Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

[cibaman]

Rodwell might have been available to play, but could he have played 90mins? He played 90mins at Stoke and was then out for several weeks. Apart from that game he usually lasts 60-70mins at most.

If we'd been two up after 70mins on Sunday I think he'd possibly have come on for the last 20mins, a gentle re-introduction. But he's unlikely to start a league game in the near future.

 

[mancity1]

Pellegrini's preferred system is the 4222 we're playing which we he played at Villareal too. I saw an interview with him on the UEFA website in which he said as much. I think with the personnel, particularly the strikers, it's of little surprise that he's using this system at City.

The problem arises when we get injuries to key players. In these moments i definitely think he should look at switching to a 4231 ... I discussed this with wireblue i believe yesterday. The issue at sunderland was ... with Dinho and Rodwell injured - who does he play in the 4231 and who does he drop. Particularly given the form of Negredo and Aguero.

Rodwell was an unused sub on Sunday BS , he was available to play.


I am sure already MP doesn't rate him , he is in the Lescott , Milner , Hart, Richards , Barry , Clichy etc basket.

Only gets a gig when others up the order are injured etc.

Rodwell won't be at City next season if MP is still in charge.

MP doesn't rate our current crop of English breed at all BS and I think you and I both know that.

I think that's right.

On the points front I think this season 79/80 points will win it i.e. 10 points fewer than in the past two seasons.

So we would need another 61 points, meaning roughly achieving the following results in future:

W19 D4 L4, which would give us an overall total of:

W25 D5 L8

You may be pretty close on the points front.

I have serious reservations at to our ability to only lose 4 games from here on in.

The only plus if you can call it a plus so far is we have drawn one game from eleven.

 

[uwe rosler 28]

Pellegrini's preferred system is the 4222 we're playing which we he played at Villareal too. I saw an interview with him on the UEFA website in which he said as much. I think with the personnel, particularly the strikers, it's of little surprise that he's using this system at City.

The problem arises when we get injuries to key players. In these moments i definitely think he should look at switching to a 4231 ... I discussed this with wireblue i believe yesterday. The issue at sunderland was ... with Dinho and Rodwell injured - who does he play in the 4231 and who does he drop. Particularly given the form of Negredo and Aguero.

Rodwell was an unused sub on Sunday BS , he was available to play.


I am sure already MP doesn't rate him , he is in the Lescott , Milner , Hart, Richards , Barry , Clichy etc basket.

Only gets a gig when others up the order are injured etc.

Rodwell won't be at City next season if MP is still in charge.

MP doesn't rate our current crop of English breed at all BS and I think you and I both know that.

I too am worried fella, our English lads will either be sold or put in transfer requests to gain 1st team football

Hes playing Garcia at the expense of Rodwell and MIlner.

And what the fuck does Navas bring to the party that Milner did very well last season doing in that position

Navas is a one trick pony with no left foot, and he coudlnt tackle a fucking cooked breakfast.

You got to be jokeing about navas look how long it took silva to settle at us he gives blistering pace and someone who is direct he does, nt get in the spain squad thro being shit and regards the english players except hart average players that are not good enough to get in our first 11.

 

[Anonymous]

Rodwell won't be at City next season if MP is still in charge.

MP doesn't rate our current crop of English breed at all BS and I think you and I both know that.

You're totally wrong on Rodwell. I know for a fact that Pellegrini, Txiki, and the coaching staff all rate Rodwell very highly. Absolutely fuck all chance of him going anywhere this summer.

For the rest I'm not sure why it's relevant what nationality a player is. Pellegrini will want the best players available in each position.

 

[sh249]

Re: Clueless manager

The whole point people are trying to make is Garcia shouldn't have even been on the fucking pitch, Rodwell and Milner are far more capable players who for that specialist position.

Perhaps. But then with Rodwell you have to weigh up (i) that he's highly unlikely to last more than 60 mins and (ii) whether he's disciplined enough to play the role. Against Norwich at home last season he was excellent, but the partnership with Yaya was awful and left us hopelessly exposed.

With Milner (i) Pellegrini obviously wanted to play him in one of the wide roles ahead of Navas, which I understand given that one of the major criticisms of him has been that he's been too attacking, especially away from home, and (ii) he too lacks the discipline to play a holding role (it is, as you say, a specialist role).

so why was Barry allowed to leave we wonder......

If it was a purely football decision, I'd say it was a poor one. He'd be ideal for coming in to replace Fernandinho as and when required. But I don't think it was - probably as much financial as anything else. And as FantasyIreland wrote, he might have pushed for the move himself, sensing that he wasn't going to get a game.

 

[BobKowalski]

This is the one thing that's bugging me about the whole set up, i have in fact answered that question in the past Bob but it obviously got lost in the abyss.

"The Pellers Way" with Malaga and Real the majority of his time was 4-2-3-1, when he's used it here has been effective, it's also (i believe) included our best performances.

I think he's tinkering too much reverting back to 4-4-2 when it's not needed, we have the players to play to his "preferred system" (4-2-3-1) so why change it?

It's starting to bug me as much as Mancini with his persistance with three at the back, why?

Sorry I missed your answers but thanks for that. I'm not big on tactical analysis or formations but I share your puzzlement. Its like having a huge build up with fanfare and when its unveiled you sort of go "Yeah. And?"

I do get the feeling that I was being media managed with the whole 'brand of football you have never witnessed before'. I've doled out enough bullshit in my time to know when its being handed on a plate to me with an invite to tuck in.

When it clicks it clicks and we've seen glimpses of what we can do when that happens, it's getting the right balance and i think that's why he's tinkering.

I believe our best formation and performances have been when Negredo and Aguero interchange and drop deep with the three behind, West Ham's an example of this with the three behind being fluid.

No problem with tinkering but at this level you have to tinker and still win. We have seen glimpses but nothing I haven't seen before. Its not as if we played hoof ball for the last three years. I think Fernandinho offers more dynamism in midfield and Navas brings width and both where sound investments along with Negrado with his physicality up front but its been about refinements on the existing style rather than any radical departure. The line may be higher, we may press more (personally not seeing much evidence of either but lets say its true) but no way is this reinventing our football. Personally I didn't see much wrong with the our template that the addition of width and dynamism wouldn't have cured. Quicker tempo, more variety and we where good to go. We did all this with fresh faces invigorating the squad which had gone a bit stale. Hence my early season optimism.

 

[flb]

Rodwell was an unused sub on Sunday BS , he was available to play.


I am sure already MP doesn't rate him , he is in the Lescott , Milner , Hart, Richards , Barry , Clichy etc basket.

Only gets a gig when others up the order are injured etc.

Rodwell won't be at City next season if MP is still in charge.

MP doesn't rate our current crop of English breed at all BS and I think you and I both know that.

I too am worried fella, our English lads will either be sold or put in transfer requests to gain 1st team football

Hes playing Garcia at the expense of Rodwell and MIlner.

And what the fuck does Navas bring to the party that Milner did very well last season doing in that position

Navas is a one trick pony with no left foot, and he coudlnt tackle a fucking cooked breakfast.

You got to be jokeing about navas look how long it took silva to settle at us he gives blistering pace and someone who is direct he does, nt get in the spain squad thro being shit and regards the english players except hart average players that are not good enough to get in our first 11.

Navas is one directional, you wont see him covering the fullbacks arse in tight games, Milner is a better all round player without question.

 

[BobKowalski]

This is the one thing that's bugging me about the whole set up, i have in fact answered that question in the past Bob but it obviously got lost in the abyss.

"The Pellers Way" with Malaga and Real the majority of his time was 4-2-3-1, when he's used it here has been effective, it's also (i believe) included our best performances.

I think he's tinkering too much reverting back to 4-4-2 when it's not needed, we have the players to play to his "preferred system" (4-2-3-1) so why change it?

It's starting to bug me as much as Mancini with his persistance with three at the back, why?

Sorry I missed your answers but thanks for that. I'm not big on tactical analysis or formations but I share your puzzlement. Its like having a huge build up with fanfare and when its unveiled you sort of go "Yeah. And?"

I do get the feeling that I was being media managed with the whole 'brand of football you have never witnessed before'. I've doled out enough bullshit in my time to know when its being handed on a plate to me with an invite to tuck in.

Bob they are just words , if MP himself was asked what holistic means he would answer by saying well that hole is not as thick as you thought (LOL).

Same as a whole new approach.

The approach we should be striving for is some of that home spun form away from home because we won't be 19-0-0 as Tolmie has predicted at home come seasons end , you can put your house on it.

Words are important. Words define. Words set the narrative and in the media narrative is King.

 

[mancity1]

Rodwell won't be at City next season if MP is still in charge.

MP doesn't rate our current crop of English breed at all BS and I think you and I both know that.

You're totally wrong on Rodwell. I know for a fact that Pellegrini, Txiki, and the coaching staff all rate Rodwell very highly. Absolutely fuck all chance of him going anywhere this summer.

For the rest I'm not sure why it's relevant what nationality a player is. Pellegrini will want the best players available in each position.

its not relevant outside quotas for FIFA etc.

The fact is he prefers Garcia over Milner , let Barry go and will only start Richards , Lescott and Rodwell if he is forced to

You could argue that none of the local lads are good enough to start if all other are fit and firing but that's how he sees it BS.

As for Rodwell only quotas will keep him at the club if MP could get a better fitter replacement for him he would ship him out in a heartbeat.

I can assure you if Rodwell assuming he is more than a sicknote has designs on playing for England it will have to be at another club.

I actually feel for the lad because he sounds like a decent bloke who actually gives a stuff about the shirt even though he started at Everton.<br /><br />-- Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:24 pm --<br /><br />

Sorry I missed your answers but thanks for that. I'm not big on tactical analysis or formations but I share your puzzlement. Its like having a huge build up with fanfare and when its unveiled you sort of go "Yeah. And?"

I do get the feeling that I was being media managed with the whole 'brand of football you have never witnessed before'. I've doled out enough bullshit in my time to know when its being handed on a plate to me with an invite to tuck in.

Bob they are just words , if MP himself was asked what holistic means he would answer by saying well that hole is not as thick as you thought (LOL).

Same as a whole new approach.

The approach we should be striving for is some of that home spun form away from home because we won't be 19-0-0 as Tolmie has predicted at home come seasons end , you can put your house on it.

Words are important. Words define. Words set the narrative and in the media narrative is King.

Maybe there lies the problem , the media write or should I say plagiarise the words and the players dance to the lousy tune written to accompany them.

Like watching dancing with the stars and seeing Joe Hart in intermission seeing if his head and shoulders is contributing to losing his hair.

 

[fathellensbellend]

Re: Clueless manager

I was under the impression we replaced mancini with pelle, to make the next step, at the moment we have gone backwards.

We have spent 100 million on top of our already mega squad, yet have 4 points from 18 away from home, I would argue a man on the street would get a far better return with the players at our disposal, lets be right sunderland, Cardiff, villa and stoke possess about two players between them who would remotely interest us.

The problems we encountered last season have appeared again, but with even worse results, I cannot believe that finding a solution to teams parking the bus wasn't discussed with pelle during negotiations, and I was sure we would have seen a far better return than suffering the same old failings.

Rotating the squad is fine, but it has to be done correctly, and sometimes while taking a calculated gamble, but playing the best team against a woeful cska, and then ending up with the side we put out against sunderland was just poor judgement and left our title challenge not in tatters but potentially 3 defeats from being over.

Could it be argued pelle's contract is weighted towards champions league, so from a personal point of view it takes priority, also the message from the Spanish duo that they see managers as a 2 year cycle worries me, I would be happier for a manager to be laying long term foundations as opposed to a huge short term contract where he knows he will not be in the job for too long.

For all the money spent the squad is woefully short of quality in some areas, and we are always one or two injuries away from being mediocre, which for our resources is laughable and I certainly don't buy into the we have the best squad argument, although I do think we have the best 11.

MP deserves time and support, but he needs to be doing a hell of a lot better than he is doing, we don't need to settle for average this isn't 2007, we have everything in place and should have a team and a manager that reflects our 2013 status.