Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 2)

I'm gonna have to blink and stare at that post a little while longer, Billy. Garcia was gash last night, plain and simple, and the fact that we won despite him, should not be seen as an endorsement of his selection.
Of the two players Garcia is certainly more comfortable in possession than Lescott, but the latter has more desire and is, crucially, a natural centre half. A race between the two of them would be interesting, although I think they'd have to film it with one of those special slow shutter cameras the BBC uses for filming flowers budding over a 6 day period, as any movement would be imperceptible to the naked eye in real time.
In actual fact, I think Garcia is the slower of the two, and having been undone by a 60 yarder over his head, caught flat footed so that a 5ft 8' Japanese midfielder beat him in the air, lost his forward to the tune of 6 yards from one cross, and allowed the same player to wriggle around him and almost conceded a penalty as he vainly tried to make up ground, amongst other examples of amateurish defending, I do not think Lescott could possibly have done worse. Ultimately though both are a liability at this level

Nail on head.

Apart from the fact Honda is actually a tad over 6 foot......

Knew I should have googled it!

 

[NorCalBlue]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 2)

The passing stats are quite interesting actually:

City had their best possession stats of their CL campaign so far last night. They attempted and completed the most passes in a CL game this season for us last night (621 & 489 respectively) and had their highest pass completion rate 79%. These fall well short of the leading pass completion stats in the competition. The most attempted passes is 930, the most completed is 828 and the best completion rate is 89%. As 828/930 is 89%, somebody's had a good game somewhere. We're below the competition average is passes attempted, completed and the completion rate, though we did have the debacle of Bayern at home.

Interestingly Bayern have had double the number of attempts on target we've had in the competition so far (48 v 24). We're 8th in the list of attempts on target, 7th in the list of those created inside the area, but again half as many as Bayern (14 v 28). In fact even outside the area we have half as many as Bayern naturally (10 v 20), we're 18th on that list, showing we don't like a pop from outside the area. We rank 17th in passes attempted on 1585, PSG top with 2477 with Barca 2nd on 2455. We move up to 14th on passes completed at 1190, PSG top on 2135 with Barca again 2nd on 2121. We languish 14th on pass completion % with 75%. PSG and Barca top on 86%, Bayern 85%, Real 81%, Arsenal & Ajax 80%, Chelsea and Schalke 79%, Juve 78%, United 77% with Shakhtar and Zenit and Napoli 76%.

Bayern top the possession stats with 65%. City rank 13th with 50%, Barca are 2nd with 64%, PSG 63%, Arsenal 55%, Juve and Ajax 54%, Real 53% and United 52%. So we're clearly not a possession team, but we don't dominate the attempts list either...

In terms of individuals, last night was positive for Nastasic who completed 41 passes at 87%. Zabaleta was the star with 61 passes at 87%. Yaya had 89 passes at 84%, whilst Fernandinho had 76 at 86%. Silva languished a bit at 76%, with Garcia and Negredo at 78% and 77% respectively. Kolarov at 75% with Aguero and Navas at 71%. Hart was 69%. Our overall pass completion rate was 79% compared to 70%.

So our passing and possession stats languish a bit compared to some of the elite clubs, but if the results keep coming then it will prove our play is working.

I'm not sure you can take City's numbers at face value at the moment - we've only played three games, and we got seriously roughed up in the Bayern game. That would have had a big effect on our average stats in every category at the moment. Let's see how they look after all 6 games when things have averaged out a bit more.

And the passing % for players in yesterday's game should also be considered in the context of what kinds of passes each player is likely to make. To my mind, Silva is the best passer on the team, but his % is lower than some others because he makes more passes into the danger areas that are packed with defenders. These types of pass have a lower probability of success, but when they work, we have a goal-scoring opportunity. If he just played safe all the time he could probably be up in the high 90s every game.

 

[bluemoonmatt]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 2)

I log on to find people using garcia as a shining example of centre backdom.

Billy S - 3 things
1) Why did Magical Manuel take over 70 minutes to change a shit system against Bayern after the game had gone
2) are you actually serious about Javi Garcia being a decent CB, a half decent defensive mid is about his limit and I'm being kind.
3) On scale of 1-10 how much did you hate Mancini and define you're biggest 3 reasons

 

[BlueAnorak]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 2)

The passing stats are quite interesting actually:

City had their best possession stats of their CL campaign so far last night. They attempted and completed the most passes in a CL game this season for us last night (621 & 489 respectively) and had their highest pass completion rate 79%. These fall well short of the leading pass completion stats in the competition. The most attempted passes is 930, the most completed is 828 and the best completion rate is 89%. As 828/930 is 89%, somebody's had a good game somewhere. We're below the competition average is passes attempted, completed and the completion rate, though we did have the debacle of Bayern at home.

Interestingly Bayern have had double the number of attempts on target we've had in the competition so far (48 v 24). We're 8th in the list of attempts on target, 7th in the list of those created inside the area, but again half as many as Bayern (14 v 28). In fact even outside the area we have half as many as Bayern naturally (10 v 20), we're 18th on that list, showing we don't like a pop from outside the area. We rank 17th in passes attempted on 1585, PSG top with 2477 with Barca 2nd on 2455. We move up to 14th on passes completed at 1190, PSG top on 2135 with Barca again 2nd on 2121. We languish 14th on pass completion % with 75%. PSG and Barca top on 86%, Bayern 85%, Real 81%, Arsenal & Ajax 80%, Chelsea and Schalke 79%, Juve 78%, United 77% with Shakhtar and Zenit and Napoli 76%.

Bayern top the possession stats with 65%. City rank 13th with 50%, Barca are 2nd with 64%, PSG 63%, Arsenal 55%, Juve and Ajax 54%, Real 53% and United 52%. So we're clearly not a possession team, but we don't dominate the attempts list either...

In terms of individuals, last night was positive for Nastasic who completed 41 passes at 87%. Zabaleta was the star with 61 passes at 87%. Yaya had 89 passes at 84%, whilst Fernandinho had 76 at 86%. Silva languished a bit at 76%, with Garcia and Negredo at 78% and 77% respectively. Kolarov at 75% with Aguero and Navas at 71%. Hart was 69%. Our overall pass completion rate was 79% compared to 70%.

So our passing and possession stats languish a bit compared to some of the elite clubs, but if the results keep coming then it will prove our play is working.

As a statistician, I have to say that those stats are worthless as we have only played 3 games - one of which being against top of the pile Byern (who frankly took us to the cleaners due to woeful tactical decisions on Pellegrini's part) and two against teams who really are not very good.

 

[Ducado]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 2)

Well the football has got more exciting we can all agree on that

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 2)

I log on to find people using garcia as a shining example of centre backdom.

Billy S - 3 things
1) Why did Magical Manuel take over 70 minutes to change a shit system against Bayern after the game had gone
2) are you actually serious about Javi Garcia being a decent CB, a half decent defensive mid is about his limit and I'm being kind.
3) On scale of 1-10 how much did you hate Mancini and define you're biggest 3 reasons

1. Dunno you'll have to ask him.

2. All I said about Garcia was that we'd won two away games with him playing centre half. So slagging him off for being shit is a bit pointless and gratuitous.

3. Fuck Mancini. When I want to discuss him I'll go join a Galatasaray forum.

 

[cleavers]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 2)

Well the football has got more exciting we can all agree on that

Some are moaning that its too exciting now though ;o)

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 2)

The passing stats are quite interesting actually:

City had their best possession stats of their CL campaign so far last night. They attempted and completed the most passes in a CL game this season for us last night (621 & 489 respectively) and had their highest pass completion rate 79%. These fall well short of the leading pass completion stats in the competition. The most attempted passes is 930, the most completed is 828 and the best completion rate is 89%. As 828/930 is 89%, somebody's had a good game somewhere. We're below the competition average is passes attempted, completed and the completion rate, though we did have the debacle of Bayern at home.

Interestingly Bayern have had double the number of attempts on target we've had in the competition so far (48 v 24). We're 8th in the list of attempts on target, 7th in the list of those created inside the area, but again half as many as Bayern (14 v 28). In fact even outside the area we have half as many as Bayern naturally (10 v 20), we're 18th on that list, showing we don't like a pop from outside the area. We rank 17th in passes attempted on 1585, PSG top with 2477 with Barca 2nd on 2455. We move up to 14th on passes completed at 1190, PSG top on 2135 with Barca again 2nd on 2121. We languish 14th on pass completion % with 75%. PSG and Barca top on 86%, Bayern 85%, Real 81%, Arsenal & Ajax 80%, Chelsea and Schalke 79%, Juve 78%, United 77% with Shakhtar and Zenit and Napoli 76%.

Bayern top the possession stats with 65%. City rank 13th with 50%, Barca are 2nd with 64%, PSG 63%, Arsenal 55%, Juve and Ajax 54%, Real 53% and United 52%. So we're clearly not a possession team, but we don't dominate the attempts list either...

In terms of individuals, last night was positive for Nastasic who completed 41 passes at 87%. Zabaleta was the star with 61 passes at 87%. Yaya had 89 passes at 84%, whilst Fernandinho had 76 at 86%. Silva languished a bit at 76%, with Garcia and Negredo at 78% and 77% respectively. Kolarov at 75% with Aguero and Navas at 71%. Hart was 69%. Our overall pass completion rate was 79% compared to 70%.

So our passing and possession stats languish a bit compared to some of the elite clubs, but if the results keep coming then it will prove our play is working.

As a statistician, I have to say that those stats are worthless as we have only played 3 games - one of which being against top of the pile Byern (who frankly took us to the cleaners die to woeful tactical decisions on Pellegrini's part) and two against teams who really are not very good.

the stats reflect how we played in those games, so they're not worthless at all. You can see the differing styles in the way teams play just by looking at them compared to other teams, and sorry playing Bayern isn't an excuse, if the stats are shit then funnily enough it's because that night we were shit.

 

[Ducado]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 2)

Well the football has got more exciting we can all agree on that

Some are moaning that its too exciting now though ;o)

Some don't like change

 

[Marvin]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 2)

The passing stats are quite interesting actually:

City had their best possession stats of their CL campaign so far last night. They attempted and completed the most passes in a CL game this season for us last night (621 & 489 respectively) and had their highest pass completion rate 79%. These fall well short of the leading pass completion stats in the competition. The most attempted passes is 930, the most completed is 828 and the best completion rate is 89%. As 828/930 is 89%, somebody's had a good game somewhere. We're below the competition average is passes attempted, completed and the completion rate, though we did have the debacle of Bayern at home.

Interestingly Bayern have had double the number of attempts on target we've had in the competition so far (48 v 24). We're 8th in the list of attempts on target, 7th in the list of those created inside the area, but again half as many as Bayern (14 v 28). In fact even outside the area we have half as many as Bayern naturally (10 v 20), we're 18th on that list, showing we don't like a pop from outside the area. We rank 17th in passes attempted on 1585, PSG top with 2477 with Barca 2nd on 2455. We move up to 14th on passes completed at 1190, PSG top on 2135 with Barca again 2nd on 2121. We languish 14th on pass completion % with 75%. PSG and Barca top on 86%, Bayern 85%, Real 81%, Arsenal & Ajax 80%, Chelsea and Schalke 79%, Juve 78%, United 77% with Shakhtar and Zenit and Napoli 76%.

Bayern top the possession stats with 65%. City rank 13th with 50%, Barca are 2nd with 64%, PSG 63%, Arsenal 55%, Juve and Ajax 54%, Real 53% and United 52%. So we're clearly not a possession team, but we don't dominate the attempts list either...

In terms of individuals, last night was positive for Nastasic who completed 41 passes at 87%. Zabaleta was the star with 61 passes at 87%. Yaya had 89 passes at 84%, whilst Fernandinho had 76 at 86%. Silva languished a bit at 76%, with Garcia and Negredo at 78% and 77% respectively. Kolarov at 75% with Aguero and Navas at 71%. Hart was 69%. Our overall pass completion rate was 79% compared to 70%.

So our passing and possession stats languish a bit compared to some of the elite clubs, but if the results keep coming then it will prove our play is working.

As a statistician, I have to say that those stats are worthless as we have only played 3 games - one of which being against top of the pile Byern (who frankly took us to the cleaners die to woeful tactical decisions on Pellegrini's part) and two against teams who really are not very good.

the stats reflect how we played in those games, so they're not worthless at all. You can see the differing styles in the way teams play just by looking at them compared to other teams, and sorry playing Bayern isn't an excuse, if the stats are shit then funnily enough it's because that night we were shit.

As has been said the possession stats have been so distorted by the match with Bayern so that you can not possibly conclude that City "are not a possession team".

Away fixtures and a pitch like a beach don't help either.