Did we really get it wrong?

[SalfordCityBlue]

Don't think anyone should be sacked, but I'd bet they will look very closely internally about how such an amateurish mistake was allowed to happen... How can we not know the rules of CL group stage? All the fans knew, the commentators knew, Bayern seemed to know when they were holding on at the end...

It's indefensible (at this point) but still, a famous win.

 

[Lucky Toma]

Its just fucking weird how much abuse the OP is getting over this.

Its a legitimate talking point - which is extremely frustrating considering the amazing comeback and result we witnessed tonight.

Becoming increasingly clear that Pellegrini, his coaching staff, and all the players were not aware a further goal took us top of the group. If this is so its embarrassing, shambolic, amatuerish in the extreme, and thoroughly baffling.

When you think how much time, preparation, money, expertise and miniscule planning goes into the running of the team and club. For this oversight to occur is truly bizarre.

Reading all the aggressive defenders of this - denying it in most instances or, more strangely, attempting to wave it away as if it doesnt matter - reveals the true depth of supporter bias.
And these posters are probably the same ones kicking off at Sky for their bias. Hypocrites.

Sorry, but it's not weird or strange. He said that members of the coaching staff should be sacked for the mistake (if one was made, which i've not seen enough of the press stuff to comment on).

That's ridiculous, isn't it. His/her rapid row back from that starting position speaks volumes

All the other stuff about we should be better prepared, etc, I can live with. But sacking the people partly responsible for an excellent result?

TBF tho, this is the internet and I may be taking this too seriously :)

Have to admit mate that I didnt see the bit espousing sackings and thats obviously OTT. But this has to be addressed internally and with some urgency.

You can bet your bottom dollar the coaching staff would know each player's bodyfat percentage to the nearest decimal point yet this basic potentially crucial fact - that myself and every blue around me knew - passed them by.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

That what I heard too. I cannot see what the fuss is about.

He brought Rodwell on late on because they were getting on top and our two strikers were doing nothing. Putting aguero on then could have cost us a deserved, morale boosting win

That's not what he said (I do agree with the rest of your post though - didn't disagree with the subs personally). Here are the quotes from the Independent for the record:

One more goal would have been enough to secure the two-goal margin needed for City to top the group at Bayern's expense, but Pellegrini, although, it could be a simple case of still learning the English language, appeared to think City required five goals, not four.

When asked by Sky Sports after the match if he was tempted to bring on his best striker with nearly 30 minutes remaining, Pellegrini replied: "I was tempted if we scored the fourth goal of course. That's why I sent Aguero to warm up."

When talking about the substitution of Silva at a time when City only needed one goal to achieve the two-goal winning margin they required to finish top, Pellegrini, who reached the semi-final of the competition with Villarreal in 2006, said:

"[But] to score two goals in those circumstances would be difficult and Silva has to play no more than 70 minutes"

One more goal, City's fourth, could have given them the 4-2 scoreline they needed to finish as Group D winners, but Pellegrini did say later in the interview that finishing top was not the most important thing for his team.

Hmm. Sounds like they didn't know. I didn't hear the '2 more goals' bit and turned off after.

It shows you how little they had actually considered getting a result there with that team! Not sure I'm hugely bothered, although it is a bizarre thing to happen. I suppose you could argue that thinking they needed 2 more spurred everyone on further. Imagine if negredo had scored and then we'd gone at it all guns blazing. Imagine if we'd won 4-2 and the interviewer had to tell them all they were top!

As I say, not hugely arsed. Arsenal was always the priority and we go into that game full strength and having rested most of the team. And with a famous, and psychologically huge away victory behind us.

Which dick said typical city was dead?

 

[slick]

I think we did, as I was watching the match and saw the subs we made the thought of 'Pellegrini doesn't realise we only need another goal to top the group' crossed my mind.

I'll let him off though as it never crossed my mind either until the commentator mentioned it during the match, in my mind and as no doubt Pellegrini's was ' we need to win this by three goals'.
I don't blame Pellegrini though as he was wrapped up in the match and after the start we had any win would be fantastic as it was; but considering the amount of staff City have around him it's inexcusable that nobody tapped him on the shoulder.

Still It was a great night tonight and if lesson's have been learnt then all the better, we're in the hat and about to face a very good team sooner rather than later which we would have to have overcome anyhow.

Having allready qualified for the KO stages of the CL; Saturdays Arsenal fixture was always top of the agenda and still is hence tonight's team selection.

 

[bluecityste]

Jesus...

Peligrini does not always finish his sentences before moving onto the next, it's a common trait of his interviews.

He was talking about needing to score 4 being difficult and Arsenal being the focus, and then moved on to focusing on the decision to take off Silva which he felt was more of an important issue...we DID need two goals when Silva was still on.

Media misinterpreted and unfortunately quite a few of us seem to be swallowing it instead of relistening with a clear mind.

 

[cucumberman]

1. Bringing Kun on doesnt guarantee a 4th goal though its chance may be slightly higher.

2. We might have risked Kun picking up an injury. I'd take this win above that risk. He is indispensable to our league campaign at the moment.

3. It's not like Bayern was rolling over anyway, just dazed and flustered. If we took an offensive route for the kill it could possibly have put us 3-3 on the counter and we would not be patting each other's backs and sending a message to other teams.

4. Milner.

5. We won. Against arguably the worlds best team. On their ground.

6. Silva clocked minutes.

 

[steviemc]

The right decisions were made, and not only did we win the game, we've probably earned a lot of respect from BM and other European clubs. I dread to think of the meltdown on here, had we have changed tactics and come away with a draw. I can hear it now, all the 'what could have been', and 'only ifs'.

FFS when the MUEN or commentators come out with this sort of negative shit they get crucified by some on here.

 

[oakiecokie]

Don't think anyone should be sacked, but I'd bet they will look very closely internally about how such an amateurish mistake was allowed to happen... How can we not know the rules of CL group stage? All the fans knew, the commentators knew, Bayern seemed to know when they were holding on at the end...

It's indefensible (at this point) but still, a famous win.

Whooooooh !! And how people claimed on here that we had to win by 3 clear goals ?? Fucking loads at one stage.

 

[Kippaxstreetheadache]

Its just fucking weird how much abuse the OP is getting over this.

Its a legitimate talking point - which is extremely frustrating considering the amazing comeback and result we witnessed tonight.

Becoming increasingly clear that Pellegrini, his coaching staff, and all the players were not aware a further goal took us top of the group. If this is so its embarrassing, shambolic, amatuerish in the extreme, and thoroughly baffling.

When you think how much time, preparation, money, expertise and miniscule planning goes into the running of the team and club. For this oversight to occur is truly bizarre.

Reading all the aggressive defenders of this - denying it in most instances or, more strangely, attempting to wave it away as if it doesnt matter - reveals the true depth of supporter bias.
And these posters are probably the same ones kicking off at Sky for their bias. Hypocrites.

Bang on.

I said it before, but it's no coincidence that most of the abusive responses have come from people who were staunch critics of a certain Italian.

It's painfully ironic. We all know what their response to such a glaring oversight would have been if it was said Italian's responsibility.

Then again, since they were so harshly critical of Mancini, by extension, they have a vested interest in Pellegrini. So errors are glossed over, nothing is viewed fairly or subjectively. It's less about who's right/wrong for the club, and more about said posters vindicating their original position, it's about said people being right on the internet.

Tragic really.

 

[oakiecokie]

That what I heard too. I cannot see what the fuss is about.

He brought Rodwell on late on because they were getting on top and our two strikers were doing nothing. Putting aguero on then could have cost us a deserved, morale boosting win

That's not what he said (I do agree with the rest of your post though - didn't disagree with the subs personally). Here are the quotes from the Independent for the record:

One more goal would have been enough to secure the two-goal margin needed for City to top the group at Bayern's expense, but Pellegrini, although, it could be a simple case of still learning the English language, appeared to think City required five goals, not four.

When asked by Sky Sports after the match if he was tempted to bring on his best striker with nearly 30 minutes remaining, Pellegrini replied: "I was tempted if we scored the fourth goal of course. That's why I sent Aguero to warm up."

When talking about the substitution of Silva at a time when City only needed one goal to achieve the two-goal winning margin they required to finish top, Pellegrini, who reached the semi-final of the competition with Villarreal in 2006, said:

"[But] to score two goals in those circumstances would be difficult and Silva has to play no more than 70 minutes"

One more goal, City's fourth, could have given them the 4-2 scoreline they needed to finish as Group D winners, but Pellegrini did say later in the interview that finishing top was not the most important thing for his team.

Hmm. Sounds like they didn't know. I didn't hear the '2 more goals' bit and turned off after.

It shows you how little they had actually considered getting a result there with that team! Not sure I'm hugely bothered, although it is a bizarre thing to happen. I suppose you could argue that thinking they needed 2 more spurred everyone on further. Imagine if negredo had scored and then we'd gone at it all guns blazing. Imagine if we'd won 4-2 and the interviewer had to tell them all they were top!

As I say, not hugely arsed. Arsenal was always the priority and we go into that game full strength and having rested most of the team. And with a famous, and psychologically huge away victory behind us.

Which dick said typical city was dead?

A certain Mr. who was sacked by City a couple of years ago.