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BobKowalski said:
The stats you present are interesting but not conclusive evidence that we are better defensively or in attack as you are only measuring quantum not quality.
Agreed. But it falls in line with having lost 1 game (at Cardiff) in which we deserved to lose. Villa looks an abberation to anyone who viewed it. It simply wouldn't happen again.
For example were the chances against us in 11/12 shots from distance and more in hope than expectation or we they clear opportunities on goal. Against Hull we presented them with 2 clear cut chances 1 was missed and 1 was disallowed. Ignoring the disallowed goal as you could argue our defence worked with the offside decision the chance that was missed was more worrying for us than say 3 shots from distance or blocked chances with the defence doing its job.
Again, while you are right about the sample size, these things often pan out. And I could go through each game from last year and differentiate between clear chances and long shots. But I believe the stats so far will still stay the same.

Again with fouls. Two deliberate fouls on the halfway line to prevent a dangerous attack developing ala Barry is preferable to conceding a foul just outside the box. Even with tackles you can argue this is not a good sign as it implies we are needing to win the ball back having lost control of it compared to previous seasons.
We could access the stats on freekicks conceded within shooting range too. I bet it would likely show the same thing. That we give up less now than in either of the 2 previous seasons, or about the same.

I agree that the sample size is too small to draw conclusions (even though you do conclude "we are a more cohesive team now, better at defending, and attacking, than we were in either 2011 or 2012") as you have to also factor in quality of opposition, playing conditions, natural wear and tear as the season progresses, fatigue etc all of which take a toll as the season progresses and lead to dips in performance and impact on stats.[/quote

Agreed. The sample size is small, and my conclusions are really my opinion from watching us now, and watching us during the last 2 season. We are just playing better now. We were very good to begin the winning season, but we slowly tappered off perfomance wise. We then finished the season strong by winning out. But the perfomances after the early blistering pace, was really more lukewarm than anything else. And last season was lukewarm from beginning to the end with a few good team performances here and there. Right now I have seen 4 very good team performances, 2 average perfomance, 1 poor performacne and 1 bizarre performance. This is not enough to draw any conclusions, but the signs look good, and not bad in my opinion.
 
waspish said:
I'll judge our away form after we have played another 6 away games...

We will have to win at least 4 of them to be on track where we were last season.

A big ask that is beyond us imo considering who we have.
 
mancity1 said:
waspish said:
I'll judge our away form after we have played another 6 away games...

We will have to win at least 4 of them to be on track where we were last season.

A big ask that is beyond us imo considering who we have.


Yep but with league how it is we might get away with 3 wins 2 draws 1 loss
 
waspish said:
mancity1 said:
waspish said:
I'll judge our away form after we have played another 6 away games...

We will have to win at least 4 of them to be on track where we were last season.

A big ask that is beyond us imo considering who we have.


Yep but with league how it is we might get away with 3 wins 2 draws 1 loss
That would amount to W3 D3 L3 or 12/27pts and way off the pace for the title let alone top four.
 
Michael Cox has it 100% spot on here, IMO - most of City's problems are mentality-related and has been the same for quite a while now.

This season, more than any other in recent memory, has demonstrated how the consensus about a particular side's predicament can change astonishingly quickly.

Arsenal were in crisis after the Aston Villa defeat, now are in dreamland five games later. Chelsea seemed to have returned to their ruthless ways following Jose Mourinho's return, then went three matches without a win. Liverpool were cool, calm and clinical after four matches, then lost at home to Southampton completely unexpectedly.

The fortnight of Manchester City's season sums it up nicely: the 4-1 victory over Manchester United was a staggeringly dominant display that announced Manuel Pellegrini's arrival in English football. It was City's first major contest this season, and the margin of victory could have been significantly greater.

That seemed to suggest the 3-2 defeat to Cardiff was something of an anomaly -- but City then followed the Manchester derby victory with another inexplicable 3-2 reverse, this time away at Aston Villa. Now, City have combined three dominant home performances (4-0, 2-0, 4-1) with three underwhelming away displays (2-3, 0-0, 2-3) in the Premier League.

It's tempting to ponder why City's record at Eastlands is so contrasting with their performances on the road, but this remains a relatively small sample side. Besides, the performances at both Cardiff and Aston Villa were not particularly bad -- the display at Stoke, despite the point earned, was arguably worse.
Nevertheless, the Villa defeat seems serious.

As Simon Curtis, ESPNFC's Manchester City blogger put it: "How could a team in such full and enthusiastic control of a match complete it on the wrong end of a 3-2 score line against a team that started the game frightened, became gradually hypnotised and then ended it in exuberant and surprised waves of ole-accompanied calypso football?"

Let's be clear: Manchester City's overall strategy is not the problem. City are controlling games, averaging a higher average possession count than any other side in the league. That's not an end in itself, but it's what Pellegrini wants from his side -- control.

On that note, City's possession share away from home is 65%, significantly greater than their possession share at the Etihad, which is just 54%. This owes a lot to circumstance: Pellegrini's side have won their home matches relatively early, and have eased off and allowed the opposition the ball. When City want to dominate, they can.

The problem seems to be a lack of concentration and organisation. At Cardiff, City lost primarily because of two concessions at corner kicks, which Pellegrini was extremely unhappy about. "Two corners decided the score," he complained. "Very disappointing -- it was just a moment of distraction and Cardiff scored their goals." He believed City should have won the game, and added that "the worst thing" was that City had gone ahead, but still lost.

It's hardly uncommon for managers to offer their side praise in defeat, but Pellegrini's attitude was understandable; City had dominated, the defeat came down to small factors. Worryingly, however, the defeat at Villa Park on Saturday was similar. City were dominating and were ahead, but then had a terrible five minutes, and threw the game away.

Lapses in concentration cost Manchester City dearly in their loss at Cardiff.

"We did all we could to win the game, we played well and then in five minutes, we lost it," Pellegrini fumed. "It's incredible the way we lost this game. It's hard to take... we played well and deserved another goal," he continued. "It's very difficult to explain football -- we controlled the ball."

You can argue with the specific tactical features of Pellegrini's gameplan -- in particular, using Alvaro Negredo and Edin Dzeko, two number nines together, was unwise against a side deploying three-man central defence, who must have been delighted to face a couple of static target men, rather than players capable of stretching them. Nevertheless, City scored twice.

"We felt confident we were going to win the game but three [Villa] chances, three goals -- I think that sums the game up," complained captain Vincent Kompany. "We have to pick ourselves up and make sure next game we don't make the [same] mistakes."

While Pellegrini was widely expected to revolutionise City's playing style, perhaps his bigger task is improving the mental side of his side's approach. There's still a frailty and a lack of professionalism at times -- City possess outstanding individuals, particularly offensively, but such expensively-assembled squads also need dependable individuals and proper leaders. Theoretically, City shouldn't be short of that: Vincent Kompany and Pablo Zabaleta are both classic examples.

Kompany, however, feels rather less consistent than he should be -- at his peak he's one of the finest central defenders in Europe and his approach towards the game is ultra-professional. But his 2012-13 was poor and he makes more individual errors than necessary. In combination with Joe Hart's poor form, City seem uncertain at the back.

It would be unfair to suggest the victory over United was a false dawn, but since the summer of 2010, when City's signings indicated they had become proper title contenders, they have consistently outperformed United strategically. They've destroyed them twice: in last week's 4-1 and the famous 1-6 at Old Trafford. They've won the highest-profile meetings 1-0 -- in 2010-11's FA Cup semi-final and 2011-12's effective title decider. When United were on course for the title last year, City still won 2-1 at Old Trafford.

Even in the defeats, City have often played better football: they switched off at half-time in the 2011 Community Shield match, losing 3-2 after having been 2-0 up at half-time. They lost 3-2 in that season's FA Cup tie -- but having lost Kompany early on, and been forced to play with ten men for 80 minutes, they arguably came out looking better. They lost 3-2 yet again last year because of Samir Nasri's poor attempt at blocking Robin van Persie's free-kick.

To generalise, City have generally outperformed Manchester United, occasionally appearing significantly superior to their city rivals. But they've let themselves down with the small details, a problem that continues to haunt them.

To put it another way, if City can thrash Manchester United, why are they incapable of playing similarly against significantly weaker opposition? Roberto Mancini can boast that he consistently got the better of Sir Alex Ferguson in a tactical sense, in meetings when the league table would suggest the sides were evenly matched.

But was Mancini getting things right in those matches, or were the Manchester derby performances City's 'true' level, and they fell down elsewhere because of sloppiness? Player for player, City have been the strongest XI in the Premier League for the past couple of seasons and on paper, their victories against United shouldn't have been a surprise.

A manager's impact at a new club is increasingly considered in terms of 'philosophy', which is taken to mean on-pitch playing style. However, Pellegrini's major impact at City must be in terms of discipline, concentration and dependability. Mancini struggled with those concepts, partly because of troublemakers like Carlos Tevez and Mario Balotelli. Pellegrini has a more professional, resilient squad, and City shouldn't be liable to moments of poor concentration.
 
LoveCity said:
Michael Cox has it 100% spot on here, IMO - most of City's problems are mentality-related and has been the same for quite a while now.

This season, more than any other in recent memory, has demonstrated how the consensus about a particular side's predicament can change astonishingly quickly.

Arsenal were in crisis after the Aston Villa defeat, now are in dreamland five games later. Chelsea seemed to have returned to their ruthless ways following Jose Mourinho's return, then went three matches without a win. Liverpool were cool, calm and clinical after four matches, then lost at home to Southampton completely unexpectedly.

The fortnight of Manchester City's season sums it up nicely: the 4-1 victory over Manchester United was a staggeringly dominant display that announced Manuel Pellegrini's arrival in English football. It was City's first major contest this season, and the margin of victory could have been significantly greater.

That seemed to suggest the 3-2 defeat to Cardiff was something of an anomaly -- but City then followed the Manchester derby victory with another inexplicable 3-2 reverse, this time away at Aston Villa. Now, City have combined three dominant home performances (4-0, 2-0, 4-1) with three underwhelming away displays (2-3, 0-0, 2-3) in the Premier League.

It's tempting to ponder why City's record at Eastlands is so contrasting with their performances on the road, but this remains a relatively small sample side. Besides, the performances at both Cardiff and Aston Villa were not particularly bad -- the display at Stoke, despite the point earned, was arguably worse.
Nevertheless, the Villa defeat seems serious.

As Simon Curtis, ESPNFC's Manchester City blogger put it: "How could a team in such full and enthusiastic control of a match complete it on the wrong end of a 3-2 score line against a team that started the game frightened, became gradually hypnotised and then ended it in exuberant and surprised waves of ole-accompanied calypso football?"

Let's be clear: Manchester City's overall strategy is not the problem. City are controlling games, averaging a higher average possession count than any other side in the league. That's not an end in itself, but it's what Pellegrini wants from his side -- control.

On that note, City's possession share away from home is 65%, significantly greater than their possession share at the Etihad, which is just 54%. This owes a lot to circumstance: Pellegrini's side have won their home matches relatively early, and have eased off and allowed the opposition the ball. When City want to dominate, they can.

The problem seems to be a lack of concentration and organisation. At Cardiff, City lost primarily because of two concessions at corner kicks, which Pellegrini was extremely unhappy about. "Two corners decided the score," he complained. "Very disappointing -- it was just a moment of distraction and Cardiff scored their goals." He believed City should have won the game, and added that "the worst thing" was that City had gone ahead, but still lost.

It's hardly uncommon for managers to offer their side praise in defeat, but Pellegrini's attitude was understandable; City had dominated, the defeat came down to small factors. Worryingly, however, the defeat at Villa Park on Saturday was similar. City were dominating and were ahead, but then had a terrible five minutes, and threw the game away.

Lapses in concentration cost Manchester City dearly in their loss at Cardiff.

"We did all we could to win the game, we played well and then in five minutes, we lost it," Pellegrini fumed. "It's incredible the way we lost this game. It's hard to take... we played well and deserved another goal," he continued. "It's very difficult to explain football -- we controlled the ball."

You can argue with the specific tactical features of Pellegrini's gameplan -- in particular, using Alvaro Negredo and Edin Dzeko, two number nines together, was unwise against a side deploying three-man central defence, who must have been delighted to face a couple of static target men, rather than players capable of stretching them. Nevertheless, City scored twice.

"We felt confident we were going to win the game but three [Villa] chances, three goals -- I think that sums the game up," complained captain Vincent Kompany. "We have to pick ourselves up and make sure next game we don't make the [same] mistakes."

While Pellegrini was widely expected to revolutionise City's playing style, perhaps his bigger task is improving the mental side of his side's approach. There's still a frailty and a lack of professionalism at times -- City possess outstanding individuals, particularly offensively, but such expensively-assembled squads also need dependable individuals and proper leaders. Theoretically, City shouldn't be short of that: Vincent Kompany and Pablo Zabaleta are both classic examples.

Kompany, however, feels rather less consistent than he should be -- at his peak he's one of the finest central defenders in Europe and his approach towards the game is ultra-professional. But his 2012-13 was poor and he makes more individual errors than necessary. In combination with Joe Hart's poor form, City seem uncertain at the back.

It would be unfair to suggest the victory over United was a false dawn, but since the summer of 2010, when City's signings indicated they had become proper title contenders, they have consistently outperformed United strategically. They've destroyed them twice: in last week's 4-1 and the famous 1-6 at Old Trafford. They've won the highest-profile meetings 1-0 -- in 2010-11's FA Cup semi-final and 2011-12's effective title decider. When United were on course for the title last year, City still won 2-1 at Old Trafford.

Even in the defeats, City have often played better football: they switched off at half-time in the 2011 Community Shield match, losing 3-2 after having been 2-0 up at half-time. They lost 3-2 in that season's FA Cup tie -- but having lost Kompany early on, and been forced to play with ten men for 80 minutes, they arguably came out looking better. They lost 3-2 yet again last year because of Samir Nasri's poor attempt at blocking Robin van Persie's free-kick.

To generalise, City have generally outperformed Manchester United, occasionally appearing significantly superior to their city rivals. But they've let themselves down with the small details, a problem that continues to haunt them.

To put it another way, if City can thrash Manchester United, why are they incapable of playing similarly against significantly weaker opposition? Roberto Mancini can boast that he consistently got the better of Sir Alex Ferguson in a tactical sense, in meetings when the league table would suggest the sides were evenly matched.

But was Mancini getting things right in those matches, or were the Manchester derby performances City's 'true' level, and they fell down elsewhere because of sloppiness? Player for player, City have been the strongest XI in the Premier League for the past couple of seasons and on paper, their victories against United shouldn't have been a surprise.

A manager's impact at a new club is increasingly considered in terms of 'philosophy', which is taken to mean on-pitch playing style. However, Pellegrini's major impact at City must be in terms of discipline, concentration and dependability. Mancini struggled with those concepts, partly because of troublemakers like Carlos Tevez and Mario Balotelli. Pellegrini has a more professional, resilient squad, and City shouldn't be liable to moments of poor concentration.
Good article that. It also concludes with the reason I am feeling very confident: the problems we have showed in short spells are easily rectifiable by a good manager.
 
LoveCity said:
Michael Cox has it 100% spot on here, IMO - most of City's problems are mentality-related and has been the same for quite a while now.

This season, more than any other in recent memory, has demonstrated how the consensus about a particular side's predicament can change astonishingly quickly.

Arsenal were in crisis after the Aston Villa defeat, now are in dreamland five games later. Chelsea seemed to have returned to their ruthless ways following Jose Mourinho's return, then went three matches without a win. Liverpool were cool, calm and clinical after four matches, then lost at home to Southampton completely unexpectedly.

The fortnight of Manchester City's season sums it up nicely: the 4-1 victory over Manchester United was a staggeringly dominant display that announced Manuel Pellegrini's arrival in English football. It was City's first major contest this season, and the margin of victory could have been significantly greater.

That seemed to suggest the 3-2 defeat to Cardiff was something of an anomaly -- but City then followed the Manchester derby victory with another inexplicable 3-2 reverse, this time away at Aston Villa. Now, City have combined three dominant home performances (4-0, 2-0, 4-1) with three underwhelming away displays (2-3, 0-0, 2-3) in the Premier League.

It's tempting to ponder why City's record at Eastlands is so contrasting with their performances on the road, but this remains a relatively small sample side. Besides, the performances at both Cardiff and Aston Villa were not particularly bad -- the display at Stoke, despite the point earned, was arguably worse.
Nevertheless, the Villa defeat seems serious.

As Simon Curtis, ESPNFC's Manchester City blogger put it: "How could a team in such full and enthusiastic control of a match complete it on the wrong end of a 3-2 score line against a team that started the game frightened, became gradually hypnotised and then ended it in exuberant and surprised waves of ole-accompanied calypso football?"

Let's be clear: Manchester City's overall strategy is not the problem. City are controlling games, averaging a higher average possession count than any other side in the league. That's not an end in itself, but it's what Pellegrini wants from his side -- control.

On that note, City's possession share away from home is 65%, significantly greater than their possession share at the Etihad, which is just 54%. This owes a lot to circumstance: Pellegrini's side have won their home matches relatively early, and have eased off and allowed the opposition the ball. When City want to dominate, they can.

The problem seems to be a lack of concentration and organisation. At Cardiff, City lost primarily because of two concessions at corner kicks, which Pellegrini was extremely unhappy about. "Two corners decided the score," he complained. "Very disappointing -- it was just a moment of distraction and Cardiff scored their goals." He believed City should have won the game, and added that "the worst thing" was that City had gone ahead, but still lost.

It's hardly uncommon for managers to offer their side praise in defeat, but Pellegrini's attitude was understandable; City had dominated, the defeat came down to small factors. Worryingly, however, the defeat at Villa Park on Saturday was similar. City were dominating and were ahead, but then had a terrible five minutes, and threw the game away.

Lapses in concentration cost Manchester City dearly in their loss at Cardiff.

"We did all we could to win the game, we played well and then in five minutes, we lost it," Pellegrini fumed. "It's incredible the way we lost this game. It's hard to take... we played well and deserved another goal," he continued. "It's very difficult to explain football -- we controlled the ball."

You can argue with the specific tactical features of Pellegrini's gameplan -- in particular, using Alvaro Negredo and Edin Dzeko, two number nines together, was unwise against a side deploying three-man central defence, who must have been delighted to face a couple of static target men, rather than players capable of stretching them. Nevertheless, City scored twice.

"We felt confident we were going to win the game but three [Villa] chances, three goals -- I think that sums the game up," complained captain Vincent Kompany. "We have to pick ourselves up and make sure next game we don't make the [same] mistakes."

While Pellegrini was widely expected to revolutionise City's playing style, perhaps his bigger task is improving the mental side of his side's approach. There's still a frailty and a lack of professionalism at times -- City possess outstanding individuals, particularly offensively, but such expensively-assembled squads also need dependable individuals and proper leaders. Theoretically, City shouldn't be short of that: Vincent Kompany and Pablo Zabaleta are both classic examples.

Kompany, however, feels rather less consistent than he should be -- at his peak he's one of the finest central defenders in Europe and his approach towards the game is ultra-professional. But his 2012-13 was poor and he makes more individual errors than necessary. In combination with Joe Hart's poor form, City seem uncertain at the back.

It would be unfair to suggest the victory over United was a false dawn, but since the summer of 2010, when City's signings indicated they had become proper title contenders, they have consistently outperformed United strategically. They've destroyed them twice: in last week's 4-1 and the famous 1-6 at Old Trafford. They've won the highest-profile meetings 1-0 -- in 2010-11's FA Cup semi-final and 2011-12's effective title decider. When United were on course for the title last year, City still won 2-1 at Old Trafford.

Even in the defeats, City have often played better football: they switched off at half-time in the 2011 Community Shield match, losing 3-2 after having been 2-0 up at half-time. They lost 3-2 in that season's FA Cup tie -- but having lost Kompany early on, and been forced to play with ten men for 80 minutes, they arguably came out looking better. They lost 3-2 yet again last year because of Samir Nasri's poor attempt at blocking Robin van Persie's free-kick.

To generalise, City have generally outperformed Manchester United, occasionally appearing significantly superior to their city rivals. But they've let themselves down with the small details, a problem that continues to haunt them.

To put it another way, if City can thrash Manchester United, why are they incapable of playing similarly against significantly weaker opposition? Roberto Mancini can boast that he consistently got the better of Sir Alex Ferguson in a tactical sense, in meetings when the league table would suggest the sides were evenly matched.

But was Mancini getting things right in those matches, or were the Manchester derby performances City's 'true' level, and they fell down elsewhere because of sloppiness? Player for player, City have been the strongest XI in the Premier League for the past couple of seasons and on paper, their victories against United shouldn't have been a surprise.

A manager's impact at a new club is increasingly considered in terms of 'philosophy', which is taken to mean on-pitch playing style. However, Pellegrini's major impact at City must be in terms of discipline, concentration and dependability. Mancini struggled with those concepts, partly because of troublemakers like Carlos Tevez and Mario Balotelli. Pellegrini has a more professional, resilient squad, and City shouldn't be liable to moments of poor concentration.

Its always comes back to mentality. I said after Villa that the issue is mentality. To win things we had to change our mentality which we did. The challenge now is to maintain that mentality; a mentality that started to edge out of the door at the back end of last season and went missing the week of the Cup Final and has not been seen since.

We need to get back that ability to win consecutive games or at at least not lose and grind it out when necessary and dispatch teams on a regular basis. We used to be a difficult side to beat even if we were not winning and taking the lead used to mean game over. Currently we are not a difficult side to beat. Under Hughes we leaked goals and we said we needed better defenders. What we actually needed was to be taught how to concentrate for 90+ minutes and not get beat. We are now back to leaking soft goals and not concentrating for 90+ minutes. Even in the derby we switched off for the last 30 minutes and allowed them to get something out of the game. We should have crushed them and then reversed over the fucking corpse. We didn't. We are soft right down the centre and in the head. Pellers only mission is to drum back into this team the lessons they seemed to have forgotten. Get that sorted and the rest will follow.
 
LoveCity said:
Michael Cox has it 100% spot on here, IMO - most of City's problems are mentality-related and has been the same for quite a while now.

This season, more than any other in recent memory, has demonstrated how the consensus about a particular side's predicament can change astonishingly quickly.

Arsenal were in crisis after the Aston Villa defeat, now are in dreamland five games later. Chelsea seemed to have returned to their ruthless ways following Jose Mourinho's return, then went three matches without a win. Liverpool were cool, calm and clinical after four matches, then lost at home to Southampton completely unexpectedly.

The fortnight of Manchester City's season sums it up nicely: the 4-1 victory over Manchester United was a staggeringly dominant display that announced Manuel Pellegrini's arrival in English football. It was City's first major contest this season, and the margin of victory could have been significantly greater.

That seemed to suggest the 3-2 defeat to Cardiff was something of an anomaly -- but City then followed the Manchester derby victory with another inexplicable 3-2 reverse, this time away at Aston Villa. Now, City have combined three dominant home performances (4-0, 2-0, 4-1) with three underwhelming away displays (2-3, 0-0, 2-3) in the Premier League.

It's tempting to ponder why City's record at Eastlands is so contrasting with their performances on the road, but this remains a relatively small sample side. Besides, the performances at both Cardiff and Aston Villa were not particularly bad -- the display at Stoke, despite the point earned, was arguably worse.
Nevertheless, the Villa defeat seems serious.

As Simon Curtis, ESPNFC's Manchester City blogger put it: "How could a team in such full and enthusiastic control of a match complete it on the wrong end of a 3-2 score line against a team that started the game frightened, became gradually hypnotised and then ended it in exuberant and surprised waves of ole-accompanied calypso football?"

Let's be clear: Manchester City's overall strategy is not the problem. City are controlling games, averaging a higher average possession count than any other side in the league. That's not an end in itself, but it's what Pellegrini wants from his side -- control.

On that note, City's possession share away from home is 65%, significantly greater than their possession share at the Etihad, which is just 54%. This owes a lot to circumstance: Pellegrini's side have won their home matches relatively early, and have eased off and allowed the opposition the ball. When City want to dominate, they can.

The problem seems to be a lack of concentration and organisation. At Cardiff, City lost primarily because of two concessions at corner kicks, which Pellegrini was extremely unhappy about. "Two corners decided the score," he complained. "Very disappointing -- it was just a moment of distraction and Cardiff scored their goals." He believed City should have won the game, and added that "the worst thing" was that City had gone ahead, but still lost.

It's hardly uncommon for managers to offer their side praise in defeat, but Pellegrini's attitude was understandable; City had dominated, the defeat came down to small factors. Worryingly, however, the defeat at Villa Park on Saturday was similar. City were dominating and were ahead, but then had a terrible five minutes, and threw the game away.

Lapses in concentration cost Manchester City dearly in their loss at Cardiff.

"We did all we could to win the game, we played well and then in five minutes, we lost it," Pellegrini fumed. "It's incredible the way we lost this game. It's hard to take... we played well and deserved another goal," he continued. "It's very difficult to explain football -- we controlled the ball."

You can argue with the specific tactical features of Pellegrini's gameplan -- in particular, using Alvaro Negredo and Edin Dzeko, two number nines together, was unwise against a side deploying three-man central defence, who must have been delighted to face a couple of static target men, rather than players capable of stretching them. Nevertheless, City scored twice.

"We felt confident we were going to win the game but three [Villa] chances, three goals -- I think that sums the game up," complained captain Vincent Kompany. "We have to pick ourselves up and make sure next game we don't make the [same] mistakes."

While Pellegrini was widely expected to revolutionise City's playing style, perhaps his bigger task is improving the mental side of his side's approach. There's still a frailty and a lack of professionalism at times -- City possess outstanding individuals, particularly offensively, but such expensively-assembled squads also need dependable individuals and proper leaders. Theoretically, City shouldn't be short of that: Vincent Kompany and Pablo Zabaleta are both classic examples.

Kompany, however, feels rather less consistent than he should be -- at his peak he's one of the finest central defenders in Europe and his approach towards the game is ultra-professional. But his 2012-13 was poor and he makes more individual errors than necessary. In combination with Joe Hart's poor form, City seem uncertain at the back.

It would be unfair to suggest the victory over United was a false dawn, but since the summer of 2010, when City's signings indicated they had become proper title contenders, they have consistently outperformed United strategically. They've destroyed them twice: in last week's 4-1 and the famous 1-6 at Old Trafford. They've won the highest-profile meetings 1-0 -- in 2010-11's FA Cup semi-final and 2011-12's effective title decider. When United were on course for the title last year, City still won 2-1 at Old Trafford.

Even in the defeats, City have often played better football: they switched off at half-time in the 2011 Community Shield match, losing 3-2 after having been 2-0 up at half-time. They lost 3-2 in that season's FA Cup tie -- but having lost Kompany early on, and been forced to play with ten men for 80 minutes, they arguably came out looking better. They lost 3-2 yet again last year because of Samir Nasri's poor attempt at blocking Robin van Persie's free-kick.

To generalise, City have generally outperformed Manchester United, occasionally appearing significantly superior to their city rivals. But they've let themselves down with the small details, a problem that continues to haunt them.

To put it another way, if City can thrash Manchester United, why are they incapable of playing similarly against significantly weaker opposition? Roberto Mancini can boast that he consistently got the better of Sir Alex Ferguson in a tactical sense, in meetings when the league table would suggest the sides were evenly matched.

But was Mancini getting things right in those matches, or were the Manchester derby performances City's 'true' level, and they fell down elsewhere because of sloppiness? Player for player, City have been the strongest XI in the Premier League for the past couple of seasons and on paper, their victories against United shouldn't have been a surprise.

A manager's impact at a new club is increasingly considered in terms of 'philosophy', which is taken to mean on-pitch playing style. However, Pellegrini's major impact at City must be in terms of discipline, concentration and dependability. Mancini struggled with those concepts, partly because of troublemakers like Carlos Tevez and Mario Balotelli. Pellegrini has a more professional, resilient squad, and City shouldn't be liable to moments of poor concentration.


The mentality is all in out defence how can nasty and Kompany play so well at home against the rags and then so poorly against villa? I reckon they see all the dominance by the players in front off them also all the chances that go begging and think here we go again and that's when the mistakes start miss tackles miss judging the flight of the ball and so on, go 2 goals clear and its a different team more settled, that's how the defence should play always like we are 2-0 up
 
This Michael Cox article is basically just what a few of the posters on here have been saying, and is also the reason we have changed managers, to try to get through to the players that they have to be "switched on" throughout the whole game. Even though the finger can be pointed at Hart and Vinny, I actually think that the more culpable players are Yaya, Nasri and Dzeko. When the ball is lost through a misplaced pass or an interception or (especially in our case) either a poorly executed corner or an attack which breaks down, then some players switch off until possession is regained.

When this changes then the away form will improve.
 
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