders being put on the ballot, now it seems they want to stop any kind of challenge.
Just got back in, so anything happen?
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehil...-be-reinstated-to-new-york-primary-ballot?ampJust got back in, so anything happen?
I'm stuck at work and not managed to follow it today.