Democrat US Presidential Nominations

This is a really good point that's gotten lost since 2016. Hillary, for all of her many, many flaws as a candidate beat Trump by 3 million in the popular vote and lost because of 100k people combined in three swing states. He isn't some invincible electoral juggernaut that people have convinced themselves of since and Biden can win by simply turning out mainstream Democrats and getting his fair share of independents. Going hard left to win over the Bernie voters that couldn't even be bother to turn out for Bernie in the primary is a losing strategy if it turns off centrists.

This is exactly right — I fail to see the strategy and protestations of the Bernie Bros. If Biden wins without them they will be marginalized within the party and have limited policy influence. If Biden loses because of them then the state of the world they woman and moan about is even WORSE off. Of course, since it’s “their way or the highway”, I remain convinced they’d rather Trump than Biden just so they can “own” the Centrists. Because they don’t really want to help people. They just want to win so everyone has to pay attention to them since every normal person who lives in the actual universe where compromise and difference-settling are part of every day life just wants them to shut the fuck up normally.
 
FOR THE RECORD

Trump did NOT win big. He scraped a victory in a few KEY states with decent electoral votes, which greatly exaggerates the perception of victory...which, of course, he further exaggerates!

Official 2016 Result: Trump 304 vs Clinton 227

That looks big, but it came down to THREE STATES: Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin

MI: 16 Delegates, difference in the vote: 10,704; 0.22%
PA: 20 Delegates, difference in the vote: 44,292; 0.72%
WI: 10 Delegates, difference in the vote: 22,748; 0.76%

Total difference in Delegates: 46
Total difference in the votes: 77,744
Total NATIONAL votes cast: 136,669,237
Total NATIONAL % Diff: 0.056%

Simply switch HALF+1 of those votes from Trump to Clinton:
MI: 5,352
PA: 22,147
WI: 11,375
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Ttl: 38,874
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38,874 KEY VOTES in three key states changed the entire trajectory of the world.

Switching those 38,874 votes from Trump to Clinton would have switched:

TRUMP 304 - CLINTON 227, into

TRUMP 258 - CLINTON 273, with 270 Delegates being the magic number needed to be President!
It was a big win because Clinton lost states that Democrats had not lost in decades.

It was a big win because Clinton lost to a candidate that no one was giving a chance to come close to 200 delegates forget about 300.

It was a big win because Clinton decided not to even go to Wisconsin after April as she thought it was already decided there. Can you imagine Democrat nominee not even visiting a state between now and November because it should vote Democrat anyway.

Also if we start applying this logic that all close results should go the other way then maybe Nevada and NH could have gone Republican.

It was Democrats/Clinton's colossal failure and big win for Trump - no other way to describe it.
 
Cool.

this is a thread for the Democrat Presidential Nominee though. Feel free to talk to yourself in some “third way” thread any time you want though.
 
You’re making the mistake of thinking we were being very specific. Of course it becomes complex when applying it to 1st world economies but Bigga and I were discussing public services first and foremost and this was a side point to a wider debate.
In any debate, basic facts matter, even if they’re only being used as example to support a thesis. Wrong support tears down the thesis.

Tell me then, why don’t governments of the world, in these economies we’re discussing, just print huge amounts of money, if hyperinflation won’t occur?
Because it doesn’t occur in a vacuum, and it depends on the currency and stability....which is why I made the point that even mentioning Zimbabwe shows either a general lack of knowledge of the issue (and the factors behind the thought) or was a red herring to see if the point was being understood or not.

For example, the US just announced a $10T stimulus package. Interest rates barely budged, stock markets soared. Had Zimbabwe done that, the effect would have been completely different, wouldn’t it? The point is that different countries and currencies have different abilities to both raise money and influence consumer action. We usually call them currency manipulators, because the world’s currencies are meant to make small changes wrt each other, not drastic one day changes, because the entire world lives in some level of stasis...world order, if you will. It isn’t a “one size fits all” approach to an economic principle.

It works if applied correctly but you shouldn’t be doing it to fund our NHS.
Normally. With this unique strain it finds itself under, and the absence of tax dollars needed, maybe it’s all you can do to fix a short term problem. That’s fine. The subsequent issue is when, how, and under what circumstances do you remove the short term stimulus and whether funding is, thereafter, adequate for the long term health of the system in question. That becomes a wholly political question, based on the needs of the citizenry, the cost and quality of the care they’re willing to pay for, and the assumption that if funding is not sufficient, then cuts or increased tax revenues are needed. With an ever growing population and a sudden, unplanned contraction in GDP, revenues are going in one direction while spending is going in the other. That is not only unsustainable over the long term, but it suggests the entire system is running too close to the edge if a short term shock creates any significant, lasting effects, rather than returning to some semblance of status quo.

You guys have fun.
 
It was a big win because Clinton lost states that Democrats had not lost in decades.

It was a big win because Clinton lost to a candidate that no one was giving a chance to come close to 200 delegates forget about 300.

It was a big win because Clinton decided not to even go to Wisconsin after April as she thought it was already decided there. Can you imagine Democrat nominee not even visiting a state between now and November because it should vote Democrat anyway.

Also if we start applying this logic that all close results should go the other way then maybe Nevada and NH could have gone Republican.

It was Democrats/Clinton's colossal failure and big win for Trump - no other way to describe it.
In your zeal to make a point, you are mistaking one definition of big with another.

Let’s see if you do likewise with this word...TOOL.
 
In any debate, basic facts matter, even if they’re only being used as example to support a thesis. Wrong support tears down the thesis.


Because it doesn’t occur in a vacuum, and it depends on the currency and stability....which is why I made the point that even mentioning Zimbabwe shows either a general lack of knowledge of the issue (and the factors behind the thought) or was a red herring to see if the point was being understood or not.

For example, the US just announced a $10T stimulus package. Interest rates barely budged, stock markets soared. Had Zimbabwe done that, the effect would have been completely different, wouldn’t it? The point is that different countries and currencies have different abilities to both raise money and influence consumer action. We usually call them currency manipulators, because the world’s currencies are meant to make small changes wrt each other, not drastic one day changes, because the entire world lives in some level of stasis...world order, if you will. It isn’t a “one size fits all” approach to an economic principle.


Normally. With this unique strain it finds itself under, and the absence of tax dollars needed, maybe it’s all you can do to fix a short term problem. That’s fine. The subsequent issue is when, how, and under what circumstances do you remove the short term stimulus and whether funding is, thereafter, adequate for the long term health of the system in question. That becomes a wholly political question, based on the needs of the citizenry, the cost and quality of the care they’re willing to pay for, and the assumption that if funding is not sufficient, then cuts or increased tax revenues are needed. With an ever growing population and a sudden, unplanned contraction in GDP, revenues are going in one direction while spending is going in the other. That is not only unsustainable over the long term, but it suggests the entire system is running too close to the edge if a short term shock creates any significant, lasting effects, rather than returning to some semblance of status quo.

You guys have fun.

You have more knowledge on economics mate, that’s fine. I really didn’t want to get into it, my point was just that printing money shouldn’t be the way to fund the NHS in Britain, in normal times.

Nothing more or less.

And I really hate getting deep into American politics as it’s none of my business, as agreed in 1778.

It’s also Easter bank holiday here so I’m currently having a few pints and don’t fancy learning today.
 
You have more knowledge on economics mate, that’s fine. I really didn’t want to get into it, my point was just that printing money shouldn’t be the way to fund the NHS in Britain, in normal times.

Nothing more or less.

And I really hate getting deep into American politics as it’s none of my business, as agreed in 1778.

It’s also Easter bank holiday here so I’m currently having a few pints and don’t fancy learning today.
Yet here we are...on the Democratic Nominee Thread?!

It’s like choice has been removed and free will banned.

“Sup up your beer and collect your fags - There's a row going on down near Slough.”
 
Yet here we are...on the Democratic Nominee Thread?!

It’s like choice has been removed and free will banned.

Enjoy you beer

I rarely enter these threads and just wanted to make a small point.

I ended up talking more about us, this side of the pond and realised I was wasting time and taking it off road.

Unfortunately some know it all from Chicago started replying to me ;-)
 

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