Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 2)

[Falastur]

What are the options should this continue though? Mourinho and Pep were the ones we let go for this bloke. Would our owners ever swallow their pride and take Bobby back like Roman did Jose? I dont see much else out there atm.

I don't think we let Mourinho go, I think he only ever had eyes for Chelsea. Even if we'd made an offer for him - and I don't think we did - I think he was so set on returning there that he would've rejected us. Now that he's managed Chelsea on two separate occasions and not managed any other English club, I think he may have tied himself in there to the point where out of loyalty he would never agree to go to another English team. Maybe if it all goes spectacularly sour at Chelsea - I don't just mean Roman sacks him for not winning the league, I mean they have an epic meltdown of personalities and the fans turn on him too - he might consider it to spite them, but unless that happens, I think Jose considers himself to be a one-team man in England. Probably not anywhere else, but in England yes.

 

[mancity1]

What are the options should this continue though? Mourinho and Pep were the ones we let go for this bloke. Would our owners ever swallow their pride and take Bobby back like Roman did Jose? I dont see much else out there atm.

RM will never manage City again even if it was the only job open to him , not while we have our DOF and CEO as is and I dare say not even after they have gone.

There is always someone out there that will make a good fist out of any job all we have to do is find him and who knows the one we currently have may turn out to be that guy despite a slow stuttering start.

 

[Danamy]

I'll ask again.

Once the system is fully implemented and all the players know it like the back of their hands, how will this change us being outnumbered in midfield?

The problem Vs Bayern wasn't that we didn't play our system very well, it was that the system itself didn't work against how Bayern were lined up.

I fail to see how 6/12 months will change things so that our 2 man midfield will suddenly start battering 3/4 men midfields. Ferguson was still making this mistake in his 20th year or so, CL wise at least.

I'm not slagging MP, I have no real feelings either way at this stage.

I don't expect the system to be perfect after a few games.

I do expect a manager to be able to change things in game though to prevent us being over run.

No shame in losing to a side like Bayern but the fact we didn't even get in the game until 70 odd mins is unforgivable.

This is where i also get stumped and end up scratching my head.

There's no set system, any manager should be flexible enough to change the system to match or counteract the opposition, horses for courses.

I'm baffled and currently feel cheated at the moment, MP is better than what our current form is reflecting, i'm confident he'll turn it around.

 

[Ducado]

I dont know. Not really convinced by him now.
Against Bayern we really received a football lesson. We were outplayed completely, could not play 2 consecutive passes.

What I did not like in that game is first his lethargic behaviour during the first half. He just sat there and looked how we were dominated, without even trying to push the players, to yell at them, to do something.

Then in the 2nd half, when we played few minutes a little better and the game began to slip away, he also did not do nothing. Just watched the game from a VIP-position.

After Clichy made that scholar error, he should have gone mad on him. But instead he teakes Dzeko and brings in Negredo. And here I went mad.
That substitute is so typical City. It is not because of Dzeko, he had not done anything. Not his fault, it was the midfield, where we were lacking manpower, Fernandino was invisible the whole game. Had he brought in Silva, Milner or some other midfielder for Dzeko, that would be ok.

But so, in City it seems, a Striker has to be substituted if he does not score, no matter what the reasons are. Mancini did that, and now Pele does it. Dzeko and Aguero both were invisible (so was also Negredo until 6 changes were done), and thet was not their fault.

And Pele should have known, that Bayern are a better team than us. He should never had started this game with two strikers.
Although, when I heard that so far, he managed to get only one draw out of 9 games against Pep, than it was also understandable.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope Pele will still change something to the better. But so far I do not see any improvements in our game.

There was this first 35min against AC Milan, there was that Newcastle games. But that was all, as far as I can remember.
And additionally, to lose those games against Cardiff and Aston Villa, where we were in front, that's all due to bad management imo.

United or does that not count?

 

[st. blue]

I've posted a couple of times in this thread but when reading what I've written I haven't actually managed to get across what I really feel about what Manuel did or didn't do on Weds. However, the one thought I was really trying to get across has finally crystallised in my mind...

Coming out for the second half and with no changes to personnel or tactics our players looked beaten :(

That, above all else, is what disappoints me most. The players must have gone in completely dejected at what was going on. Manuel should have at least done something to convince them that they had a chance in the game.

To be fair, we came out and forced a succession of corners with the same system & personnel. The first time we'd put Bayern under any type of pressure but pretty soon they scored a second- players heads go down again.

FWIW I agree the change to a 5 man midfield should have come at half time. Mancini had no qualms about making changes as and when, remember Johnson coming off in the first half?

Some coaches always seem to wait for 60 or 70 mins before making a change.

 

[cibaman]

Although I'm reserving judgement on MP, none of my reservations have anything to do with his touchline demeanour.

I have never been impressed by managers jumping about on the touchline, even Mancini of whom I was/am a big fan. I often used to think that he'd better if he'd calmed down, sat in the dug out and thought about what was needed to be done. The problem with MP was that he did the thinking without taking the action.

 

[Happy Feet]

Lets be honest the fans are never going to be cheering his name Tolmie, he hasnt got the character or personality to get that. He is boring and appears uninspiring to us and from what i see so far to the squad as well. I have seen several managers in my time and follow City home and away and i have a bad feeling about this one as i did with Coppell etc. Everyone around me even drunk halfwits were saying we needed a man in midfield after 10 minutes gone. It was shocking management there is no getting away from it. And the Cardiff, Stoke, Villa away trips were abysmal too. Ill give him time i wont boo i never have but i dont see this ending well.

We need a winner, this guy isnt.

Fuck me could you imagine if we had got Pep? Was extremely jealous to see him in the opposition dugout on Wednesday. What a manager he is. Worth waiting 2 years for.

Whilst I agree that Pep is worth waiting for, and I believe we will, to compare Pellegrini to Coppell is taking this whole character assassination a little too far?

What character and personality did Mancini have? He is the coldest fish you would ever have the misfortune to meet.

It's not about chanting his name from minute one, that invariably comes when you put something tangible on the sideboard.

What audible support did you ever hear for Ferguson or Wenger.

In actual fact, it wasn't that long ago the South Stand disgraced themselves by screaming at Mancini, 'you don't know what your doing' because he subbed Bellamy against Birmingham.

He was bang on that day. Most on here will know I did not hold Mancini in the same affection as most did, but that was another example of sheep getting carried away, and exerting unnecessary pressure at the time.

There seems to be plenty of revisionism going on here of late. I never heard any affection towards Mark Hughes, at any time during his tenure.

Our fans have been the major influence in getting rid of managers over the last 30 years, albeit, Swales was more than complicit, but a convenient scapegoat all the same.

Pellegrini just needs to get on with the job and we need to let him.

Just as Mancini was allowed to.

It'll come good, it has to.

Why does it have to come good under him ?

 

[stony]

United or does that not count?

It's often said that a bad result can be an anomaly. So far, it's the Utd result that is the anomaly. We've been fucking terrible.

 

[OB1]

And another thing. There is thread on here taking the piss out of Pellers and lookalikes. And yeah its funny although no one has mentioned Burt out of 'Soap' but we are taking the piss out of the guy. Think about it and what it tells you about Pellers.

It tells you more about the people doing it.

 

[BobKowalski]

Lets be honest the fans are never going to be cheering his name Tolmie, he hasnt got the character or personality to get that. He is boring and appears uninspiring to us and from what i see so far to the squad as well. I have seen several managers in my time and follow City home and away and i have a bad feeling about this one as i did with Coppell etc. Everyone around me even drunk halfwits were saying we needed a man in midfield after 10 minutes gone. It was shocking management there is no getting away from it. And the Cardiff, Stoke, Villa away trips were abysmal too. Ill give him time i wont boo i never have but i dont see this ending well.

We need a winner, this guy isnt.

Fuck me could you imagine if we had got Pep? Was extremely jealous to see him in the opposition dugout on Wednesday. What a manager he is. Worth waiting 2 years for.

Whilst I agree that Pep is worth waiting for, and I believe we will, to compare Pellegrini to Coppell is taking this whole character assassination a little too far?

What character and personality did Mancini have? He is the coldest fish you would ever have the misfortune to meet.

It's not about chanting his name from minute one, that invariably comes when you put something tangible on the sideboard.

What audible support did you ever hear for Ferguson or Wenger.

In actual fact, it wasn't that long ago the South Stand disgraced themselves by screaming at Mancini, 'you don't know what your doing' because he subbed Bellamy against Birmingham.

He was bang on that day. Most on here will know I did not hold Mancini in the same affection as most did, but that was another example of sheep getting carried away, and exerting unnecessary pressure at the time.

There seems to be plenty of revisionism going on here of late. I never heard any affection towards Mark Hughes, at any time during his tenure.

Our fans have been the major influence in getting rid of managers over the last 30 years, albeit, Swales was more than complicit, but a convenient scapegoat all the same.

Pellegrini just needs to get on with the job and we need to let him.

Just as Mancini was allowed to.

It'll come good, it has to.

Ah the 'cold fish' argument. And no doubt true. So incidentally is Obama. And Blair. But they can all work a crowd. Its a different skill. A politicians skill. In many ways its quite calculated like wearing the scarf - hell he even had Khaldoon and Cook wearing it. Ian Herbert said as much when comparing the Mancini at the Presser all charm and smiles to the private Mancini a very different character. You should never confuse the two or underestimate the power of the public face. Its as much about image as anything else these days.