Neville Kneville
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No you aren't the first to 'call this out' but you are missing the point that I don't care.
But also, nor do most of the people reading this forum, so why not just talk football ?
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Devante Cole: "City don't care about English kids"
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No you aren't the first to 'call this out' but you are missing the point that I don't care.
But also, nor do most of the people reading this forum, so why not just talk football ?
He also gave debuts to Thiago Alcantara, Marc Bartra, Martin Montoya and Sergi Roberto to name but a few.
Not in one season he didn't.
Fact of the matter is...the club employ people...professional people...to make these decisions based on how the kids perform day to day...it's what they do...and you won't be surprised to hear that they know more about who is going to cut the mustard than some armchair youth expert posting on bluemoon
So by that logic does it mean that Pellgrini is infallible? He's a professional employed by the club so I assume that means his tactics and team selections are always 100% correct?
Neville Kneville
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When Harry Kane went out on loan to Orient, Millwall and then Norwich and Leicester in 2012/13 by the end of that season he had had 1, 4 minute appearance for Tottenham. He got his chance at the end of 2013/14 and has stayed in at Spurs. If Adebayor and Soldado had clicked that season, he would have been gone too.
The whole bringing players through in England is shit, not just City. It why you don't need to be from Bacup to count the number of World class players England have produced in the last ten years on one hand.
Not true re Kane mate they used him in the Europa. But I agree with your assessment that England is shit at this on the whole. But us & Chelsea imo are full of riches in youth football & squandering it at a criminal level. But I think it's mainly down to the managers.
On 25 August 2011 Kane made his first appearance for Tottenham Hotspur, starting in the second leg of their Europa League qualification round against Hearts, with Tottenham making changes after winning the first leg 5–0. His debut was a goalless match, although he won a penalty after being fouled by goalkeeper Jamie MacDonald, who then saved the penalty which Kane took himself. He went on to make six appearances in the Europa League that season, scoring his first Tottenham goal in the 4–0 win at Shamrock Rovers on 15 December.
n 29 December, Kane and Tottenham teammate Ryan Mason agreed to join Championship club Millwall on loan from 1 January 2012 until the end of the season.
IanBishopsHaircut
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So by that logic does it mean that Pellgrini is infallible? He's a professional employed by the club so I assume that means his tactics and team selections are always 100% correct?
No
But by the same logic do you think you could do a better job than him?
He's getting paid lots because he is a professional manager
No offence but you're just some guy with an opinion on the Internet
Neville Kneville
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"But people on here spout this fucking trash, as if it's a rule, that our superstaff just look at a player & 'know' when the accepted rule in football if there was one, would be the complete opposite & people don't 'know' at all."
This is how talent is assed in all levels of football. The higher the level the better qualified person or people making the call. From picking teams at Cubs, to the school PE teacher to Pep Guardiola all pick players based of their opinions. On what they think.
Those at City have obviously identified those players they 'know' or more likely have assessed over years and have made an educated guess that they are the most likely to succed. This is the case throughout football. Experts are employed to make such decissions.
Have you not handed your CV in at City yet? I don't know why we're pissing round with all these well qualified experts in their field when we could just employ Neville Kneville...
Four young players have made their way into the first team reckoning this season and more have been on the bench. There are EDS players regularly on the bench and taking part in first team training.
So far this month you've have professed to knowing more about our first team players, their conditioning, our transfer policies, our youth development than those employed to do so. Yet you keep banging this drum. A drum that even if ten players were playing you'd want 15. You knew that Fernandinho was injured due to being over played, you knew De Bruyne was shite against Everton as he was burnt out. All as you say, utter bullshit.
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But people on here spout this fucking trash, as if it's a rule, that our superstaff just look at a player & 'know' when the accepted rule in football if there was one, would be the complete opposite & people don't 'know' at all.
Now you're talking about Pep and Barcelona, again more utter shite. Pep is famed for utilising established players in all positions. Yes he promoted a couple young players to fringe/squad players for the walk over games, players he'd worked with for a few years, players who have actually played senior football. Again another huge hole in your arguement.
Pep utilised players like Abidal, Toure, Adriano, Kieta and Mascerano all over the field. Even the likes of David Villa and Henry were pushed out of position. The idea that he filled his side with youth is as you put it, 'bullshit'. Likewise his time at Bayern.
Pep would often play Adriano or Kieta at left back, or Abidal or Toure and later Mascerano at centre back, not giving youth a chance. You'd be typing for weeks if Pellegrini played Delph at left back or Fernando at centre half in place of youngsters. Exactly what Pep did at Barcelona.
Pep, like any good manager will give youth as and when they are ready. Much like Pellegrini is giving Iheanacho a chance. Asides from this, Pellegrini doesn't have the unquestionable reputation Pep has. Every time we don't win there's pages and pages questioning him, media asking if he's for the chop.
In my opinion, irrelevant I'm sure, but your point becomes annoying and largely very ignorable despite clearly wanting what all fans of all clubs want.
It's not a bad opinion to have, but it's quiet frankly dreamy.
How many clubs challenging for titles throughout Europe have given senior debuts to teenagers this season?
You talk of Pep's Barcelona, he gave 3 players their debuts, Pique, Pedro & Busquets. Pique had played 20+ senior games combined in two countries and Pedro & Busquets 80+ senior games behind them. They were all over 20.
If you're going to continue down this road, get some perspective. Pellegrini has given 4 teenage debuts this season, 4 a season is a decent return at any club. To compare Arsenal have given 4 debuts to teenagers, 3 took part against Sheff Wed, never been seen again.
The CFA will undoubtably produce talent worthy of our first team, patience is key. If four debuts isn't enough, how many is?
Neville, everything we've been told as a fan base since the takeover has pretty much come true, why do you doubt their commitment to youth? It simply doesn't make sense.
All this is irrelevant as I don't belive City are choosing their talent based on nationality. To exclude the domestic talent doesn't make sense at any level.
I'm not talking about 'them' the club, I'm talking about 'them' the managers. I've made this clear many times. Both have been utterly fucking useless in this regard imo & when they have actually used kids it's been too late, not enough, wrong kid wrong time etc etc. Awful. Truly awful.
I don't believe anything you say re our coaches. If you can tell me honestly that they have told you personally that they all believe none of our kids have been good enough to merit bits of time on the pitch, then I won't call you a liar & I'll accept it.
But if that isn't the case, then you are just guessing that the staff agrees with the manager.
And re Barca, look up how many young academy players Pep used, I am right & you are utterly & completely wrong. I don't care which manager debuts them or even at which club in the case of Roberts, evans & Denayer. Just that they get a reasonable crack at it.
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Neville Kneville
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No
But by the same logic do you think you could do a better job than him?
He's getting paid lots because he is a professional manager
No offence but you're just some guy with an opinion on the Internet
He's not interested in the kids imo mate, just doing his own thing.
Imo it's a mistake because the squad would be stronger with a few kids involved so his job would actually be easier. If Vieira was in charge, I recon we'd have a bunch of them involved & same with Baconface or Pinocchio. But Pellegrini doesn't have to use them so he doesn't. When it gets seriuos with injuries, he suddenly starts considering them. That's not the time imo, you should plan ahead & findout which ones are useful. He had Manu Garcia on the bench at Stoke, in a hurricane. It's not going to work Manuel.
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He's not interested in the kids imo mate, just doing his own thing.
Imo it's a mistake because the squad would be stronger with a few kids involved so his job would actually be easier. If Vieira was in charge, I recon we'd have a bunch of them involved & same with Baconface or Pinocchio. But Pellegrini doesn't have to use them so he doesn't. When it gets seriuos with injuries, he suddenly starts considering them. That's not the time imo, you should plan ahead & findout which ones are useful. He had Manu Garcia on the bench at Stoke, in a hurricane. It's not going to work Manuel.
You've lost me. He had him on the bench in case a full back got injured as neither Zaba nor Clichy were available. That's the way it works isn't it? He wasn't there to get experience/get involved/be given a chance.
Not in that way anyway. Practical choice for the team.
If Viera was in charge of the team he would have the same targets and the same methods. If a kid is good enough he plays (Nacho), if he isn't he doesn't.
IanBishopsHaircut
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He's not interested in the kids imo mate, just doing his own thing.
Imo it's a mistake because the squad would be stronger with a few kids involved so his job would actually be easier. If Vieira was in charge, I recon we'd have a bunch of them involved & same with Baconface or Pinocchio. But Pellegrini doesn't have to use them so he doesn't. When it gets seriuos with injuries, he suddenly starts considering them. That's not the time imo, you should plan ahead & findout which ones are useful. He had Manu Garcia on the bench at Stoke, in a hurricane. It's not going to work Manuel.
I only mentioned Pellers because Cobra did, I'm talking about the folks that run the day to day of the youth side
You've lost me. He had him on the bench in case a full back got injured as neither Zaba nor Clichy were available. That's the way it works isn't it? He wasn't there to get experience/get involved/be given a chance.
Not in that way anyway. Practical choice for the team.
I think you're confusing Manu Garcia with Maffeo. Maffeo is a full back (and wasn't on the bench vs Stoke) whereas Garcia is a 5'5 attacking midfielder.