Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 2)

[sh249]

Some advice to MP

Take a look at the performances of Atletico, in particular last nights fantastic job on that white trash.
Look at your fellow South American "chollo" Simeone and see how you can ingrain just some of the togetherness, commitment, purpose, determination and downright will to win into our individuals the way he has inbued the very same qualities into the DNA of Atletico´s players. They play with the passion of the fans, something Simeone understands fully. We would get ripped a new one by Atleti based on yesterdays aberration. It simply can´t go on. Twice we thought the game was won and complacency reared its ugly head. We thought it was game over. We were taught a costly lesson. We could be 15 points adrift before too long at this rate.
I have now returned to the natural default setting of expecting nothing from City as frankly I don´t know WHAT to expect one week to the next. Maybe it´s the sensible attitude to take atm as it takes the pressure off and some of us (yes me!!) might take things a bit more in our stride.
Make no mistake , yesterday was an abomination and anyone who really thinks it was anything less is dodging the issue. The two strikers up top yesterday was a combination hardly anyone on this forum would have sanctioned - it clearly didn´t work so why did he insist on it in the first place? Our pass and move play seems to have been thrown out with the bathwater in favour of a scum type wing play bombardment. This was supposed to compliment and provide a plan B to our normal strategy , not become the blueprint for our style of play. There were gaping gaps between the lines of what appeared to be a 4-2-2-2 formation, spaces fully exploited for 2 of the Villa goals. Why on earth weren´t we defending with 2 banks of four if it was supposed to be a 4-4-2 set up?
Disjointed, lacking purpose and devoid of the ruthlessness required from a squad of such quality which leaves me frankly bemused
I sincerely hope we haven´t picked a dud

Nothing wrong with the tactics whatsoever yesterday. Villa created two chances in open play over 90 minutes - one offside, the other from an aimless long ball, aided by unimaginably bad defensive errors. Other than that they got a cheap free-kick (daft foul, nothing to do with tactics or set-up), and a half chance off a corner. That's it.

Far from being disjointed, our play was very cohesive, certainly for the first 60-70 minutes - far better than we saw in the majority of away games last season.

 

[rastus]

Some advice to MP

Take a look at the performances of Atletico, in particular last nights fantastic job on that white trash.
Look at your fellow South American "chollo" Simeone and see how you can ingrain just some of the togetherness, commitment, purpose, determination and downright will to win into our individuals the way he has inbued the very same qualities into the DNA of Atletico´s players. They play with the passion of the fans, something Simeone understands fully. We would get ripped a new one by Atleti based on yesterdays aberration. It simply can´t go on. Twice we thought the game was won and complacency reared its ugly head. We thought it was game over. We were taught a costly lesson. We could be 15 points adrift before too long at this rate.
I have now returned to the natural default setting of expecting nothing from City as frankly I don´t know WHAT to expect one week to the next. Maybe it´s the sensible attitude to take atm as it takes the pressure off and some of us (yes me!!) might take things a bit more in our stride.
Make no mistake , yesterday was an abomination and anyone who really thinks it was anything less is dodging the issue. The two strikers up top yesterday was a combination hardly anyone on this forum would have sanctioned - it clearly didn´t work so why did he insist on it in the first place? Our pass and move play seems to have been thrown out with the bathwater in favour of a scum type wing play bombardment. This was supposed to compliment and provide a plan B to our normal strategy , not become the blueprint for our style of play. There were gaping gaps between the lines of what appeared to be a 4-2-2-2 formation, spaces fully exploited for 2 of the Villa goals. Why on earth weren´t we defending with 2 banks of four if it was supposed to be a 4-4-2 set up?
Disjointed, lacking purpose and devoid of the ruthlessness required from a squad of such quality which leaves me frankly bemused
I sincerely hope we haven´t picked a dud

Nothing wrong with the tactics whatsoever yesterday. Villa created two chances in open play over 90 minutes - one offside, the other from an aimless long ball, aided by unimaginably bad defensive errors. Other than that they got a cheap free-kick (daft foul, nothing to do with tactics or set-up), and a half chance off a corner. That's it.

Far from being disjointed, our play was very cohesive, certainly for the first 60-70 minutes - far better than we saw in the majority of away games last season.

Not sure about that at all, already lost 2 and drawn 1. Something isnt right in our away setup, possibly defending too high and not grinding out a lead to the end and hitting on the counter. I think Pellers sticks to the same tactics at home as he does away and possibly in away games needs to be more conservative when we have a lead.
He cam unstuck with these tactics with Malaga's away record won 5, drew 5 and lost 8.
As Vinny said we were attacking and not defending, Im 100% sure we will see subtle changes in future away games as that is all thats needed imo

 

[cibaman]

The main problem yesterday was that we didn't get the two goal lead. Pellegrini decided that pushing on to get another goal seemed a better option than defending a one goal lead. That didn't work out but I don't think it was an unreasonable approach the way we were playing.

But that's two away games we have lost after taking a lead, twice yesterday. That seems to me to indicate a problem in switching off, assuming the game is won, rather than anything tactical.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Some advice to MP

Take a look at the performances of Atletico, in particular last nights fantastic job on that white trash.
Look at your fellow South American "chollo" Simeone and see how you can ingrain just some of the togetherness, commitment, purpose, determination and downright will to win into our individuals the way he has inbued the very same qualities into the DNA of Atletico´s players. They play with the passion of the fans, something Simeone understands fully. We would get ripped a new one by Atleti based on yesterdays aberration. It simply can´t go on. Twice we thought the game was won and complacency reared its ugly head. We thought it was game over. We were taught a costly lesson. We could be 15 points adrift before too long at this rate.
I have now returned to the natural default setting of expecting nothing from City as frankly I don´t know WHAT to expect one week to the next. Maybe it´s the sensible attitude to take atm as it takes the pressure off and some of us (yes me!!) might take things a bit more in our stride.
Make no mistake , yesterday was an abomination and anyone who really thinks it was anything less is dodging the issue. The two strikers up top yesterday was a combination hardly anyone on this forum would have sanctioned - it clearly didn´t work so why did he insist on it in the first place? Our pass and move play seems to have been thrown out with the bathwater in favour of a scum type wing play bombardment. This was supposed to compliment and provide a plan B to our normal strategy , not become the blueprint for our style of play. There were gaping gaps between the lines of what appeared to be a 4-2-2-2 formation, spaces fully exploited for 2 of the Villa goals. Why on earth weren´t we defending with 2 banks of four if it was supposed to be a 4-4-2 set up?
Disjointed, lacking purpose and devoid of the ruthlessness required from a squad of such quality which leaves me frankly bemused
I sincerely hope we haven´t picked a dud

Nothing wrong with the tactics whatsoever yesterday. Villa created two chances in open play over 90 minutes - one offside, the other from an aimless long ball, aided by unimaginably bad defensive errors. Other than that they got a cheap free-kick (daft foul, nothing to do with tactics or set-up), and a half chance off a corner. That's it.

Far from being disjointed, our play was very cohesive, certainly for the first 60-70 minutes - far better than we saw in the majority of away games last season.

Not sure about that at all, already lost 2 and drawn 1. Something isnt right in our away setup, possibly defending too high and not grinding out a lead to the end and hitting on the counter. I think Pellers sticks to the same tactics at home as he does away and possibly in away games needs to be more conservative when we have a lead.
He cam unstuck with these tactics with Malaga's away record won 5, drew 5 and lost 8.
As Vinny said we were attacking and not defending, Im 100% sure we will see subtle changes in future away games as that is all thats needed imo

The away set up is definitely not suited to the Premiership. Basically we are to open and need a third DM and one less striker.

 

[sh249]

Some advice to MP

Take a look at the performances of Atletico, in particular last nights fantastic job on that white trash.
Look at your fellow South American "chollo" Simeone and see how you can ingrain just some of the togetherness, commitment, purpose, determination and downright will to win into our individuals the way he has inbued the very same qualities into the DNA of Atletico´s players. They play with the passion of the fans, something Simeone understands fully. We would get ripped a new one by Atleti based on yesterdays aberration. It simply can´t go on. Twice we thought the game was won and complacency reared its ugly head. We thought it was game over. We were taught a costly lesson. We could be 15 points adrift before too long at this rate.
I have now returned to the natural default setting of expecting nothing from City as frankly I don´t know WHAT to expect one week to the next. Maybe it´s the sensible attitude to take atm as it takes the pressure off and some of us (yes me!!) might take things a bit more in our stride.
Make no mistake , yesterday was an abomination and anyone who really thinks it was anything less is dodging the issue. The two strikers up top yesterday was a combination hardly anyone on this forum would have sanctioned - it clearly didn´t work so why did he insist on it in the first place? Our pass and move play seems to have been thrown out with the bathwater in favour of a scum type wing play bombardment. This was supposed to compliment and provide a plan B to our normal strategy , not become the blueprint for our style of play. There were gaping gaps between the lines of what appeared to be a 4-2-2-2 formation, spaces fully exploited for 2 of the Villa goals. Why on earth weren´t we defending with 2 banks of four if it was supposed to be a 4-4-2 set up?
Disjointed, lacking purpose and devoid of the ruthlessness required from a squad of such quality which leaves me frankly bemused
I sincerely hope we haven´t picked a dud

Nothing wrong with the tactics whatsoever yesterday. Villa created two chances in open play over 90 minutes - one offside, the other from an aimless long ball, aided by unimaginably bad defensive errors. Other than that they got a cheap free-kick (daft foul, nothing to do with tactics or set-up), and a half chance off a corner. That's it.

Far from being disjointed, our play was very cohesive, certainly for the first 60-70 minutes - far better than we saw in the majority of away games last season.

Not sure about that at all, already lost 2 and drawn 1. Something isnt right in our away setup, possibly defending too high and not grinding out a lead to the end and hitting on the counter. I think Pellers sticks to the same tactics at home as he does away and possibly in away games needs to be more conservative when we have a lead.
He cam unstuck with these tactics with Malaga's away record won 5, drew 5 and lost 8.
As Vinny said we were attacking and not defending, Im 100% sure we will see subtle changes in future away games as that is all thats needed imo

Sure, results have been bad away. But apart from the result, there was very, very little similarity between the performance yesterday and those against Cardiff and Stoke (and the home game against Hull), where we were poor and did look disjointed and vulnerable defensively.

 

[blueparrot]

Nothing wrong with the tactics whatsoever yesterday. Villa created two chances in open play over 90 minutes - one offside, the other from an aimless long ball, aided by unimaginably bad defensive errors. Other than that they got a cheap free-kick (daft foul, nothing to do with tactics or set-up), and a half chance off a corner. That's it.

Far from being disjointed, our play was very cohesive, certainly for the first 60-70 minutes - far better than we saw in the majority of away games last season.

Not sure about that at all, already lost 2 and drawn 1. Something isnt right in our away setup, possibly defending too high and not grinding out a lead to the end and hitting on the counter. I think Pellers sticks to the same tactics at home as he does away and possibly in away games needs to be more conservative when we have a lead.
He cam unstuck with these tactics with Malaga's away record won 5, drew 5 and lost 8.
As Vinny said we were attacking and not defending, Im 100% sure we will see subtle changes in future away games as that is all thats needed imo

The away set up is definitely not suited to the Premiership. Basically we are to open and need a third DM and one less striker.

No body plays with 3 defensive midfielders

 

[vintiz]

He needs to stop playing 442 when we are away.

4-5-1 then ?
When we played the rags someone next to me asked if it was barca playing. Another guy replied 'barca in blue'

Things is this I think we are going to stick to one thing PRESS! PRESS!! PRESS!!! AND KEEP PRESSING

 

[BlueAnorak]

Need to drop a striker away from home and have another DM instead. Our defensive formation is just too wide open.

 

[City Raider]

it seems as if change during games and injuries affect us more than they should a title chasing squad eg aguero injury, nasri sub, navas sub at cardiff, kompany injury earlier etc - maybe this is his biggest challenge, buliding a squad that understands not only their own roles but others and what is expected of them when being asked to do something different - now this will take time

 

[samharris]

Wow..we are criticising the team selection...how many of you can honestly say that you didnt agree with the team selection yesterday??

It was 1 forced change from the team that raped the scum ffs..