Democrat US Presidential Nominations

FogBlueInSanFran said:
@Bigga Thoughts on the Trump budget? I'd think your man would be ecstatic as he can go point-by-point between what a budget of his would look like vs. Trump's. All Democrats can do this but rather than pie-in-the-sky programs he can tie his vision to a real budget and he doesn't have to push radical change programs to draw a very distinct difference with the current President.
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So, without me waxing lyrical about Sanders, do you think this anchors him to the reality many are dismissing him of?
 
Bigga said:
So, without me waxing lyrical about Sanders, do you think this anchors him to the reality many are dismissing him of?
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I think in asking you I'd like to know what you think, but yes I think it does. It's a "compare and contrast" opportunity but rooting in reality instead of idealism, and it challenges Trump on the facts of which he has no command. He can use Trump's budget to scare the very people who support Trump and contrast it with his plan to help them. Again, any Democrat can do this but this is where Sanders' sincerity and independence and history is a real advantage. It's also one of the benefits of being the challenger and not the incumbent.

But his reaction to Bloomberg is all wrong. He should have contrasted himself (knocking on doors endlessly, caucusing with real voters in these states) with Bloomberg's blanketing of the universe with ads, and claimed he's more in touch with regular Joes than Bloomberg which is (a) true but (b) also worked for Bill Clinton vs. Bush (remember Bush marveling at the scanner at a grocery checkout?).

He does make this contrast but then adds, "That is the basic, fundamental problem of American society — is that billionaires have extraordinary wealth and power over the economic and political life of this country.” This is exactly what Trump does -- a lack of impulse control and a blaming of the "other" for the all the world's woes. He didn't need to say that, and if he really thinks that, he's the one who's out of touch. He thinks its part of his persona, but he's already got the people who believe that supporting him! He needs support from the people who DON'T. It's just dumb politically if he needs UNIFICATION and TURNOUT. I get we're still in the primaries but he has to start building those bridges now.

Sanders is more like Trump than Bloomberg is -- not politically but behaviorally.
 
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FogBlueInSanFran said:
I think in asking you I'd like to know what you think, but yes I think it does. It's a "compare and contrast" opportunity but rooting in reality instead of idealism, and it challenges Trump on the facts of which he has no command. He can use Trump's budget to scare the very people who support Trump and contrast it with his plan to help them. Again, any Democrat can do this but this is where Sanders' sincerity and independence and history is a real advantage. It's also one of the benefits of being the challenger and not the incumbent.

But his reaction to Bloomberg is all wrong. He should have contrasted himself (knocking on doors endlessly, caucusing with real voters in these states) with Bloomberg's blanketing of the universe with ads, and claimed he's more in touch with regular Joes than Bloomberg which is (a) true but (b) also worked for Bill Clinton vs. Bush (remember Bush marveling at the scanner at a grocery checkout?).

He does make this contrast but then adds, "That is the basic, fundamental problem of American society — is that billionaires have extraordinary wealth and power over the economic and political life of this country.” This is exactly what Trump does -- a lack of impulse control and a blaming of the "other" for the all the world's woes. He didn't need to say that, and if he really thinks that, he's the one who's out of touch. He thinks its part of his persona, but he's already got the people who believe that supporting him! He needs support from the people who DON'T. It's just dumb politically if he needs UNIFICATION and TURNOUT. I get we're still in the primaries but he has to start building those bridges now.

Sanders is more like Trump than Bloomberg is -- not politically but behaviorally.
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Interesting perspective.

The turnout issue is the main problem for me.

Everything else comes out in the wash.

Sanders doesn't really need to show how different he is to Bloomberg; that's pretty obvious. He has Bloomberg beaten in ads, in policy, in persona and the debates, when we get there will be a one way embarrassment.

I'm a little concerned with voter apathy in the older generation, that's all.
 
This is a must-read thread on social manipulation in the context of political opinion and election interference.

 
Bill Maher nailed it on real time.

He's supporting Bernie because he concludes that like Trump he has an army of supporters that will fight for him.
 
mat said:
Bill Maher nailed it on real time.

He's supporting Bernie because he concludes that like Trump he has an army of supporters that will fight for him.
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They both do. So who wins the middle? And if Bernie doesn’t get the nom, do 12% of Sanders supporters stay home and pout like last time?

If Sanders gets the nom and wins the Presidency, you know who should get the thanks? Biden, Mayor Pete, Warren, Bloomberg and Hillary Clinton supporters, that’s who — for not acting like Sanders supporters in 2016.
 
MSNBC are shitting a Bernie nomination.

"This isn't about beating Trump it's about beating Bernie."

Championing Klobuchar as their Biden back up, which to be fair they've all but given up on him depending on tonight's primary.
 
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