Discuss Pellegrini...(cont)

[Shaelumstash]

So you don't think a manager deserves any credit for keeping pressure on the title rivals whilst they drop points, but yet you expect a top manager to win the league by at least 8 points?

Did you miss the sentence above where I said:
"We were very professional in winning at Palace, and although we would be expected to win that game anyway in any other season, he still got the job done, so deserves credit for that."?

And I didn't say "at least 8 points". I said "I personally think that with a top manager, with this selection of players, at this stage of their career's, we would have won the league comfortably by 6 or 8 points."

To quote Ian Brown: "You're telling lies, when the truth will do."

Your problem is that you view everything in black and white.

You say that you feel that a top manager would have won the league comfortably but totally fail to acknowledge the run Liverpool went on. The fact that they won about 13 games on the spin, which nobody would have predicted, and we are still in a position to win the league shows that Pellers has done a top job so far.

I am not saying that Pellegrini hasn't got it wrong at time this season because he has. But in the big games, despite Pellers so called 'brainfart' tactics, it has been individual mistakes that has cost us dearly. He probably did get the selection wrong at Anfield, but his changes got us right back into the game.

It makes me laugh how people assume that if we would have tactically lined up differently then there would have been a better outcome. We could have started Milner, still got blown away in the first 15 mins and then not been able to change it.

IMO Pellegrini is a top class manager and by time he's finished here, people won't be hoping that he can be as good as Klopp and Simeone. People will be hoping that they can be as good as Pellegrini.

Lol. As opposed to "seeing things in black and white" I've repeatedly said I think he's done a decent job, but has made mistakes.

I'm not really sure why it makes you laugh when people point out that Anfield could have been different if he'd been a bit more savvy. I knew going in to that game that Liverpool would fly out of the blocks at us, and would exploit our high line. That's exactly what happened and they went 2-0 after 15 minutes.

I also knew that Mourinho wouldn't let that happen and that he'd sit deep and hit them on the break. I said so on here 2 weeks before the game, and I had £50 at 7/2 on Chelsea winning the game.

The only people looking in black and white are the ones that refuse to acknowledge the mistakes Pellegrini has made this year, and there have been many. These posters fall in to 2 categories - either the don't understand the intricacies of the game, or they have other agendas such as rubbishing previous managers or being so in awe of the CEO and DoF that they refuse to accept they could posssibly ever make a questionable decision.

 

[supercity88]

This is a great time for Pellers to prove the doubters wrong.

2 of my concerns have been the away form to top half teams and his inability to get the result needed in the big game (Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal etc).

They don't come much bigger than this. It's time to show us all what he is made of

That's clearly not an accurate criticism... every game is an important one... it is more acceptable to lose to a good side than a poor side. Losing to Villa and Cardiff are the games where I would expect City to win and when we don't I will question why. The only games in recent times that we have failed to win are; Sunderland at home, where I would expect us to win and Norwich away. Should we point the finger at Brendan Rodgers and say that he too is unable to get a result in a big game - he has lost to Chelsea home and away and to us, at the Etihad. Consistency over the season is crucial, for all his plaudits Mourinho has been the one who has struggled most with getting that from his Chelsea side. Rather than grow in consistency and stature, they have lost winnable games recently and were actually harder to beat at the start of the season.

Our record is; 4pts from Arsenal, 6pts from the Rags, 3pts from Liverpool, 6pts from Tottenham, 0pts from Chelsea. That is a good record, Chelsea aside. It totals 19pts/30 from those 5 teams. Chelsea have taken 4pts from Arsenal, 4pts from the Rags, 6pts from Liverpool, 6pts from us and 4pts from Spurs totalling 24pts from 30. It is harsh to say Pellegrini struggles in away games against top half teams - it is bottom half teams in fact where we struggled. Our form has been much improved since those early issues. We've won a cup from a goal down, in a big game and beaten Chelsea in the FA Cup in a big game and shown great spirit in the CL in big games. With time, he will improve the squad and the confidence in the players and we will improve.

I agree that we cannot afford to lose two games to a title rival - that may be the difference in other seasons, but when you consider how well we have done since losing at Cardiff, Villa, Sunderland and Chelsea (early season transition) the future looks very good.

 

[Bill]

This is a great time for Pellers to prove the doubters wrong.

2 of my concerns have been the away form to top half teams and his inability to get the result needed in the big game (Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal etc).

They don't come much bigger than this. It's time to show us all what he is made of

This is a fantastic opportunity for him to put the 'nearly man' tag to bed. Conversely if we balls it up having been given a lifeline then that accusation gains more weight.

Yep but let's just remember that the players have to turn up and we need an honest ref. Both out of pellers hands once they kick off.

 

[daztrueblue91]

Did you miss the sentence above where I said:
"We were very professional in winning at Palace, and although we would be expected to win that game anyway in any other season, he still got the job done, so deserves credit for that."?

And I didn't say "at least 8 points". I said "I personally think that with a top manager, with this selection of players, at this stage of their career's, we would have won the league comfortably by 6 or 8 points."

To quote Ian Brown: "You're telling lies, when the truth will do."

Your problem is that you view everything in black and white.

You say that you feel that a top manager would have won the league comfortably but totally fail to acknowledge the run Liverpool went on. The fact that they won about 13 games on the spin, which nobody would have predicted, and we are still in a position to win the league shows that Pellers has done a top job so far.

I am not saying that Pellegrini hasn't got it wrong at time this season because he has. But in the big games, despite Pellers so called 'brainfart' tactics, it has been individual mistakes that has cost us dearly. He probably did get the selection wrong at Anfield, but his changes got us right back into the game.

It makes me laugh how people assume that if we would have tactically lined up differently then there would have been a better outcome. We could have started Milner, still got blown away in the first 15 mins and then not been able to change it.

IMO Pellegrini is a top class manager and by time he's finished here, people won't be hoping that he can be as good as Klopp and Simeone. People will be hoping that they can be as good as Pellegrini.

Lol. As opposed to "seeing things in black and white" I've repeatedly said I think he's done a decent job, but has made mistakes.

I'm not really sure why it makes you laugh when people point out that Anfield could have been different if he'd been a bit more savvy. I knew going in to that game that Liverpool would fly out of the blocks at us, and would exploit our high line. That's exactly what happened and they went 2-0 after 15 minutes.

I also knew that Mourinho wouldn't let that happen and that he'd sit deep and hit them on the break. I said so on here 2 weeks before the game, and I had £50 at 7/2 on Chelsea winning the game.

The only people looking in black and white are the ones that refuse to acknowledge the mistakes Pellegrini has made this year, and there have been many. These posters fall in to 2 categories - either the don't understand the intricacies of the game, or they have other agendas such as rubbishing previous managers or being so in awe of the CEO and DoF that they refuse to accept they could posssibly ever make a questionable decision.

Your the one who is acting as if the only reason we lost the games against Liverpool, Cardiff and Bayern are solely because of Pellegrini's mistakes. I suppose it was nothing to do with individual errors.

It makes me laugh because no one can predict what would have happened if we would have been a bit more savvy. You can criticise all you want with hindsight but the fact is Liverpool was a game where everything possible went against us. We played Chelsea away and went more defensive and still got beat. Also we are also a team who come flying out of the blocks.

You always have a pop at Pellegrini, even your compliments are backhanded. If we win the league it will have been an fantastic season. If we don't then it will have an average return. The fact we will challenge right to the end is all we can demand.

If we didn't win the league from this position it would be disappointing. But we having been playing catchup from the start of the season. Everyone has made mistakes this season from Pellers to Vinny to Hart to Sergio.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Did you miss the sentence above where I said:
"We were very professional in winning at Palace, and although we would be expected to win that game anyway in any other season, he still got the job done, so deserves credit for that."?

And I didn't say "at least 8 points". I said "I personally think that with a top manager, with this selection of players, at this stage of their career's, we would have won the league comfortably by 6 or 8 points."

To quote Ian Brown: "You're telling lies, when the truth will do."

Your problem is that you view everything in black and white.

You say that you feel that a top manager would have won the league comfortably but totally fail to acknowledge the run Liverpool went on. The fact that they won about 13 games on the spin, which nobody would have predicted, and we are still in a position to win the league shows that Pellers has done a top job so far.

I am not saying that Pellegrini hasn't got it wrong at time this season because he has. But in the big games, despite Pellers so called 'brainfart' tactics, it has been individual mistakes that has cost us dearly. He probably did get the selection wrong at Anfield, but his changes got us right back into the game.

It makes me laugh how people assume that if we would have tactically lined up differently then there would have been a better outcome. We could have started Milner, still got blown away in the first 15 mins and then not been able to change it.

IMO Pellegrini is a top class manager and by time he's finished here, people won't be hoping that he can be as good as Klopp and Simeone. People will be hoping that they can be as good as Pellegrini.

Lol. As opposed to "seeing things in black and white" I've repeatedly said I think he's done a decent job, but has made mistakes.

I'm not really sure why it makes you laugh when people point out that Anfield could have been different if he'd been a bit more savvy. I knew going in to that game that Liverpool would fly out of the blocks at us, and would exploit our high line. That's exactly what happened and they went 2-0 after 15 minutes.

I also knew that Mourinho wouldn't let that happen and that he'd sit deep and hit them on the break. I said so on here 2 weeks before the game, and I had £50 at 7/2 on Chelsea winning the game.

The only people looking in black and white are the ones that refuse to acknowledge the mistakes Pellegrini has made this year, and there have been many. These posters fall in to 2 categories - either the don't understand the intricacies of the game, or they have other agendas such as rubbishing previous managers or being so in awe of the CEO and DoF that they refuse to accept they could posssibly ever make a questionable decision.

I've tried to stay away from this thread since the Liverpool game, cos the knee jerk, hindsight, sanctimonious tosh merchants were in full sway. Clearly it's still not safe to come back yet......

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Your problem is that you view everything in black and white.

You say that you feel that a top manager would have won the league comfortably but totally fail to acknowledge the run Liverpool went on. The fact that they won about 13 games on the spin, which nobody would have predicted, and we are still in a position to win the league shows that Pellers has done a top job so far.

I am not saying that Pellegrini hasn't got it wrong at time this season because he has. But in the big games, despite Pellers so called 'brainfart' tactics, it has been individual mistakes that has cost us dearly. He probably did get the selection wrong at Anfield, but his changes got us right back into the game.

It makes me laugh how people assume that if we would have tactically lined up differently then there would have been a better outcome. We could have started Milner, still got blown away in the first 15 mins and then not been able to change it.

IMO Pellegrini is a top class manager and by time he's finished here, people won't be hoping that he can be as good as Klopp and Simeone. People will be hoping that they can be as good as Pellegrini.

Lol. As opposed to "seeing things in black and white" I've repeatedly said I think he's done a decent job, but has made mistakes.

I'm not really sure why it makes you laugh when people point out that Anfield could have been different if he'd been a bit more savvy. I knew going in to that game that Liverpool would fly out of the blocks at us, and would exploit our high line. That's exactly what happened and they went 2-0 after 15 minutes.

I also knew that Mourinho wouldn't let that happen and that he'd sit deep and hit them on the break. I said so on here 2 weeks before the game, and I had £50 at 7/2 on Chelsea winning the game.

The only people looking in black and white are the ones that refuse to acknowledge the mistakes Pellegrini has made this year, and there have been many. These posters fall in to 2 categories - either the don't understand the intricacies of the game, or they have other agendas such as rubbishing previous managers or being so in awe of the CEO and DoF that they refuse to accept they could posssibly ever make a questionable decision.

I've tried to stay away from this thread since the Liverpool game, cos the knee jerk, hindsight, sanctimonious tosh merchants were in full sway. Clearly it's still not safe to come back yet......

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Lol. As opposed to "seeing things in black and white" I've repeatedly said I think he's done a decent job, but has made mistakes.

I'm not really sure why it makes you laugh when people point out that Anfield could have been different if he'd been a bit more savvy. I knew going in to that game that Liverpool would fly out of the blocks at us, and would exploit our high line. That's exactly what happened and they went 2-0 after 15 minutes.

I also knew that Mourinho wouldn't let that happen and that he'd sit deep and hit them on the break. I said so on here 2 weeks before the game, and I had £50 at 7/2 on Chelsea winning the game.

The only people looking in black and white are the ones that refuse to acknowledge the mistakes Pellegrini has made this year, and there have been many. These posters fall in to 2 categories - either the don't understand the intricacies of the game, or they have other agendas such as rubbishing previous managers or being so in awe of the CEO and DoF that they refuse to accept they could posssibly ever make a questionable decision.

I've tried to stay away from this thread since the Liverpool game, cos the knee jerk, hindsight, sanctimonious tosh merchants were in full sway. Clearly it's still not safe to come back yet......

Thanks for sharing.

Sometimes it's nice to

 

[80s Shorts]

I have got it now...

Johnson28392 is a wummer.

It won't work on me...

I love reading your opinions.

It makes me feel so much better about myself.

Keep churning out the windups son...

JJ

Yep. I am amazed people reply to this fool.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Your problem is that you view everything in black and white.

You say that you feel that a top manager would have won the league comfortably but totally fail to acknowledge the run Liverpool went on. The fact that they won about 13 games on the spin, which nobody would have predicted, and we are still in a position to win the league shows that Pellers has done a top job so far.

I am not saying that Pellegrini hasn't got it wrong at time this season because he has. But in the big games, despite Pellers so called 'brainfart' tactics, it has been individual mistakes that has cost us dearly. He probably did get the selection wrong at Anfield, but his changes got us right back into the game.

It makes me laugh how people assume that if we would have tactically lined up differently then there would have been a better outcome. We could have started Milner, still got blown away in the first 15 mins and then not been able to change it.

IMO Pellegrini is a top class manager and by time he's finished here, people won't be hoping that he can be as good as Klopp and Simeone. People will be hoping that they can be as good as Pellegrini.

Lol. As opposed to "seeing things in black and white" I've repeatedly said I think he's done a decent job, but has made mistakes.

I'm not really sure why it makes you laugh when people point out that Anfield could have been different if he'd been a bit more savvy. I knew going in to that game that Liverpool would fly out of the blocks at us, and would exploit our high line. That's exactly what happened and they went 2-0 after 15 minutes.

I also knew that Mourinho wouldn't let that happen and that he'd sit deep and hit them on the break. I said so on here 2 weeks before the game, and I had £50 at 7/2 on Chelsea winning the game.

The only people looking in black and white are the ones that refuse to acknowledge the mistakes Pellegrini has made this year, and there have been many. These posters fall in to 2 categories - either the don't understand the intricacies of the game, or they have other agendas such as rubbishing previous managers or being so in awe of the CEO and DoF that they refuse to accept they could posssibly ever make a questionable decision.

Your the one who is acting as if the only reason we lost the games against Liverpool, Cardiff and Bayern are solely because of Pellegrini's mistakes. I suppose it was nothing to do with individual errors.

It makes me laugh because no one can predict what would have happened if we would have been a bit more savvy. You can criticise all you want with hindsight but the fact is Liverpool was a game where everything possible went against us. We played Chelsea away and went more defensive and still got beat. Also we are also a team who come flying out of the blocks.

You always have a pop at Pellegrini, even your compliments are backhanded. If we win the league it will have been an fantastic season. If we don't then it will have an average return. The fact we will challenge right to the end is all we can demand.

If we didn't win the league from this position it would be disappointing. But we having been playing catchup from the start of the season. Everyone has made mistakes this season from Pellers to Vinny to Hart to Sergio.

Mate, I agree, it will be a great season if we win the league, and Pellegrini will deserve a huge amount of credit if we pull it off. You don't seem to be willing to accept that is my view, despite me saying it numerous times.

The Liverpool game is not with the benefit of hindsight. Before the game kicked off I said if we play our usual high line Liverpool will maul us in the first 25 minutes, which proved to be the case. I thought the best way to beat them would be to sit deep, narrow, contain them and hit them on the break. I thought this is how Chelsea would play, thought it would be successful for them, and even put money on it. You can't say that's hindsight, it's foresight.

Of course Pellers isn't to blame for all our losses. Villa away, Chelsea away and both Barca games he set the team up right in my view and we lost. I said as much at the time, check my posts.

However in my view there were games which I believe he was directly responsible for the loss. Cardiff away, Chelsea at home in the league, Bayern at home, Wigan at home etc.

It's no problem if you disagree, just don't call me black and white. I've given him plenty of credit where it's due. The black and whiters are the ones that are incapable / unwilling to accept he has made mistakes.

 

[eversince 76]

Let's keep riminding ourselves before the season took off, Chelsea had the odds to win the title. Because not al ot of chances and the arrival of Mourinho. Also in the reckoning was United. Again not many changes in personel, more to do with the change of living without Ferguson. Arsenal would definitely have a say as they kept everything the same and the stats in the 2nd half of last season were great.
City would compete, but they would find it more difficult because they brought in 4 new players and a new manager, new to the PL, who hadn't won big things on European soil, AND who would change the style of play. Including the pressure of winning a prize to live up to Soriano's statement of winning 5 prizes at least over the next 5 years.
Liverpool not being mentioned at all for that matter.

Now, why do people state Pellegrini would have failed to deliver if he doesn't win the title?

Than again, now we are in a position to win it and everybody at the club lived through the changes, so it's up to the player and manager to finish it in style. I think we've had a great season but now we are just in the position and so close to winning the title, I want more. We already won the League Cup and if Pellegrini wins the PL as well in his very first season, it should be seen as a massive achievement. I will see it that way anyways.