Discuss Pellegrini

[Danamy]

Nonetheless, I'm not sure it's viable for Pellegrini to just say "go and mark like Mancini taught you to!". For multiple reasons, his ego surely amongst them, but probably primarily because he may not be able to teach it. A presumption built into the possibility that this is simpler is that Pellegrini's version of a zonal system is different from Mancini's. I cannot say for sure, but I would seriously doubt that every manager implements the same exact zonal marking setup, especially since most of these "systems" are hybridized man and zone concepts.

It remains to be seen whether we will mark zonally or man to man in the future. The truth of the matter is, I think we severely underestimate how much luck has to play in the outcomes of these free kicks and corners. As a result, we'll point to correlations like the introduction of a zonal system coinciding with a decrease in goals, while not properly contextualizing the relatively small sample sizes at play. It is imperative to realize that a correlation is not a causality, that any momentary increase or decrease is likely to be informed by luck as much as anything else. In all systems, players run free or find gaps with a certain level of frequency. It is the job of the manager and team to try to minimize this from happening, but it probably takes an obscene number of corners to remove the luck factor or whether or not the ball delivery coincides with the free runner, whether the header hits the bar or is misdirected, whether the keeper happens to get in the path...etc. There are so many factors on your typical set piece that could go wrong or right that analyzing this stuff is extremely hard. Where we as fans go wrong is when we focus on the results over short periods of time, which are likely to be highly variable. If our stats team is looking at anything, I'd be expecting them to count "opportunities" more than goals conceded. To try to see which system results in the fewest free headers and free runners available, disregarding whether they were successfully exploited or not. This kind of data just isn't going to be available to us as fans who are emotionally watching and all too consumed by the outcomes.

Another cracking post mate. I would've just gone with "Zaba losing his man twice doesn't constitute a shambolic defensive system" - but I like the meat you put on the bones for me!

Your point is equally effective, and I'd add that there isn't a system on the planet that doesn't require your keeper to claim a ball inside his 6 yard box.

It was something that i was just going to bring up about the keeper, whatever system is played the keeper should come for the ball within his 6 yard, Hart clearly didn't, is that the systems fault?

 

[BobKowalski]

Good points. I suspect you're right. This highlights the need to bring in another CB as well.

Personally it sounds more like trying to justify something after the event. Surely the logical thing to do is stick with the system you know when playing a makeshift back line - especially as 3 out of the 4 have had several years of playing it and even Garcia would have had some experience of our system in the last 12 months. To change it in a fundamental way as a means of helping? Yeah okay that'll work. Oh wait.

Still if you find consolation in this thinking then knock yourselves out...

I'll never understand why people have to feel so right on a topic that an alternative idea can't even be contemplated. We both know fuck all as to why we're marking man today and zonal before. It's a plausible reason, I have no idea why you feel a need to denigrate anyone who might not subscribe to your ideas.

Probably because its fun. And to be fair it was an incredibly dumb observation. First off zonal marking is meant to be easier; we have been doing it for years with a reasonable degree of success and we had a makeshift CB so obviously the logical thing to do (not) was change the system and make things more difficult for ourselves.

My choices then were your reasoning is flawed or Pellegrini is a babbling idiot or worse, Mark Hughes. Out of these choices I went for 'your reasoning is flawed' as the others were just too hideous to contemplate.

As to the rest of your post in essence you are correct. We are not privy to the data nor the long term or short term thinking behind the move or whether it is temporary or permanent or even if in the long run it proves to be more beneficial although since the starting point is 'best defensive record in the PL' you are going to have to go some to be more beneficial but that's not to say we shouldn't always be looking to do things better.

Have a biscuit and a cup of tea and lets all be friends #holistic #kumbaya

 

[luna]

Pellegrini seems to be less popular among City fans after two games than he was among real madrid fans by the end of the season, when he was sacked. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.marca.com/marca/debate/2010/03/822/prevotaciones822.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.marca.com/marca/debate/2010/ ... es822.html</a>
( and they are a demanding bunch that had AS and MARCA tv, radio, web and the printed version telling them how shit Pellegrini was all season long) <a class="postlink" href="http://www.ferplei.com/2010/05/las-15-portadas-de-marca-que-han-marcado-a-pellegrini/pellegrini_destacado9/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ferplei.com/2010/05/las-15-p ... estacado9/</a> <a class="postlink" href="http://www.fulltimedeportes.com/2013/05/los-de-marca-unos-sinverguenza.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.fulltimedeportes.com/2013/05 ... uenza.html</a>

Patience ,people, patience, keep supporting your team and maybe give your new manager a chance.

Besides, City can always rehire Mancini, i think he will be available anyway ;)

 

[cleavers]

Pellegrini seems to be less popular among City fans after two games than he was among real madrid fans by the end of the season, when he was sacked.)

No he isn't, nothing like it. A few comments on this thread are not what you need to judge City fans by.

 

[moomba]

Anyone that is judging Pellegrini after two matches isnt worth worrying about. For me, the desperation to blame the manager for poor performances excuses the fact that the same players are making the same errors in the way they approach the game.

 

[andyhinch]

Anyone that is judging Pellegrini after two matches isnt worth worrying about. For me, the desperation to blame the manager for poor performances excuses the fact that the same players are making the same errors in the way they approach the game.

Tbh, this thread seems a bit pointless to me, it's going to be 6 months minimum before we get a true feel, don't mind some wild speculation and point scoring/defending of old positions mind, as someone once sang, that's entertainment:)

 

[grim up north]

Pellegrini seems to be less popular among City fans after two games than he was among real madrid fans by the end of the season, when he was sacked.)

No he isn't, nothing like it. A few comments on this thread are not what you need to judge City fans by.

I would suggest bluemoon never has and never will represent the general consensus of what the majority of City fans think

 

[LookIfoundmyKnob]

Pellegrini seems to be less popular among City fans after two games than he was among real madrid fans by the end of the season, when he was sacked.)

No he isn't, nothing like it. A few comments on this thread are not what you need to judge City fans by.

I would suggest bluemoon never has and never represent the general consensus of what the majority of City fans think

I agree with the above quote.

A lot of 'fringe' fans in the sense of their opinions which makes for some interesting threads.

 

[Phil1]

Pellegrini seems to be less popular among City fans after two games than he was among real madrid fans by the end of the season, when he was sacked.)

No he isn't, nothing like it. A few comments on this thread are not what you need to judge City fans by.

I would suggest bluemoon never has and never represent the general consensus of what the majority of City fans think

You would be correct - thankfully!

 

[Ducado]

Pellegrini seems to be less popular among City fans after two games than he was among real madrid fans by the end of the season, when he was sacked.)

No he isn't, nothing like it. A few comments on this thread are not what you need to judge City fans by.

I would suggest bluemoon never has and never will represent the general consensus of what the majority of City fans think

Hmmm, what people type whilst sat behind a keyboard is often quite different to what they would say if they were in a group, I think on the whole we have a good cross section of opinions, it stands to reason that at a game with 47,000 people and millions watching on TV, you will get many different opinions