Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 4)

[Blue life]

Just got home from St Mary's. Desperately disappointing stuff. Not as bad as last year, but not far off, as we again failed to cope with quick tenacious opponents pressing us high up the pitch. Sadly Pellegrini was every bit as culpable as Mancini with his formation. You cannot set up against half decent, mobile, opponents like Southampton with a 4 man midfield and especially not when one of them is a stroller like Toure. Bar an excellent opening 15 - 20 minute period, we were completely overrun in midfield, and worsted in every 50:50 tackle by a team who engineered space by the expedient means of sprinting at our unprotected back 4 again and again and again. I'm a Pellegrini fan, but he made the same mistake against Munich and took 45 minutes to rectify the same error against Swansea recently. When we play teams who favour a good passing game and opt for a 5 man midfield (or 4 plus a deep lying forward), we have to match them numerically, and especially on our travels. The only time we have done so however is away at Chelsea, which barring Hart's aberration, worked very effectively.
The hope that the Beast would give us an outlet sadly lacking last season when Dzeko repeatedly miscontrolled the ball straight back into Southampton hands, proved a vain one. He was barely in the game, lacked midfield support and it was no surprise when he was eventually hoicked.
Nasri and Aguero earned their corn, but Negredo, Ya Ya and Milner were all ineffective, when what we needed was big performances. All got deservedly taken off.
Very lucky to get a point

Well here we go!
Lets get rid off MP ams put you in charge ! Wow another fifa14 and computer manager! Jesus you need to come back to the real earth soon

 

[LoveCity]

the fact garcia is number 3 is down to the manager he wouldn't be my number 20 in a two man midfield tbh

Who should be the #3 then? Milner?

Our options:

1. Yaya
2. Fernandinho
3. Garcia
4. Rodwell
5. Milner

Garcia is mediocre, Rodwell is usually crocked (I think he has talent, but we have seldom had chance to see it), Milner seems to be getting very overrated on here because he grafts a lot but he'd be ineffective in games like today's in CM, just as he was on the right, because he lacks footballing intelligence and pace.

So I don't see how it's really down to the manager, who is hamstrung by a terrible lack of quality depth in the position.

A shame we don't have a top midfield prospect in the 19-21 year old bracket... maybe Huws would do OK. We tested Razak and he was pretty poor, hence sold.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Just got home from St Mary's. Desperately disappointing stuff. Not as bad as last year, but not far off, as we again failed to cope with quick tenacious opponents pressing us high up the pitch. Sadly Pellegrini was every bit as culpable as Mancini with his formation. You cannot set up against half decent, mobile, opponents like Southampton with a 4 man midfield and especially not when one of them is a stroller like Toure. Bar an excellent opening 15 - 20 minute period, we were completely overrun in midfield, and worsted in every 50:50 tackle by a team who engineered space by the expedient means of sprinting at our unprotected back 4 again and again and again. I'm a Pellegrini fan, but he made the same mistake against Munich and took 45 minutes to rectify the same error against Swansea recently. When we play teams who favour a good passing game and opt for a 5 man midfield (or 4 plus a deep lying forward), we have to match them numerically, and especially on our travels. The only time we have done so however is away at Chelsea, which barring Hart's aberration, worked very effectively.
The hope that the Beast would give us an outlet sadly lacking last season when Dzeko repeatedly miscontrolled the ball straight back into Southampton hands, proved a vain one. He was barely in the game, lacked midfield support and it was no surprise when he was eventually hoicked.
Nasri and Aguero earned their corn, but Negredo, Ya Ya and Milner were all ineffective, when what we needed was big performances. All got deservedly taken off.
Very lucky to get a point

Well here we go!
Lets get rid off MP ams put you in charge ! Wow another fifa14 and computer manager! Jesus you need to come back to the real earth soon

If you'd spent more than 5 minutes on this site you'd know that I'm a fairly staunch supporter of Pellegrini. Clearly then you haven't and you don't. Next clever dick please!

 

[waspish]

I'd play Zab in midfield before Garcia or even Milner! Pellegrini is just to ridged and set in his ways try something different for god sake

 

[Rammy Blue]

the fact garcia is number 3 is down to the manager he wouldn't be my number 20 in a two man midfield tbh

Who should be the #3 then? Milner?

Our options:

1. Yaya
2. Fernandinho
3. Garcia
4. Rodwell
5. Milner

Garcia is mediocre, Rodwell is usually crocked (I think he has talent, but we have seldom had chance to see it), Milner seems to be getting very overrated on here because he grafts a lot but he'd be ineffective in games like today's in CM, just as he was on the right, because he lacks footballing intelligence and pace.

So I don't see how it's really down to the manager, who is hamstrung by a terrible lack of quality depth in the position.

A shame we don't have a top midfield prospect in the 19-21 year old bracket... maybe Huws would do OK. We tested Razak and he was pretty poor, hence sold.

Demichelis could also be played in front of back 4. Once Nasty is back alongside Vince then Martin would be good option, being on bench and capable of fulfilling 2 different roles in side would be an added bonus.

 

[flb]

I'd play Zab in midfield before Garcia or even Milner! Pellegrini is just to ridged and set in his ways try something different for god sake

An extremely good shout, Zabba has played there many a time.


You have to question a managers psyche who keeps playing a player so fucking devoid of pace and who doesn't like a tackle in the engine room who specialises in sideways three yard passes.

We will not win nothing if he persists in playing Garcia against any team who load the midfield.

It's a worry that a manager of his experience can't see how useless he is in this league.

 

[hilts]

the fact garcia is number 3 is down to the manager he wouldn't be my number 20 in a two man midfield tbh

Who should be the #3 then? Milner?

Our options:

1. Yaya
2. Fernandinho
3. Garcia
4. Rodwell
5. Milner

Garcia is mediocre, Rodwell is usually crocked (I think he has talent, but we have seldom had chance to see it), Milner seems to be getting very overrated on here because he grafts a lot but he'd be ineffective in games like today's in CM, just as he was on the right, because he lacks footballing intelligence and pace.

So I don't see how it's really down to the manager, who is hamstrung by a terrible lack of quality depth in the position.

A shame we don't have a top midfield prospect in the 19-21 year old bracket... maybe Huws would do OK. We tested Razak and he was pretty poor, hence sold.

i would play milner or rodwell in cm over garcia, i think the problem lies with him not wanting a 3 man midfield, but buying a world class DM midfielder would mean him dropping toure or ferdy or switching to a 3 man midfield

it seems strange that the way to beat us is by pressing and we fold but no manager has thought about doing it to us at home, either they are thick as pig shit or more likely our players are "homers"

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Just got home from St Mary's. Desperately disappointing stuff. Not as bad as last year, but not far off, as we again failed to cope with quick tenacious opponents pressing us high up the pitch. Sadly Pellegrini was every bit as culpable as Mancini with his formation. You cannot set up against half decent, mobile, opponents like Southampton with a 4 man midfield and especially not when one of them is a stroller like Toure. Bar an excellent opening 15 - 20 minute period, we were completely overrun in midfield, and worsted in every 50:50 tackle by a team who engineered space by the expedient means of sprinting at our unprotected back 4 again and again and again. I'm a Pellegrini fan, but he made the same mistake against Munich and took 45 minutes to rectify the same error against Swansea recently. When we play teams who favour a good passing game and opt for a 5 man midfield (or 4 plus a deep lying forward), we have to match them numerically, and especially on our travels. The only time we have done so however is away at Chelsea, which barring Hart's aberration, worked very effectively.
The hope that the Beast would give us an outlet sadly lacking last season when Dzeko repeatedly miscontrolled the ball straight back into Southampton hands, proved a vain one. He was barely in the game, lacked midfield support and it was no surprise when he was eventually hoicked.
Nasri and Aguero earned their corn, but Negredo, Ya Ya and Milner were all ineffective, when what we needed was big performances. All got deservedly taken off.
Very lucky to get a point

Well here we go!
Lets get rid off MP ams put you in charge ! Wow another fifa14 and computer manager! Jesus you need to come back to the real earth soon

Haha. A classic bluemoon 'well why aren't you the manager then?' post. First of the season I think. Well done EB. Take it as a compliment mate, no matter where it comes from ;-)

 

[waspish]

the fact garcia is number 3 is down to the manager he wouldn't be my number 20 in a two man midfield tbh

Who should be the #3 then? Milner?

Our options:

1. Yaya
2. Fernandinho
3. Garcia
4. Rodwell
5. Milner

Garcia is mediocre, Rodwell is usually crocked (I think he has talent, but we have seldom had chance to see it), Milner seems to be getting very overrated on here because he grafts a lot but he'd be ineffective in games like today's in CM, just as he was on the right, because he lacks footballing intelligence and pace.

So I don't see how it's really down to the manager, who is hamstrung by a terrible lack of quality depth in the position.

A shame we don't have a top midfield prospect in the 19-21 year old bracket... maybe Huws would do OK. We tested Razak and he was pretty poor, hence sold.

i would play milner or rodwell in cm over garcia, i think the problem lies with him not wanting a 3 man midfield, but buying a world class DM midfielder would mean him dropping toure or ferdy or switching to a 3 man midfield

it seems strange that the way to beat us is by pressing and we fold but no manager has thought about doing it to us at home, either they are thick as pig shit or more likely our players are "homers"

When Southampton come to ours they will put us under the same pressure but we will get the same amount of chances but it seems at home our conversion rate is a Lot better

 

[hilts]

Who should be the #3 then? Milner?

Our options:

1. Yaya
2. Fernandinho
3. Garcia
4. Rodwell
5. Milner

Garcia is mediocre, Rodwell is usually crocked (I think he has talent, but we have seldom had chance to see it), Milner seems to be getting very overrated on here because he grafts a lot but he'd be ineffective in games like today's in CM, just as he was on the right, because he lacks footballing intelligence and pace.

So I don't see how it's really down to the manager, who is hamstrung by a terrible lack of quality depth in the position.

A shame we don't have a top midfield prospect in the 19-21 year old bracket... maybe Huws would do OK. We tested Razak and he was pretty poor, hence sold.

i would play milner or rodwell in cm over garcia, i think the problem lies with him not wanting a 3 man midfield, but buying a world class DM midfielder would mean him dropping toure or ferdy or switching to a 3 man midfield

it seems strange that the way to beat us is by pressing and we fold but no manager has thought about doing it to us at home, either they are thick as pig shit or more likely our players are "homers"

When Southampton come to ours they will put us under the same pressure but we will get the same amount of chances but it seems at home our conversion rate is a Lot better

And why would our conversion rate be better at home?

 

[waspish]

i would play milner or rodwell in cm over garcia, i think the problem lies with him not wanting a 3 man midfield, but buying a world class DM midfielder would mean him dropping toure or ferdy or switching to a 3 man midfield

it seems strange that the way to beat us is by pressing and we fold but no manager has thought about doing it to us at home, either they are thick as pig shit or more likely our players are "homers"

When Southampton come to ours they will put us under the same pressure but we will get the same amount of chances but it seems at home our conversion rate is a Lot better

And why would our conversion rate be better at home?

We at home? Mentality and the crowd?

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I'm no fan of Garcia but I can see why he was brought on today and I thought it was the right move. He became the extra man in midfield and for all his lack of mobility, he finds a blue shirt the majority of times and that's where we were going wrong.

We kept giving them the fucking ball, allowing them to play in our half. Practically all of them were culpable; some more than others of course. Whenever we did get a passing move together we looked like we would score, and we missed some gilt edges chances.

The passing was shocking today. I agreed with the 4222 start today bit because we were playing so badly it needed changing, and could jave been done early. What was odd was the introduction of dzeko who on current form you can guarantee will lose us possession, and took us back to. 2 up top.

But overall, rather than playing well and getting nothing as we were in the autumn; we played poorly and got something. Overall Southampton didn't threaten us that much and more or less ran out of steam apart from set pieces. I thought a draw was about right overall.

Poor performance from too many players but nothing to worry about. We are still on track.

 

[hilts]

When Southampton come to ours they will put us under the same pressure but we will get the same amount of chances but it seems at home our conversion rate is a Lot better

And why would our conversion rate be better at home?

We at home? Mentality and the crowd?

I think the whole thing is mentality, it was last year as well, we look for all sorts of tactical reasons and this is natural but if at home you have a perfect record and away it is relegation material the fault has to lie with the players mentality, simple as, you will nearly always get more points at home but the difference between the two shouldn't be so stark.

Last year everyone was saying we have no plan B when teams park the bus but they were parking the bus at home all season and we did fine

I have said before the problem is this manager and the previous one probably have no idea why this happens

How many times have we seen over the years teams can't win away from home then bingo it happens and then they struggle at home, do our players want it enough that they are willing to put that effort in 90% of the time both home and away?

 

[lastmanback]

Home or away teams who press us high and keep possession have troubled us. Next match v arsenal will be classic example. If pelle sticks with our usual home formation, arsenal will punish Us.

 

[Anonymous]

Home or away teams who press us high and keep possession have troubled us. Next match v arsenal will be classic example. If pelle sticks with our usual home formation, arsenal will punish Us.

It's going to be an interesting call - but history tells us it's going to be 442 with Negredo/Kun up top. Not really sure you can argue against it at home with the way our current home form is.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

Home or away teams who press us high and keep possession have troubled us. Next match v arsenal will be classic example. If pelle sticks with our usual home formation, arsenal will punish Us.

It's going to be an interesting call - but history tells us it's going to be 442 with Negredo/Kun up top. Not really sure you can argue against it at home with the way our current home form is.

And I honestly believe it will be us who are doing the punishing.

 

[waspish]

Home or away teams who press us high and keep possession have troubled us. Next match v arsenal will be classic example. If pelle sticks with our usual home formation, arsenal will punish Us.

Be similar to the spurs game Arsenal will have the majority of the possession but Every time we attacked we will score ;)

 

[NQCitizen]

Home or away teams who press us high and keep possession have troubled us. Next match v arsenal will be classic example. If pelle sticks with our usual home formation, arsenal will punish Us.

It's going to be an interesting call - but history tells us it's going to be 442 with Negredo/Kun up top. Not really sure you can argue against it at home with the way our current home form is.

Arsenal are on an amazing run. The closest comparison in terms of teams we've faced is Bayern. Three fluid AMs of Ozil, Ramsey and Cazorla or Wilshere could easily tear us apart.

We've lost points to Pellegrini underestimating the opposition already this season, I hope he isn't as blase about the leaders as many on this forum.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

Home or away teams who press us high and keep possession have troubled us. Next match v arsenal will be classic example. If pelle sticks with our usual home formation, arsenal will punish Us.

It's going to be an interesting call - but history tells us it's going to be 442 with Negredo/Kun up top. Not really sure you can argue against it at home with the way our current home form is.

Arsenal are on an amazing run. The closest comparison in terms of teams we've faced is Bayern. Three fluid AMs of Ozil, Ramsey and Cazorla or Wilshere could easily tear us apart.

We've lost points to Pellegrini underestimating the opposition already this season, I hope he isn't as blase about the leaders as many on this forum.

Not at home we haven't. How do you know Pelle is underestimating opponents.

 

[simon23]

I understsnd the arguement that pellers maybe short of a couple of players he needs to play the way he wanrs to (after all the pkayers we have were mostly bought to play the way rm wanted to play; and it was successful)

Surely we should at times revert to a style hat we know the pkayers can play in until the manager has the players (esp in the miffield) to play the way he wants??????