Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 2)

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Honestly think we'd have been 10 points in front of United now if Mancini was still here.

Given his age, i don't think Pellers is a long term solution, so if we are interested in the short term, it might have been better to stick with Mancini until Vieira is ready (if that happens).

I don't think we have moved forward. We are a complete shambles at the back.Hull could have been out of sight against us. Fucking Hull. At home. There's been the odd game where it's clicked (Newcastle and United) but other than that, it's been poor.

Anyway, i'll see how today goes before i start flapping.
 
My only current concern with Pelli is his refusal to change the game. He was asked after Bayern why he didn't change it early on. His reply was that he thinks about things before the game, and after the game but not during it.

Surely any decent manager would spot issues and change things to remedy it?
 
ono said:
Honestly think we'd have been 10 points in front of United now if Mancini was still here.

Given his age, i don't think Pellers is a long term solution, so if we are interested in the short term, it might have been better to stick with Mancini until Vieira is ready (if that happens).

I don't think we have moved forward. We are a complete shambles at the back.Hull could have been out of sight against us. Fucking Hull. At home. There's been the odd game where it's clicked (Newcastle and United) but other than that, it's been poor.

Anyway, i'll see how today goes before i start flapping.
No manager could get 17 points from 6 games.
 
Paulmcfc2703 said:
ono said:
Honestly think we'd have been 10 points in front of United now if Mancini was still here.

Given his age, i don't think Pellers is a long term solution, so if we are interested in the short term, it might have been better to stick with Mancini until Vieira is ready (if that happens).

I don't think we have moved forward. We are a complete shambles at the back.Hull could have been out of sight against us. Fucking Hull. At home. There's been the odd game where it's clicked (Newcastle and United) but other than that, it's been poor.

Anyway, i'll see how today goes before i start flapping.
No manager could get 17 points from 6 games.
Good point well made. 9.
 
Ducado said:
Jimfv1 said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
You obviously weren't at Goodison that day then. As soon as everyone heard the team and realised it was another 3-5-2 we were staggered. Then again, it was obvious it needed changing and he did it both wrong and too late.

The point is that all managers get it wrong at times, even the best. The question is do they learn from it.

This is my point exactly, I'm not anti-Pellegrini at all, far from it, his reputation is good enough for us and I'm hoping things improve. I'll support whoever our manager is, Mancini was very good for us, Hughes before him made some great signings.

However all managers make mistakes, and the point above is so true, can they learn from these mistakes, Hughes kept making expensive signings which didn't work out, the cheaper signings he made were far better value, Zabaleta and Kompany being a case in point.

Mancini couldn't seem to get inside the players heads and the team never hit the heights of the season before, we didn't look capable of any consistency which ultimately is why we didn't win anything but second in the league wasn't too shabby.

Can Pellegrini learn from the game the other night, I think he can, but I can't say I know too much about the man. I remember Villareal being a great side and Madrid have also always been pretty good, the fact Pellegrini had to move on Robben and Snjeider when they were the players he wanted but they still did OK in the league shows he is a good manager. Maybe the fact they were dumped out of the cup early in the season is exactly the same thing his City side are going through now.

If the players come out of this run as a stronger team then great, the shocks they (and more to the point, us) are suffering now will have been worth it.

I can understand the doubters having a bit of a go, but I think it is far too early to judge, and I share the sentiment that because it is too early he deserves more time. He has done some good things with this team, but no one can deny that some results have been crap, not at all acceptable by the standards the club and fans aspire too. However even though I don't really care what other teams around us are doing, I do like watching other football teams play, and we should all remember that other teams are struggling too and are in a far worse state than us. Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool seem to be the three clubs who have started well, and they may have their own rocky patches. I actually think these may prove to be our biggest rivals this season but we'll have to see how the season pans out.

Can Pellegrini learn from mistakes, I certainly hope so, then the fans will hopefully unite behind him and the players.

What an excellent post, and pretty much mirrors my thinking


Thanks !
 
BillyShears said:
Rammy Blue said:
Surely though he has to start showing some flexibility in league games as well. Can't just leave it to Chumps games to wheel out a different formation.

Genuine question - but if it's working in the league why does he need to change it?

Don't get me wrong ... I agree entirely with the wider point that he needs to show flexibility, especially in situations like Wednesday, because that wasn't good enough. However for the moment I've not seen anything which tells me the formation won't work in the league or that it's a problem.

It's not my preferred system at all either so it's not like I love it. I just think as the manager if he thinks it can work in the league then it's his call. It was the same when Roberto was in charge. Yes he was more flexible, but ultimately the overwhelmingly vast majority of games we started with two strikers. I can't understand why neither man has tried a 433/4231 with Silva in behind and Nasri/Milner (or Navas or Jovetic) either side.

-- Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:19 am --

Jimfv1 said:
This is my point exactly, I'm not anti-Pellegrini at all, far from it, his reputation is good enough for us and I'm hoping things improve. I'll support whoever our manager is, Mancini was very good for us, Hughes before him made some great signings.

However all managers make mistakes, and the point above is so true, can they learn from these mistakes, Hughes kept making expensive signings which didn't work out, the cheaper signings he made were far better value, Zabaleta and Kompany being a case in point.

Mancini couldn't seem to get inside the players heads and the team never hit the heights of the season before, we didn't look capable of any consistency which ultimately is why we didn't win anything but second in the league wasn't too shabby.

Can Pellegrini learn from the game the other night, I think he can, but I can't say I know too much about the man. I remember Villareal being a great side and Madrid have also always been pretty good, the fact Pellegrini had to move on Robben and Snjeider when they were the players he wanted but they still did OK in the league shows he is a good manager. Maybe the fact they were dumped out of the cup early in the season is exactly the same thing his City side are going through now.

If the players come out of this run as a stronger team then great, the shocks they (and more to the point, us) are suffering now will have been worth it.

I can understand the doubters having a bit of a go, but I think it is far too early to judge, and I share the sentiment that because it is too early he deserves more time. He has done some good things with this team, but no one can deny that some results have been crap, not at all acceptable by the standards the club and fans aspire too. However even though I don't really care what other teams around us are doing, I do like watching other football teams play, and we should all remember that other teams are struggling too and are in a far worse state than us. Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool seem to be the three clubs who have started well, and they may have their own rocky patches. I actually think these may prove to be our biggest rivals this season but we'll have to see how the season pans out.

Can Pellegrini learn from mistakes, I certainly hope so, then the fans will hopefully unite behind him and the players.

That's a cracking post mate ...

it's not working in the league though (yet). Away from home we haven't won and it's mainly because we're getting caught at the back. Mistakes come from pressure or lack of concentration, costly mistakes come from a lack of cover.

If we suddenly start defending properly in 4-2-2-2 and winning comfortably with clean sheets most of the time everyone will jump on board. The problem is now people are twitchy and don't really fancy having to go to West Ham/Chelsea/Moscow and pray that that is the game the players have got it, because the first 3 away games have taken people's confidence away.

Not that I'm saying Pelle should change his system because we're now nervous about it. If he believes they've genuinely cracked it then go for it, but it has to deliver win after win now and at least if he can show he can change during games then that's something to build everyone's confidence i.e. if it's 2-1 today and he's pro-active, great. If we win every game 3/4-0 and it's that way after an hour then brilliant, if it's tight, let us know you can change things Pelle. Wins now, take the 4/5-0 demolitions when they present themselves, if like last week they don't then take the 3 points.
 
Jimfv1 said:
Ducado said:
Jimfv1 said:
This is my point exactly, I'm not anti-Pellegrini at all, far from it, his reputation is good enough for us and I'm hoping things improve. I'll support whoever our manager is, Mancini was very good for us, Hughes before him made some great signings.

However all managers make mistakes, and the point above is so true, can they learn from these mistakes, Hughes kept making expensive signings which didn't work out, the cheaper signings he made were far better value, Zabaleta and Kompany being a case in point.

Mancini couldn't seem to get inside the players heads and the team never hit the heights of the season before, we didn't look capable of any consistency which ultimately is why we didn't win anything but second in the league wasn't too shabby.

Can Pellegrini learn from the game the other night, I think he can, but I can't say I know too much about the man. I remember Villareal being a great side and Madrid have also always been pretty good, the fact Pellegrini had to move on Robben and Snjeider when they were the players he wanted but they still did OK in the league shows he is a good manager. Maybe the fact they were dumped out of the cup early in the season is exactly the same thing his City side are going through now.

If the players come out of this run as a stronger team then great, the shocks they (and more to the point, us) are suffering now will have been worth it.

I can understand the doubters having a bit of a go, but I think it is far too early to judge, and I share the sentiment that because it is too early he deserves more time. He has done some good things with this team, but no one can deny that some results have been crap, not at all acceptable by the standards the club and fans aspire too. However even though I don't really care what other teams around us are doing, I do like watching other football teams play, and we should all remember that other teams are struggling too and are in a far worse state than us. Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool seem to be the three clubs who have started well, and they may have their own rocky patches. I actually think these may prove to be our biggest rivals this season but we'll have to see how the season pans out.

Can Pellegrini learn from mistakes, I certainly hope so, then the fans will hopefully unite behind him and the players.

What an excellent post, and pretty much mirrors my thinking


Thanks !
What are Pellegrini's mistakes?

For me he has made one: Keeping Dzeko which means that we can't bed in Jovetic and give Lopes more of a chance

Start of the season I thought we were way too open to succeed, but Utd game convinced me it can work. We also played a very good game in Plzen. Annoys me to see us throw leads at Cardiff and Villa. The biggest issue is not tactics but players complacency in the League and fear in Europe

We could and should have battered Villa. That's the danger in generalising from a handful of games
 
akcity said:
My only current concern with Pelli is his refusal to change the game. He was asked after Bayern why he didn't change it early on. His reply was that he thinks about things before the game, and after the game but not during it.

Surely any decent manager would spot issues and change things to remedy it?

Fukin frightening
 
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