Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 2)

[bernabias home shirt]

20 mins catching up with this thread and all I can say is im glad iv been busy as I would be staring at a very long ban right now had I been on!

Fuck me we have a couple of weapons posting on here at the moment.......

It's saddening. I would have liked for the arrival of a new manager to be a rallying point and the forum to be a bit less divided but it seems the opposite has happened and it has gotten even worse. It seems we can't discuss football without a sideline bitchfest.

A title winning manager was given a hell of lot worse abuse than this skas,not long into the season too
And off the very same posters who are now defending pellegrini.

 

[blueinsa]

20 mins catching up with this thread and all I can say is im glad iv been busy as I would be staring at a very long ban right now had I been on!

Fuck me we have a couple of weapons posting on here at the moment.......

It's saddening. I would have liked for the arrival of a new manager to be a rallying point and the forum to be a bit less divided but it seems the opposite has happened and it has gotten even worse. It seems we can't discuss football without a sideline bitchfest.

A title winning manager was given a hell of lot worse abuse than this skas,not long into the season too
And off the very same posters who are now defending pellegrini.

So this is all about revenge is it?

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

It's saddening. I would have liked for the arrival of a new manager to be a rallying point and the forum to be a bit less divided but it seems the opposite has happened and it has gotten even worse. It seems we can't discuss football without a sideline bitchfest.

A title winning manager was given a hell of lot worse abuse than this skas,not long into the season too
And off the very same posters who are now defending pellegrini.

So this is all about revenge is it?

No-Not at all.It is about our terrible terrible away form.That and only that is my huge concern.

 

[blueinsa]

A title winning manager was given a hell of lot worse abuse than this skas,not long into the season too
And off the very same posters who are now defending pellegrini.

So this is all about revenge is it?

No-Not at all.It is about our terrible terrible away form.That and only that is my huge concern.

Which carries on from last year and the one before that and the one before that and even when we had clueless in charge.

The guy has had 3 away games to sort it out and I for one will give him just a little more time to do so before getting all hysterical on here.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

If he wants to challenge in the PL he needs to re-think the balance between attack and defence. If we were anything like as solid at the back as we've been in previous years we'd be top by now. Wenger has recognised that a solid back four with enough goals is the right formula. The team with the best defence will win the title - it won't be about who scores the most goals. Looking ahead to Everton, I'd definitely play Lescott at CB to go against Lukaku.

Stan,
That is a far to accurate and sensible post for 'The Cabal' members (and also the junior / wannabee Cabal members) to understand or accept.
However, as Billy Shears has now stated it's not about 'winning' anymore. Thats not important. Its the way you play...
FFS! YCMIU.

Look at this post.

Just look at it. And look at it again.

Proper comedy. Bitter, insecure, obsessed...and with absolutely no content whatsoever apart from jibes. But not funny, pithy or meaningful jibes. The sort of jibes 14 year old boys throw at each other.

I mean look at it. An empty post written by an empty poster.

I wouldn't even give you a second glance in real life son.
You'd never enter my sphere of consciousness or social circle. You wouldnt go to the same places or socialise with the same people.Yet on here you follow me around like a little yapping dog looking for attention.

And then people wonder why the same arguments keep springing up. I mean look at that post above: 'are you still
Pining for Jose lol'.

Are you fucking 12 or do you just post like you are? My 13 year old nephew has more to his discussions than you, and I mean that sincerely.

How have I ended up with some daft little jerk off posting 'are you still pining for Jose' to get a rise all over the forum for a week?How did it come to this? You have to laugh I suppose, in the same way as when some camp little poodle barks at you in the park.

Bring back fucking Damocles or TMQ. At least they had something about them when they had a vendetta.

 

[George Hannah]

If he wants to challenge in the PL he needs to re-think the balance between attack and defence. If we were anything like as solid at the back as we've been in previous years we'd be top by now. Wenger has recognised that a solid back four with enough goals is the right formula. The team with the best defence will win the title - it won't be about who scores the most goals. Looking ahead to Everton, I'd definitely play Lescott at CB to go against Lukaku.

Stan,
That is a far to accurate and sensible post for 'The Cabal' members (and also the junior / wannabee Cabal members) to understand or accept.
However, as Billy Shears has now stated it's not about 'winning' anymore. Thats not important. Its the way you play...
FFS! YCMIU.

Look at this post.

Just look at it. And look at it again.

Proper comedy. Bitter, insecure, obsessed...and with absolutely no content whatsoever apart from jibes. But not funny, pithy or meaningful jibes. The sort of jibes 14 year old boys throw at each other.

I mean look at it. An empty post written by an empty poster.

I wouldn't even give you a second glance in real life son.
You'd never enter my sphere of consciousness or social circle. You wouldnt go to the same places or socialise with the same people.Yet on here you follow me around like a little yapping dog looking for attention.

And then people wonder why the same arguments keep springing up. I mean look at that post above: 'are you still
Pining for Jose lol'.

Are you fucking 12 or do you just post like you are? My 13 year old nephew has more to his discussions than you, and I mean that sincerely.

How have I ended up with some daft little jerk off posting 'are you still pining for Jose' to get a rise all over the forum for a week?How did it come to this? You have to laugh I suppose, in the same way as when some camp little poodle barks at you in the park.

Bring back fucking Damocles or TMQ. At least they had something about them when they had a vendetta.

Abuse doesn't disguise the brute facts, you''ll need more than a few stiffeners if we lose on Wednesday Dave. Your tide of excitement is on the ebb at the moment but let's all hope for a Pellegrini surge against Bayern. He needs it.

 

[Jimfv1]

The responsibility for this is with the players, they don't turn up when we are playing supposedly "lesser" sides.

We had a manager who tried to improve their mindset and he did up to a point, the players could win important games, ie games which they thought were the only ones they had to try in to win them. The problem was the previous coaches couldn't get the players going for the games against relegation threatened sides or newly promoted teams, and the team got the results they deserved in these games.

QPR away last year was an example of the team being on top same as the Villa game at weekend but certain players just thought a goal would come from the few who were trying to get the result. There are a few players in our squad who believe their own hype, score the odd goal and just think the goal will come from somewhere.

The previous manager and his team couldn't change this attitude and ran out of ideas on what to do. I think some players made mistakes in these games perhaps through a lack of concentration, or maybe because they were trying harder than a few of their teammates who were strolling through these games. Some players were unfairly criticised, others who should have been dropped or had rollickings just carried on as normal. It is no wonder tensions became high in the dressing room and little factions set up.

The people in charge had to change things before they got worse and it all came to a head in the FA cup final, yet again City lived up to their billing as "kings of the cup for cock ups" and managed to lose a game they should have easily won. Just like Villa, Cardiff, QPR away last year and there were numerous other games in which we managed to scrape draws despite being on top for long spells.

The fact that things had to be changed resulted in Mancini and the rest of the backroom staff being moved on, it was either that or get rid of the whole squad and start again. Mancini paid the price not of player power but of not being able to change the mind set of the players who think just turning up is enough to win games. Pellegrini is here now and is taking a different approach to altering the players attitudes. Hopefully he will get through to them. If reports are true then he has given them a few league games to see the problems, it would be interesting to know if he has ever seen such a talented squad of players with such arrogance and who shrug of responsibility when they don't feel like giving their all to win a match.

His method is to get to know the players and what makes them tick, if reports are true about the aftermath of the Villa game then it seems as though he now realises what the problem is. I don't think it is a Mancini v Pellegrini issue, the players aren't performing and have the quality to win the league if Pellegrini can get through to them. They know how they can play, and how to win things, Mancini saw to that, and for that we all respect what he did for the club, however some players then retreated into their comfort zones and a different tact is required to lift them to repeat previous successes. Already in certain games Toure and Nasri have improved, Nasri more so for me. Kolarov also looks a better player, but there still seem to be factions in the squad, and the above players do sometimes still go missing. We keep hearing that the team needs to defend as a whole, and that seems to have been forgotten yet again in the last few games. Too many players look at others when we concede, instead of asking themselves if they could have done more to prevent giving the ball away in the first place. The strikers aren't blameless in this either, and this is why even Pellegrini found it frustrating when Dzeko was sitting on the ground complaining when he thought he should have had a free kick. It has always annoyed me when play continues that a player will keep remonstrating with the ref whilst sat on his arse when he clearly isn't injured.

Now some of this is conjecture, but from reading between the lines on some reports and weighing it up with what I have seen on the pitch and on video I don't think it is too far from what is wrong with the squad. Pellegrini being slated on here won't change things, and he deserves a bit more time, the away form isn't good enough, and we have played away games that on paper at least were very winnable. Anyhow could be worse at least we have a squad which can win the league, our neighbours don't seem to have any more, and the competition is stronger than ever this season too.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Stan,
That is a far to accurate and sensible post for 'The Cabal' members (and also the junior / wannabee Cabal members) to understand or accept.
However, as Billy Shears has now stated it's not about 'winning' anymore. Thats not important. Its the way you play...
FFS! YCMIU.

Look at this post.

Just look at it. And look at it again.

Proper comedy. Bitter, insecure, obsessed...and with absolutely no content whatsoever apart from jibes. But not funny, pithy or meaningful jibes. The sort of jibes 14 year old boys throw at each other.

I mean look at it. An empty post written by an empty poster.

I wouldn't even give you a second glance in real life son.
You'd never enter my sphere of consciousness or social circle. You wouldnt go to the same places or socialise with the same people.Yet on here you follow me around like a little yapping dog looking for attention.

And then people wonder why the same arguments keep springing up. I mean look at that post above: 'are you still
Pining for Jose lol'.

Are you fucking 12 or do you just post like you are? My 13 year old nephew has more to his discussions than you, and I mean that sincerely.

How have I ended up with some daft little jerk off posting 'are you still pining for Jose' to get a rise all over the forum for a week?How did it come to this? You have to laugh I suppose, in the same way as when some camp little poodle barks at you in the park.

Bring back fucking Damocles or TMQ. At least they had something about them when they had a vendetta.

Abuse doesn't disguise the brute facts, you''ll need more than a few stiffeners if we lose on Wednesday Dave. Your tide of excitement is on the ebb at the moment but let's all hope for a Pellegrini surge against Bayern. He needs it.

A win would be fine and dandy on Wednesday, and I think we have a good chance. But if we don't win we move onto the next game and keep moving towards fulfilling our potential, bedding in our new players and getting used to our new style of play. To suggest Pellegrini 'needs it' suggests he's in danger of losing his job, which he isn't of course. He will be given his chance to make his mark just like the last two managers were. And if he looks like he hasn't got what it takes to take the club forward towards our ambitions he gets the chop, just like the last two did. I won't cry for him like I didn't cry for the last two.

And to be clear, I'm just as excited as I was about this team's abilities and potential. I still think we will win the league and make an impact in Europe. I'm not so daft as to base any opinion on one game, especially a freakish one like Sunday's.

I think we are going to have a great season.

 

[mancity1]

It's best summarised that most if not all of the people responsible for RM's tenure had decided it was time to move him on.

That doesn't mean his replacement will in time prove to be more successful as far as on field performances go but it does mean that those responsible for his selection would now be more accountable for their choice if he comes up short.

You should hope that every manager we have is given all the support he needs to be as successful as possible.

If a manager is reaching or exceeding his targets at City its all good news for everybody bar the few that want him to fail for whatever reason.

You can be assured that if MP fails to reach his targets those responsible for his recruitment will act accordingly and they themselves will have to bear the brunt of their decision to bring him on board in the first place.

Any comparison between the two is meaningless , subjective and won't change the way we perform from match to match and where we finish up this season.

I want him to succeed because that will mean many a good victory for us this season and as far as the premiership goes that starts with three points against Everton on Saturday.

There is no point discussing RM any further than that as far as the present and the future goes and he has moved on now.

The press will bring it up especially if things go sour for MP but I for one don't care about what the press think about us good bad or indifferent or whether they are justified in their spiel or not.

We have a new man in charge now and lets hope it goes well for him while he is at the helm as he will be under enough pressure from within if things continue as they have started for us away from home.

Whether I or any mooner think he is the right man to take us forward or not is irrelevant.

We will find out soon enough if he has the mettle and skill set to get the best out of what he has said is the best squad in the premiership.

 

[Joycee Banercheck]

Can I request a move out of the cabal, please?