Derby day trains

lancs blue said:
Both the company and the staff are to blame IMO. Privatisation has been a total mess for the railways but the inflexibility of the unions has its own share of the blame.
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The unions have prevented privatisation killing passengers.

Theres shit they've tried to pull that I have witnessed over the years, (including last week) that if it wasn't for strong reps and activists it wouldn't be nowhere near as safe.
 
mexico1970 said:
Imagine supermarkets not opening because they haven't got enough staff or say schools and doctors surgeries?

Sunday services are shit because the workers don't have to work overtime because they get paid enough not to, they are not "Compelled" to. You work in an industry at least show some effort to provide a service, people complaining isn't the problem is it?
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Overtime is not compulsory!
Work life balance is important to people these days.
The guards will be working a full week before deciding they don't want or need to work a rest day.

Why the fuck should they cover because their Company hasn't employed enough staff, would you do it?

Trouble is, I don't trust the current politicians to sort this mess out, or any other mess come to think of it!
 
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ysmsa said:
Overtime is not compulsory!
Work life balance is important to people these days.
The guards will be working a full week before deciding they don't want or need to work a rest day.

Why the fuck should they cover because there Company hasn't employed enough staff, would you do it?
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They don't have to work because they are paid enough and don't feel the need to. Fuck the commuters ehh? is that how it is?

Now don't get me wrong I couldn't give that much of a fuck but...if trains are going to be cancelled as they have for a couple of years we should invest heavily in a bus service that works and put the shysters out of a job.

Again let me make this very clear, these fucks want a supermarket open when they need it, they want schools open without cancellations and they want all the other amenities open when they need them.

It's not just Sundays it's most days, lots of people work overtime and thank god they do, the public is running out of sympathy for them and it's about time.

But apart from that :)

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mexico1970 said:
They don't have to work because they are paid enough and don't feel the need to. Fuck the commuters ehh? is that how it is?

Now don't get me wrong I couldn't give that much of a fuck but...if trains are going to be cancelled as they have for a couple of years we should invest heavily in a bus service that works and put the shysters out of a job.

Again let me make this very clear, these fucks want a supermarket open when they need it, they want schools open without cancellations and they want all the other amenities open when they need them.

It's not just Sundays it's most days, lots of people work overtime and thank god they do, the public is running out of sympathy for them and it's about time.

But apart from that :)

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It's a completely different situation though.

Supermarkets won't be running Sunday opening hours with staff on overtime, that is what the railways do.

The government, railway companies and Unions have had over 20 years to sort this mess out and we are literally no nearer to a solution.

Staff working overtime to run a basic service is an horrendous waste of money.
 
ysmsa said:
It's a completely different situation though.

Supermarkets won't be running Sunday opening hours with staff on overtime, that is what the railways do.

The government, railway companies and Unions have had over 20 years to sort this mess out and we are literally no nearer to a solution.

Staff working overtime to run a basic service is an horrendous waste of money.
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They could roster people in to work on Sundays though, they manage to do it in every other public service. You've got to admit there has been excuse after excuse with the trains even on week days.

The people trying to travel get the brunt of this, my point very much still stands all the other services I mentioned manage to keep the lights on.
 
ysmsa said:
If I board a train and see Nunes in the cab, and Savinho as the guard I'm straight off and fucking walking :-)
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You can't say that about Savinho because he's young. He's so young he's barely out of nappies.
He's only 20 FFS, no Premier League player has ever played a first-team game at that age.
 
Think of working Sundays as overtime in the same way that office workers might be asked to work midnight to 6am. Sure, the money might be good, but would you do it on a regular basis if you either didn’t want to, or didn’t have to?

The industry is, broadly, unionised. The RMT is the trackside, conductors and office staff etc, whilst the drivers are ASLEF. Management are TSSA (who,indeed). Those unions make the trains safer, get involved on efficiency improvements (it would still be steam trains running if they didn’t) but they won’t be pushed around. The rest of the U.K. workforce has been systematically beaten down for decades. Not the rail unions who, generally, get cost of living pay increases and have had their hours per week negotiated over the years down to around 36 hours per week. Above that it is at premium rates, including non compulsory Sundays.

Throw in failed privatisation, years of infrastructure issues, changes of government priorities (HS2 etc) and we are where we are.It will improve but not overnight.
Great British Railways is the new idea. So too is integrating bus and tram network timetables with railway timetables. Look at what goes on abroad on transport networks and there is a lot we could learn.
 
Maccblue said:
Have a similar grudge for that tw@t from Ryanair dumping me and lad in Germany after Munich in 2023, cost me over a grand to get us home
Wouldn’t give him and his shit airline the steam off my piss in future
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I had an issue with Monarch Airlines. Fucking loved it when they went bust.
 
mexico1970 said:
They could roster people in to work on Sundays though, they manage to do it in every other public service. You've got to admit there has been excuse after excuse with the trains even on week days.

The people trying to travel get the brunt of this, my point very much still stands all the other services I mentioned manage to keep the lights on.
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They can't roster staff to work on Sundays because they are not "contracted hours."
If it's not in your contract you can't be made to do it.
I'm not saying that's right or wrong but it is the current situation.
 
Donmcfc said:
They can't roster staff to work on Sundays because they are not "contracted hours."
If it's not in your contract you can't be made to do it.
I'm not saying that's right or wrong but it is the current situation.
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Then they should be made to be contracted hours, make rosters where you work 5 out of any 7 days.

It's not hard.
 
jaymcfc1968 said:
Things aren’t looking good for travelling on Sundays next year by the looks of it.
www.bbc.co.uk

Avanti West Coast staff to strike on New Year's Eve

Train managers at Avanti will now walk out on New Year's Eve and 2 January, as well as every Sunday from 12 January to 25 May.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Yesterdays cancellations on Northern rail were that bad they might as well have been on strike, not wanting to work Sundays appear to have stretched to all the other days of the week now.
 
mexico1970 said:
Then they should be made to be contracted hours, make rosters where you work 5 out of any 7 days.

It's not hard.
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Monday to Friday yeah? Every weekend off?

Your frustration at the state of the railway is shared by most (if not all) of the staff who work on it. However questioning the workforce for not working their days off at the weekend is so wide of the mark it’s untrue.

The railway is always recruiting so if you think you can fix the issue so easily then get involved, be educational for you to see what it’s actually like.
 
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