Derby day trains

[Johnny Mars Bar]

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Hahaha that properly made me laugh

 

[BrianW]

Traditionally, railwaymen (or railway persons) were quite badly paid. So a culture arose of overtime being a 'Good Thing'. It made the wages acceptable.

Now, wages are higher and the staff are (quite understandably) seeing the benefit of having days off instead of working.

The answer is to employ more people so that little if any overtime is necessary. It's not rocket science, is it? You could even employ weekend drivers. I bet plenty of people would be willing to work two jobs if one was a weekend on a driver's pay.

 

[mexico1970]

Do you want to work when you don't have to?

Even people who do all the overtime cannot work after a certain amount of days by law.

Either way mate is still shit, it's worse today than it is other Sundays with even more trains cancelled. Manchester mustn't need the business with people having to stay at home and less people spending money there.

Bring back the buses and lots and lots of them and fuck the trains off they have been unfit for purpose for so long arguing whose fault it is doesn't help the end user.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Either way mate is still shit, it's worse today than it is other Sundays with even more trains cancelled. Manchester mustn't need the business with people having to stay at home and less people spending money there.

Bring back the buses and lots and lots of them and fuck the trains off they have been unfit for purpose for so long arguing whose fault it is doesn't help the end user.

I get you.

You may see your suggestion occuring when councils take over running public transport services in their area.

My council are already looking at it for one of train routes. They give millions to train operators to subsidise the route. If they can run it cheaper with their own buses they will.

 

[mexico1970]

I get you.

You may see your suggestion occuring when councils take over running public transport services in their area.

My council are already looking at it for one of train routes. They give millions to train operators to subsidise the route. If they can run it cheaper with their own buses they will.

Solutions aren't easy mate, it may mean that they are forced to use buses because the trains are just that broken it'll kill the country relying on them.

Not a dig at rail workers more of a dig at the cunts who run the rail system.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Solutions aren't easy mate, it may mean that they are forced to use buses because the trains are just that broken it'll kill the country relying on them.

Not a dig at rail workers more of a dig at the cunts who run the rail system.

I agree.

For a generation the railway networks has been used to be a literal Gravy train for national bus companies, or nationalised foreign railways running them and using the profits to improve their own networks.

The industry is in a clusterfuck situation. I think it's the biggest employer of middle management bullshit jobs in the country and needs everyone to work together to sort it out and deliver a sustainable and passenger friendly system.

That's going to take a generation to do and will only happen if future governments commit to doing it.

 

[lancs blue]

Do you want to work when you don't have to?

Even people who do all the overtime cannot work after a certain amount of days by law.

Both the company and the staff are to blame IMO. Privatisation has been a total mess for the railways but the inflexibility of the unions has its own share of the blame.

 

[Matt Diablo]

The bigwigs will probably pay themselves huge bonuses for massively underachieving. Same as all the other privatised twats. Thames Water main man got a 300k bonus recently for 3 months period recently whilst governing the fukin pirates being 50m in debt!

 

[Oldtraffordblue1]

No I am on the 1116 (should have been the 1016) it got reinstated but is running late. What was worse than the hundreds of people on the concourse was the fact that there were at least 3 avanti trains sat at the platforms for over one hour before they would even let people on - maybe they were playing twister to see which train driver had to go where. Then instead of texting batches of people to tell them which platform it’s the usual free for all!

 

[Stephen230]

Both the company and the staff are to blame IMO. Privatisation has been a total mess for the railways but the inflexibility of the unions has its own share of the blame.

This current problem with Northern Rail in the North West goes back about 20 years when their predecessor offered drivers and guards something like a 25% basic pay rise to sign a more ‘modern’ contract. It did away with most of the favourable terms in the old British Rail contracts.

For guards in particular it offered vastly reduced enhancements for working overtime, coupled with no commitment to work Sundays.

I don’t blame the staff at all. Who’s not going to vote for a 25% pay rise? Particularly as a large proportion of them would have been retiring in the next decade or so.

But it created a huge potential problem, which the management at the time should have foreseen but didn’t. And we’re seeing the results of that failure now.

Derby day on a Sunday. The majority of guards in the Manchester area will support either City or United. No compulsion to work. And no great financial incentive to do so.

What would you do?