Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

[bluemoonmatt]

Must be great being you -glass half empty :)

We haven't done well at Chelsea last 4 seasons - lost 3, drawn 1-

Mate its not an issue of how full my glass is, I cannot understand why so many blues are accepting such mediocrity. I don't expect us to win every game but the games we havn't won we really should. What happens if we lose against the teams above us like on sunday and this becomes a pattern. Im not looking at one game like Chelsea, I'm looking at the bigger picture.

Most of us realise that, with a new manager who is new to the premier league and who is trying to implement a new style of play, we are in a transition period. We may not win anything this year and I think the club expect this (although they obviously expect a top 4 finish).

I refuse to accept were in transition, we have what is universally accepted the best squad in the league, we have changed our manager but that is not what constitutes transition and even if it did, it is the desire of our owners who must have felt a new guy could get more from the group. The scum, now they ARE in transition not only have they changed manager like us but they're squad is, well lets be frank. Rooney and RVP apart, SHIT. Yet they are just two points behind us, this with us having beaten them, had we not then we could even be seeing them above us. No Im not utd obsessed I'm aware of how how close to us they are despite being a shit team and getting shit results. Not one week ago all the talk was about how long gollum has left, thankfully the press are more interested in them than us, but they are just two points behind having played Scouse Chelsea us and surprise package Soton.

~Has anyone actually asnwered my four key Pelle related questions yet

 

[OB1]

Everton, 3-1 at home.

West Ham, 3-1 away.

CSKA, 2-1 away (Real Madrid drew there 1-1 last season).

Plzen, 3-0 away.

Wigan, 5-0 at home.

All good and pleasing performances, unless you are expecting perfect 6-0 wins every week.

LC is spot on.

Many pleasing performances and results so far this season .

Ok out of my 3 games listed I'll give you the Plzen purely cos it was away and in a tournament we have had a bad time in and against my better judgement Everton purely cos theyre a bogey team. But the rest, cmon, we hardly made the world sit up and listen.

Lets cut to the brass tacks. The thread is discuss pellegrini so lets. Please answer me yes or no

1. Should MP have changed our clearly failing system v Bayern sooner
2. Is it unreasonable to expect at this stage, given our squad better than 7th
3. Should MP select Javi Garcia
4. Is 4 points from 5 away games given the opponents concerned, an acceptable return

For the record my answers are
1. Yes
2. No
3. No
4. No

Way to the load the dice! Questions 2 & 4 both covering the same point: we've not taken as many points on our travels as we should have done, which means we are lower in the league than we ought to be. Our points totlal does not reflect the overall quality of our performances and it is the job of the manager and players to change that for the better.

And, MP should select Garcia when he thinks it is justified. Javi is not responsible for the mistkes of Hart, Zab, Clichy and Nasty.

 

[OB1]

Mate its not an issue of how full my glass is, I cannot understand why so many blues are accepting such mediocrity. I don't expect us to win every game but the games we havn't won we really should. What happens if we lose against the teams above us like on sunday and this becomes a pattern. Im not looking at one game like Chelsea, I'm looking at the bigger picture.

Most of us realise that, with a new manager who is new to the premier league and who is trying to implement a new style of play, we are in a transition period. We may not win anything this year and I think the club expect this (although they obviously expect a top 4 finish).

I refuse to accept were in transition, we have what is universally accepted the best squad in the league, we have changed our manager but that is not what constitutes transition and even if it did, it is the desire of our owners who must have felt a new guy could get more from the group. The scum, now they ARE in transition not only have they changed manager like us but they're squad is, well lets be frank. Rooney and RVP apart, SHIT. Yet they are just two points behind us, this with us having beaten them, had we not then we could even be seeing them above us. No Im not utd obsessed I'm aware of how how close to us they are despite being a shit team and getting shit results. Not one week ago all the talk was about how long gollum has left, thankfully the press are more interested in them than us, but they are just two points behind having played Scouse Chelsea us and surprise package Soton.

~Has anyone actually asnwered my four key Pelle related questions yet

The four key questions are:

Are we still in title race?
Are we still in the Champions League?
Are we still in the League Cup?
Are we still in the FA cup?

 

[bluemoonmatt]

LC is spot on.

Many pleasing performances and results so far this season .

Ok out of my 3 games listed I'll give you the Plzen purely cos it was away and in a tournament we have had a bad time in and against my better judgement Everton purely cos theyre a bogey team. But the rest, cmon, we hardly made the world sit up and listen.

Lets cut to the brass tacks. The thread is discuss pellegrini so lets. Please answer me yes or no

1. Should MP have changed our clearly failing system v Bayern sooner
2. Is it unreasonable to expect at this stage, given our squad better than 7th
3. Should MP select Javi Garcia
4. Is 4 points from 5 away games given the opponents concerned, an acceptable return

For the record my answers are
1. Yes
2. No
3. No
4. No

Way to the load the dice! Questions 2 & 4 both covering the same point: we've not taken as many points on our travels as we should have done, which means we are lower in the league than we ought to be. Our points totlal does not reflect the overall quality of our performances and it is the job of the manager and players to change that for the better.

And, MP should select Garcia when he thinks it is justified. Javi is not responsible for the mistkes of Hart, Zab, Clichy and Nasty.

Ok so do you fancy taking each question individually and discussing it in more detail, then each won't be so loaded. You know, interestingly the one question you hav'nt touched on (1) is the thing that bothers me the most. a manager doesnt slice a shot wide or misjudge a long ball (Im talking to you Joe) but what he does do is decide a system. He got it wrong but it took him over 70 minutes to change it, I dont think Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Capello, Ferguson, Hiddink etc would. I wouldnt mind when he did change it we were suddenly competitive even before the red card<br /><br />-- Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:46 pm --<br /><br />

Most of us realise that, with a new manager who is new to the premier league and who is trying to implement a new style of play, we are in a transition period. We may not win anything this year and I think the club expect this (although they obviously expect a top 4 finish).

I refuse to accept were in transition, we have what is universally accepted the best squad in the league, we have changed our manager but that is not what constitutes transition and even if it did, it is the desire of our owners who must have felt a new guy could get more from the group. The scum, now they ARE in transition not only have they changed manager like us but they're squad is, well lets be frank. Rooney and RVP apart, SHIT. Yet they are just two points behind us, this with us having beaten them, had we not then we could even be seeing them above us. No Im not utd obsessed I'm aware of how how close to us they are despite being a shit team and getting shit results. Not one week ago all the talk was about how long gollum has left, thankfully the press are more interested in them than us, but they are just two points behind having played Scouse Chelsea us and surprise package Soton.

~Has anyone actually asnwered my four key Pelle related questions yet

The four key questions are:

Are we still in title race?
Are we still in the Champions League?
Are we still in the League Cup?
Are we still in the FA cup?

Just
Yes
Yes (not really played anyone)
Yes (not ACTUALLY played anyone)

Care to return the favour and answer mine properly

 

[OB1]

Ok out of my 3 games listed I'll give you the Plzen purely cos it was away and in a tournament we have had a bad time in and against my better judgement Everton purely cos theyre a bogey team. But the rest, cmon, we hardly made the world sit up and listen.

Lets cut to the brass tacks. The thread is discuss pellegrini so lets. Please answer me yes or no

1. Should MP have changed our clearly failing system v Bayern sooner
2. Is it unreasonable to expect at this stage, given our squad better than 7th
3. Should MP select Javi Garcia
4. Is 4 points from 5 away games given the opponents concerned, an acceptable return

For the record my answers are
1. Yes
2. No
3. No
4. No

Way to the load the dice! Questions 2 & 4 both covering the same point: we've not taken as many points on our travels as we should have done, which means we are lower in the league than we ought to be. Our points totlal does not reflect the overall quality of our performances and it is the job of the manager and players to change that for the better.

And, MP should select Garcia when he thinks it is justified. Javi is not responsible for the mistkes of Hart, Zab, Clichy and Nasty.

Ok so do you fancy taking each question individually and discussing it in more detail, then each won't be so loaded. You know, interestingly the one question you hav'nt touched on (1) is the thing that bothers me the most. a manager doesnt slice a shot wide or misjudge a long ball (Im talking to you Joe) but what he does do is decide a system. He got it wrong but it took him over 70 minutes to change it, I dont think Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Capello, Ferguson, Hiddink etc would. I wouldnt mind when he did change it we were suddenly competitive even before the red card

-- Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:46 pm --

I refuse to accept were in transition, we have what is universally accepted the best squad in the league, we have changed our manager but that is not what constitutes transition and even if it did, it is the desire of our owners who must have felt a new guy could get more from the group. The scum, now they ARE in transition not only have they changed manager like us but they're squad is, well lets be frank. Rooney and RVP apart, SHIT. Yet they are just two points behind us, this with us having beaten them, had we not then we could even be seeing them above us. No Im not utd obsessed I'm aware of how how close to us they are despite being a shit team and getting shit results. Not one week ago all the talk was about how long gollum has left, thankfully the press are more interested in them than us, but they are just two points behind having played Scouse Chelsea us and surprise package Soton.

~Has anyone actually asnwered my four key Pelle related questions yet

The four key questions are:

Are we still in title race?
Are we still in the Champions League?
Are we still in the League Cup?
Are we still in the FA cup?

Just
Yes
Yes (not really played anyone)
Yes (not ACTUALLY played anyone)

Care to return the favour and answer mine properly

I agreed with three of your answers to your questions but, if you read my posts on this thread, not your take on the situation.

 

[bluemoonmatt]

Way to the load the dice! Questions 2 & 4 both covering the same point: we've not taken as many points on our travels as we should have done, which means we are lower in the league than we ought to be. Our points totlal does not reflect the overall quality of our performances and it is the job of the manager and players to change that for the better.

And, MP should select Garcia when he thinks it is justified. Javi is not responsible for the mistkes of Hart, Zab, Clichy and Nasty.

Ok so do you fancy taking each question individually and discussing it in more detail, then each won't be so loaded. You know, interestingly the one question you hav'nt touched on (1) is the thing that bothers me the most. a manager doesnt slice a shot wide or misjudge a long ball (Im talking to you Joe) but what he does do is decide a system. He got it wrong but it took him over 70 minutes to change it, I dont think Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Capello, Ferguson, Hiddink etc would. I wouldnt mind when he did change it we were suddenly competitive even before the red card

-- Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:46 pm --

The four key questions are:

Are we still in title race?
Are we still in the Champions League?
Are we still in the League Cup?
Are we still in the FA cup?

Just
Yes
Yes (not really played anyone)
Yes (not ACTUALLY played anyone)

Care to return the favour and answer mine properly

I agreed with three of your answers to your questions but, if you read my posts on this thread, not your take on the situation.

Well fair enough, at least you've sought to engage sensibly (even if you are blatantly skirting the Bayern issue) Look if we were seventh having played ALL of RAGS, Arsenal Liverpool, EVERTON, STOKE CHELSEA and totteringham, then Id feel a bit more positive as it is though we played some poor teams struggling (Hammers, Stoke, Cardiff prime examples) anyway off for a wank now, gnight

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

5 out of the next 6 at home.

Back to back victories will put us in a decent postion in the league and

through to the last 16 in the Champions league.

Sunderland's luck cannot hold out this time and then bring on Spurs.

We are in a great postion to push on now.

Lets fuckin do it.

Agree with this. I think the table will be somewhat different after the next 4 games. Let's hope we can take advantage and really push on.

 

[George Hannah]

Whilst I fully accept it's only ever about results and if we are successful either in the league or the CL I will be proved utterly wrong and will be very happy. Nevertheless I maintain that the appointment of Pellegrini was a serious mistake. This has nothing to do with his predecessor, whose time had come to move on, it is simply that our manager acts like somebody holding the fort for somebody else, A safe choice but not a winning one. At this stage of our development we need to win, City is no country for old men.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

I cannot understand the level of complacency shown by many on here. Our defending is a cause for concern. We harp on the quality of our attacking play and seem to believe that this justifies and excuses basic and frequent failure to apply consistently elementary defensive strategies. It is true that we play some lovely stuff, we dominate possession and we COULD have won every one of our league games. But we didn't. We have attacking players who can conjure a goal out of nothing: unfortunately we have a defence, whatever the personnel, can also concede a goal out of nothing. It has cost us 9 points already, but, we are assured, we can all be confident that there are signs things are improving. That a few wins and we'll be "back" in the top 3. And so on. I saw no evidence of greater defensive cohesion against Chelsea, or at Newcastle for that matter. Chelsea took advantage of two pieces of bad defending, Cardiff of 3 and Newcastle of 0. Moscow took advantage of one, but fluffed a last minute sitter. In three cases this season we have lost games in which we played well going forward, games we should not have lost. Now we look at the table, sneer at Liverpool, and deride Arsenal because they've only one team from the top half. Unfortunately this doesn't mean they will inevitably lose to higher placed teams. And when we look at our away form it can be alarming. We have played five PL matches. We have lost to the only side from the top half. We have played also the teams in 17th,16th, 15th and 13th. Our sole victory has come from the side in 15th. We drew with the side in 17th because they fluffed a couple of great chances we presented to them. We lost to the sides in 13th and 16th - their only home victories and virtually their only home goals! Everton, Liverpool and Spurs won at Villa Park with embarrassing ease. Pellegrini might work the miracle and we may win the next however many matches - but we can't afford to lose more than 2 or 3 in the rest of the season, and there is no evidence that the defending will stop throwing games away. So far we have shown you can look ver good.....and lose. Not once, or twice, but three times in 5 matches. Defend like schoolboys and it won't stop.

 

[Marvin]

It's not complacency. Just don't see any fundamental weakness. It's just a question of getting a fit and settled back 4