Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 4)

[Anonymous]

They did not create a lot of chances.

I tend to think we created better chances than they did. Most of their so called chances were lucky bounces of a second ball after a clash between two/three players. Their real moment of magic they scored from. Otherwise defensively we were relatively comfortable no matter how much of the ball they had.

 

[Bill]

*whisltles*

 

[jay_mcfc]

We have to go back to 4-2-3-1, the 4-4-2 isn't working. We are overrun by teams that pack the midfield and have no answer to it. We can play 4-2-3-1 a couple of different ways. Aguero can be the lone striker of if Negredo plays then Aguero can sit behind him in a Rooney kind of role or he can go wide left and let Nasri/Silva/Yaya play in the hole. If Yaya plays in the hole let Milner play alongside Fernandinho. Milner wasn't playing well yesterday but I didn't understand the way he made the subs. He should have brought Navas on for Negredo and put Milner in the middle. There was no need for Garcia to come on because on immobility in the middle remains the same.

 

[Marvin]

They did not create a lot of chances.

I tend to think we created better chances than they did. Most of their so called chances were lucky bounces of a second ball after a clash between two/three players. Their real moment of magic they scored from. Otherwise defensively we were relatively comfortable no matter how much of the ball they had.

Was a bit typical of our luck away from home that Southampton scored their individual goal of the season. What can you do about that.

However Kompany's return coincided (and probably caused) with a solid defensive display, and that's the cornerstone for winning games away. Mourinho and Chelsea would kill for that. They've just conceded 6 in 2 games at Sunderland and Stoke

 

[Rammy Blue]

Personally, cutting through all the crap, I think it is no more simple than we need to be playing 4-2-3-1 away from home. Nothing more, nothing less. Otherwise our indifferent form on our travels will continue.

We need to be controlling possession and dictating the game and without the extra body in the middle it will never happen.

There is no point referencing Yaya's lack of mobility as we all know this anyway so surely MP should be realising he has to alter tactics.

It's certainly frustrating, and slightly worrying as it seems so unnecessary - playing in 4 lines (same as we've done previously and Arsenal do at the moment) just makes it so much easier to control the game.

Yes ... my tits are definitely becoming irritated by the persistence with 442. With everyone now coming back to full fitness I'd like to see the manager be a little more circumspect in certain circumstances.

Having said that, I'm not convinced he will in the PL and even if he doesn't the league is still there to be won. We will still be imperious at home and we'll still beat most teams away.

I dunno ... maybe hgblue's assertion that I've got my head buried is true without me knowing it because really from where I'm sat nothing's changed since yesterday. We are still the best team in the league IMO and we're still best equipped and best placed to win it. Even taking into consideration Arsenal's lead.

TBH mate, I do think your head is ever so slightly buried in the sand.

We are, without a shadow of doubt, the best side in the Prem however we will continue to drop unnecessary points on our travels unless he changes tactics away from home.

 

[jay_mcfc]

They did not create a lot of chances.

I tend to think we created better chances than they did. Most of their so called chances were lucky bounces of a second ball after a clash between two/three players. Their real moment of magic they scored from. Otherwise defensively we were relatively comfortable no matter how much of the ball they had.

Was a bit typical of our luck away from home that Southampton scored their individual goal of the season. What can you do about that.

However Kompany's return coincided (and probably caused) with a solid defensive display, and that's the cornerstone for winning games away. Mourinho and Chelsea would kill for that. They've just conceded 6 in 2 games at Sunderland and Stoke

Let's not go overboard. It was a Southampton team missing a few players and Kompany didn't have the best of games, nor did Demichellis or Zabaleta. They didn't cut us open but they had enough of the ball in the right areas to win the game. Yes we missed a few chances but I'm not going to take that performance as some kind of victory. It was a hard earned point at a fairly difficult place to go whilst not playing at our best. Still not nearly good enough though when you look at the contrast to our home form.

 

[jollylescott]

Personally, cutting through all the crap, I think it is no more simple than we need to be playing 4-2-3-1 away from home. Nothing more, nothing less. Otherwise our indifferent form on our travels will continue.

We need to be controlling possession and dictating the game and without the extra body in the middle it will never happen.

There is no point referencing Yaya's lack of mobility as we all know this anyway so surely MP should be realising he has to alter tactics.

It's certainly frustrating, and slightly worrying as it seems so unnecessary - playing in 4 lines (same as we've done previously and Arsenal do at the moment) just makes it so much easier to control the game.

I agree. I keep on casting my mind back to the Chelsea game where we played a front 3 of Silva, Nasri and Kun, with Garcia as the extra body occupying the middle. From what I recall that system worked well, putting aside the calamitous ending.

I think it's a matter of MP being more pragmatic depending on who we play. I would have liked the extra midfielder against Southampton. To me Rodwell has more potential to fill the requirements for this role more than Garcia. However he wasn't even in the squad for the game, and he does strike me as lacking self-confidence when he does get on the pitch.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

I can vouch for the credentials of Exeter Blue being behind Pellegrini without any hesitation. And he most certainly is not seeking attention.
For him to write what he has speaks volumes to be fair.

Thank you.

I think our problem away from home stems from trying to impose a game plan that we don't have the personnel for against certain teams (Southampton, Liverpool, Everton, Swansea etc). If you're gonna set yourselves up to press you need players who are mobile, quick and technically adroit enough to make it work, and ditto when the opposition tries it on you. Ya Ya, magnificent player though he is, just isn't built for shuttle running, and Milner, though fit as a butcher's dog, is very one paced. Chuck Kolarov and Di Michelis into the mix, and we were little better off yesterday than we were last season when Barry, Garcia, Lescott and Dzeko wilted in the face of the same onslaught. The player I felt sorry for yesterday was Fernandinho, who resembled the boy with his fingers in the dike.

Contrast with Lallana and Shaw, both of whom I'd happily buy like a shot, who had the pace, skill and athleticism to go past our players like they weren't there.

I suspect Pellegrini will want to make changes next summer. My hope, with away trips to Goodison, Klanfield, WHL, Swansea and the Emirates still to come, is that we will gather enough points at home to ensure CL qualification in the meantime

Strange conclusions. We beat Swansea, and Everton and were comfortable at Southampton (maybe we struggled after a good opening to create but so did they, and that's a tough a place to go). We will be challenging Arsenal, and are improving

You clearly weren't there yesterday if you think we were comfortable! I mentioned Swansea and Everton as they are teams who will press you, and grounds where we have struggled in the recent past. I don't expect this season will be any different, irrespective of whether we beat them at our place

 

[moomba]

If we play the Chelsea formation in the tougher games away, I think the results will improve and we're still more than capable of playing attractive football.

I wasnt too downhearted after that game as I thought we'd showed a bit of flexibility and pragmatism.

Its a pretty obvious solution for me, I'd actually play it against Arsenal next week.

 

[OB1]

Well we do. Gareth Barry. And yes I am aware that Gaz had his own nightmare last season at Southampton but he is still a better option than Garcia. That Pellers doesn't have the Barry option is down to Txiki but irrespective of who moved Barry on and why I do think Barry on the bench to steady the ship when needed would have been advantageous this season.

I agree, but I can't help but suspect that Barry is at Everton because he wanted to play regular first team football in a World Cup year, not be a specialist on our bench who is deployed when we have a need. Fernandinho was brought in to take the vast majority of Barry's minutes, so I think we did the player a favor and loaned him to Everton. I see no reason to think we shipped him out because we didn't rate him, I just think he would have been unhappy in the role we had left for him.

Yes without doubt but I also reckon it was more finance driven, we are trying to reduce the losses to meet this FFP crap.

Bit of both.<br /><br />-- Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:41 am --<br /><br />

Well here we go!
Lets get rid off MP ams put you in charge ! Wow another fifa14 and computer manager! Jesus you need to come back to the real earth soon

If you'd spent more than 5 minutes on this site you'd know that I'm a fairly staunch supporter of Pellegrini. Clearly then you haven't and you don't. Next clever dick please!

Opinions are like arseeholes, we all have one

In my opinion then if you are behind MP your seeking attention. you are quite clearly a nervous wreck

Ha, ha, ha. He is a worrier.