Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

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Re: Clueless manager

flb said:
bobmcfc said:
flb said:
Its commendable that you are defending Pellagrini's team selections


Can you answer me as to why he left our best left and right backs on the bench for an important away game against a team scrapping for there lives?

Why did he wait until half time to sub the disgracefully mard arsed Garcia who is so so out of his depth in the premiership its an embarrassment watching him.

Are you telling me he set the team up to its best on Sunday?

Hart,Milner,Richards,Nastasic,Lescott and Clichy have all gone backwards under Pellagrini - a defensive unit that had the best defence in the premiership for the past three seasons is now defending like a Mark Hughes outfit.


He's grossly underestimating the premiership, and he has been a tad fortunate with the CL group we have.

I'm all for giving him a chance and i want him to succeed i really do, he just isn't learning from his obvious mistakes.

The season could be over by Christmas and success would be qualifying for the CL and a run in the cups.

I'm sorry mate but its just not good enough

It has been said Garcia went off due to injury not tactics. I was hoping the penny had dropped but we will see what happens when he's fit


Must have got injured in the dressing room then, perhaps he slipped on one of his tampons.

To be fair, if he picked up an injury, it could well have been from Larsson's tackle. Which was brought about because of a hospital ball lay-off by Yaya, which in turn was symptomatic of his thoroughly half-assed performance - a performance which contributed much more to our defeat than Garcia's.
 
Re: Clueless manager

And all this would never have happened if we had just kept Gareth Barry. Milner needs to start playing in the role Pellegrini seems fit for Garcia he is much better there than on the wing which has been proven the times he has played there this season
 
Skashion said:
However, the only thing we should be discussing is the improvement in our away form. We got rid of a manager that was not good enough to take us forward apparently, spent a shed load of money on decent attacking players, all of whom I'm happy have improved us, especially Negredo who is looking like the buy of the window, so why has our already poor away form (5th best last season) gone backwards to 16th best? It's not hard to understand people talking about it.

No, people shouldn't be talking about sacking. That's pathetic, but talking about not only poor away form, but away form getting worse, is what this forum is actually about - talking about football.

We spent money on players to replace outgoing ones. The ones we bought in the summer were all classed as a downgrade on the outgoing players. Whichever way you cut it, the money spent/players bought is an irrelevance and a total red herring.

I agree though that it'd be nice to talk about football rather than Mancini or dissecting stats to try and prove our away form is a shit. It is and it has been for a while, certainly in comparison to our home form.

Something OB1 has repeatedly posted but has been repeatedly ignored is that we are conceding a very small amount of shots on our own goal, and that you would expect over the course of a season for this to be reflected in the results away from home. The anomalous results this season (Cardiff/Villa) have been down to individual mistakes which for the players involved were uncharacteristic.

Of course this doesn't excuse anything because ultimately you either pick up the points or you don't. However it does go some way to showing that although the form is bad, it's fixable and I suspect by the end of the season it will be.
 
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sh249 said:
flb said:
bobmcfc said:
It has been said Garcia went off due to injury not tactics. I was hoping the penny had dropped but we will see what happens when he's fit


Must have got injured in the dressing room then, perhaps he slipped on one of his tampons.

To be fair, if he picked up an injury, it could well have been from Larsson's tackle. Which was brought about because of a hospital ball lay-off by Yaya, which in turn was symptomatic of his thoroughly half-assed performance - a performance which contributed much more to our defeat than Garcia's.


The whole point people are trying to make is Garcia shouldn't have even been on the fucking pitch, Rodwell and Milner are far more capable players who for that specialist position.
 
BillyShears said:
Exeter Blue I am here said:
I didn't turn a defeat into a victory, I simply didn't include it, and the Stoke game pre-dates the fixtures above. You can excite yourself about semantics if you wish (and clearly you do wish), but whether our record was W2 D2 L4 or W3 D2 L4, it still wasn't exactly stellar. Even in the year we won the title, we garnered only 34 points out of 89 on the road, and last year I think (you'd best check, you seem to enjoy that kind of thing), we were down to 31. That figure certainly looks like falling further this season, but the point is poor away form is not exactly a new phenomenon. We are victims of our own ability to a degree, in that we have some excellent midfielders, who monopolise possession and ensure that we face more parked buses than any other side. Counter attacking, in the way Arsenal do, is a relative rarity for City both under Mancini and Pellegrini. The latter couldn't find a way through Cardiff or Sunderland's massed ranks any more than his predecessor could Sunderland's, Everton's or QPR. Furthermore, Pellers has had key injuries to Kompany, Silva, Nastasic, Jovetic and now Fernandinho to contend with, and Negredo has simply replaced Tevez. But there are no shades of grey for some of the knee jerkers on here, are there, only black and white. Let's sack the manager after just 11 games in charge, eh?!

Cracking post which certainly puts into context some of the panty wetting "we're going backwards" histrionics.

The boy Exeter knows his footballing onions.

I did note that last season Arsenal scored the most goals on counterattack: 7. City were joint second with 6 (even split, home and away).
 
BillyShears said:
We spent money on players to replace outgoing ones. The ones we bought in the summer were all classed as a downgrade on the outgoing players. Whichever way you cut it, the money spent/players bought is an irrelevance and a total red herring.


Given our summer 'spend' is a favourite method of attack on the new boss,that fact seems to have been ignored by a few of the more vocal contributors on this thread.

I fully expect our defence to be next in line for an overhaul.
 
OB1 said:
BillyShears said:
Exeter Blue I am here said:
I didn't turn a defeat into a victory, I simply didn't include it, and the Stoke game pre-dates the fixtures above. You can excite yourself about semantics if you wish (and clearly you do wish), but whether our record was W2 D2 L4 or W3 D2 L4, it still wasn't exactly stellar. Even in the year we won the title, we garnered only 34 points out of 89 on the road, and last year I think (you'd best check, you seem to enjoy that kind of thing), we were down to 31. That figure certainly looks like falling further this season, but the point is poor away form is not exactly a new phenomenon. We are victims of our own ability to a degree, in that we have some excellent midfielders, who monopolise possession and ensure that we face more parked buses than any other side. Counter attacking, in the way Arsenal do, is a relative rarity for City both under Mancini and Pellegrini. The latter couldn't find a way through Cardiff or Sunderland's massed ranks any more than his predecessor could Sunderland's, Everton's or QPR. Furthermore, Pellers has had key injuries to Kompany, Silva, Nastasic, Jovetic and now Fernandinho to contend with, and Negredo has simply replaced Tevez. But there are no shades of grey for some of the knee jerkers on here, are there, only black and white. Let's sack the manager after just 11 games in charge, eh?!

Cracking post which certainly puts into context some of the panty wetting "we're going backwards" histrionics.

The boy Exeter knows his footballing onions.

I did note that last season Arsenal scored the most goals on counterattack: 7. City were joint second with 6 (even split, home and away).


Ah the Nelson approach.

Not heard the calls for sacking or any panty wetting. Just posters concerned about 4 points out of 18 and debating whether we are improving or not.
 
FantasyIreland said:
I fully expect our defence to be next in line for an overhaul.

I agree ... I don't like the world overhaul just because it sounds so dramatic. I think with Lescott's contractual situation he's going to have to be replaced. I think Kolarov is a goner because he was a very poor signing in the first place and is overpaid. So as I said earlier I reckon a centre half and left back, in January if the market permits, and if not then certainly in the summer.

I know it's anathema to some on here, but I don't rate Zabaleta and think we could do better than him in terms of finding an attacking fullback. I'd keep Richards purely because he's homegrown and is a very useful squad player to have (when he's fit!).

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GaudinoMotors said:
Not heard the calls for sacking or any panty wetting. Just posters concerned about 4 points out of 18 and debating whether we are improving or not.

If I really wanted my eyeballs raped I'd go back and repost all the calls for Pellegrini's head and the panty wetting panic about how we aren't going to finish in the top 4. However I don't want my eyeballs raped so you'll have to take my word for it ... :)
 
BillyShears said:
FantasyIreland said:
I fully expect our defence to be next in line for an overhaul.

I agree ... I don't like the world overhaul just because it sounds so dramatic. I think with Lescott's contractual situation he's going to have to be replaced. I think Kolarov is a goner because he was a very poor signing in the first place and is overpaid. So as I said earlier I reckon a centre half and left back, in January if the market permits, and if not then certainly in the summer.

I know it's anathema to some on here, but I don't rate Zabaleta and think we could do better than him in terms of finding an attacking fullback. I'd keep Richards purely because he's homegrown and is a very useful squad player to have (when he's fit!).

Can't think of a right back who's worth it who's attainable.

As for the poster saying Yaya is on the wane, well he had a sensational start to the season and maybe the main problem is he's played most of his career in a 3 man midfield and the only reason the 2 man has worked at all this season is because Fernandinho does so much he does the role of 2 players?
 
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